Stephen Stills - Love The One You’re With
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Topic: Stephen Stills - Love The One You’re With
Posted By: davidclark
Subject: Stephen Stills - Love The One You’re With
Date Posted: 27 August 2013 at 11:13pm
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Over on the BSN board there is mention of the new Carry On box containing
the single mix of this track? Anyone heard it and can comment? Database does not indicate any info for existing entries. ------------- dc1 |
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Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 28 August 2013 at 4:16am
| I was never able to determine any real difference between the stereo LP/DJ single stereo side, and the mono single. Soundeds to me like the stock single is simply a fold down, or was run through a CSG processor using the the mono output. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 28 August 2013 at 2:30pm
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Bill,
When i saw David's post i was curious about this one, since most of the CSN singles sound about the same to me in stereo or mono..but i never compared this one before. I had an mp3 45 dub tucked away, so last night i compared them, with the stereo mix folded to mono. I did indeed hear some mixing differences..minor things here and there, but enough to show they are aren't exactly the same. A few things i noticed are: -The percussion/bongos are turned up a little louder in the mono mix, with the acoustic guitars a little lower - this is reversed in the stereo. -His lead vocal has slightly more reverb in the mono mix, and is mixed a bit louder. -Near the end, when he sings little ad-libs, his vocal is right up front in the mono, and his last bit right before the "doo-doo-doot" ending, is a loud and clear "Alllll- right" ... but in the stereo mix his vocal is lower, and they turned down his final ad-lid in the stereo so you don't here him finish that part, you just hear "All...." then nothing more. I haven't synchronized them, so there could other little things but those things were enough for me to deem it a dedicated mono mix. Hope that helps! MM |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 28 August 2013 at 6:18pm
I never had a 45 of this song, but based on the 45 version found on the "Carry On" box set, there are indeed subtle differences between the 45 and LP if you listen closely. The reverb was the most noticeable difference to me, particularly on the verse after the first chorus. I think that's probably enough to qualify this one for a 45 version/LP version distinction. |
MMathews wrote:Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 28 August 2013 at 8:03pm
| I noted the difference in reverb but I don't hear anything in one that's not in the other, the "version" designation usually goes to something that's more significantly different, but I'll let others judge whether or not it should be noted. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 29 August 2013 at 6:46pm
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Just to correct a minor error in my above comparison, the
words at the ending are not "all-right" as i noted, but are "Aw, YEAH" - it the word "yeah" that is clear on the 45 but in the LP version it is missing. I synchronized the 45 with the LP today, and other small differences popped out, such as at about 1:30 when they repeat the title, the organ is potted up in the LP, but is missing from that spot in the 45. Hey and guess what? Today i compared the alternate mix released on the album "Replay". It is stereo, but if you fold it to mono, it is in fact identical to the 45 mix.. every element, right down to the reverb in the vocal. Go figga. MM |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 29 August 2013 at 7:38pm
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Then I may have to take back my comments as I have always compared the stereo and mono versions to the stereo mix on the DJ side.
I wonder now if the DJ stereo mix does not match the original stereo LP mix. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 29 August 2013 at 11:38pm
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You may be on to something there, Bill.
I'd find it an extraordinary coincidence that they remixed the song in 1980 for "Replay" and it happened to come out identical to the single mix. Sounds to me like they just pulled the stereo single master and included it. Bill, if you want to confirm this for the stereo side, just listen for the word "yeah" at 2:53. If it is audible, then it is indeed a stereo single mix. MM |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 30 August 2013 at 12:29am
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Thanks guys. Amazing just how many differences there are and when
pointed out (courtesy Markie) they do indeed stand out. But all these years hearing the LP mix I guess most of us "forgot" the 45 mix. Since this was at the time Atlantic and other companies were switching over to stereo commercial 45s, perhaps the song was considered for stereo single release and a mix was done (which showed up on the promo) but they opted for mono on the commercial 45, and, it being a fold-down of the stereo promo side. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 31 August 2013 at 11:59am
| Confirmed, the "yeah" is clearly audible on the stereo DJ side, just like the mono. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 01 September 2013 at 5:32pm
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I just checked it out on iTunes, and it sounds very
different from the album stereo mix to me. It's unmistakable! Thanks David and Mark! ------------- |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 01 September 2013 at 8:01pm
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and thanks Bill for confirming the DJ single!
The only thing to know about the "Replay" album copy is that is it pitched much faster than the 45, 3:02 vs. 3:06 for the single, so all one needs do is slow it down and then it matches perfectly. MM |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 02 September 2013 at 8:35pm
If you buy it from iTunes or 7 Digital, the pitch matches the song on Stephen Stills' first album on CD. So, the question is: was the 45 slowed down? ------------- |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 02 September 2013 at 10:37pm
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Might be a good idea to double check the speed, my
reference dub runs 3:06 for the mono commercial 45. Perhaps Ed or someone could time theirs to confirm it. |
Posted By: Scott Young
Date Posted: 02 September 2013 at 11:49pm
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I don't think anyone's pointed this tidbit out yet, but the
"Replay" version I just downloaded from iTunes starts with the third note, reference to the "Stephen Stills" LP version. Sounds quite odd after all these years of hearing the song with first two notes of acoustic guitar. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 03 September 2013 at 7:03am
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good ears, Scott. I never noticed that until I a/b'd them after I read your
post. Now, I can't help but notice it is missing in the Replay version. Question then, do the commercial / promo 45s also omit the first two (very quick) guitar strums? ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 03 September 2013 at 11:58am
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I noticed the late start too. The 45 dub i have starts
the same way. It was yet another clue to me it was the same tape as the 45. MM |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 29 May 2017 at 3:19pm
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i just timed my commercial 45 issued as atlantic 1778 and
it runs 3:04... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 30 January 2019 at 7:55pm
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I can name only one solo song by Stephen Stills, but I regard it more highly than I do any of the David Crosby or Graham Nash solo records. Back in the '90s, I even got to see the Neville Brothers perform this song as an encore.
I have the song on 11 CDs, and I can trace all 11 masterings back to just two different analog transfers. The first is on Atlantic's Hit Singles 1958-1977 (1988), where it sounds fine. After the first two quickie intro guitar strums, the acoustic guitar comes in panned to the right. The same analog transfer is used on:
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Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 31 January 2019 at 7:55am
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Stock 45 RPM singles of this are not Stereo, they are
mono. Even the Atlantic Oldies Series are still mono. Even to the last label variant. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 31 January 2019 at 9:32am
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Ron, are the CDs that cut off the quickie guitar strums the stereo DJ 45
mix, as noted above? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 31 January 2019 at 10:41am
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According to the database, the stereo 45 version only
appears on one CD. Everything else is the LP version. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 31 January 2019 at 10:47am
I haven't heard the commercial 45 or promo 45 versions, but I really doubt it. The two versions I listed above track really closely with the others, and I couldn't hear any differences. I'm 99% sure it's a mastering error, likely originating on the JCI disc. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 31 January 2019 at 11:41am
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Good deal. Thanks, Ron! Another great post tracing the mastering
history! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 31 January 2019 at 9:19pm
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Thanks to John G, I'm now 100% certain that the JCI and Simitar discs have a mastering error that cuts off the opening two guitar strums. They're the LP mix otherwise. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |