jimmy dean big bad john
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Topic: jimmy dean big bad john
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: jimmy dean big bad john
Date Posted: 22 October 2013 at 5:11pm
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so, do any of the 'big big man' versions match the vinyl 45
version, or are they all the same??.....also...the vinyl 45 actually runs 2:58....it does not have a listed running time... ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 07 November 2013 at 9:29am
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Big, Big man is second pressing onward. "Hell Of A Man" was
first pressings only. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Robert
Date Posted: 07 November 2013 at 12:40pm
| Most of the versions out there today have a slow, more distinct delivery of "Big Big Man" ending. My Columbia promo is not as slow and deliberate/expressive. I don't have a commercial copy so I can't say if they're the same, but the promo is definitely different and is the one I remember hearing in '61. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 23 September 2017 at 4:04am
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On Youtube, there are three videos claiming to be the vinyl 45. All are the
same “big big man” version, i.e., the 2nd 45, but they are NOT the same as my stereo version, which is the slower, drawn-out version (from his “Greatest Hits” CD). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLe8Cbfs_CQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-svGA7dBw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSeqqI4xQMc So, seems the 2nd 45 (1st “Big Big Man” version) might be missing on CD? Pat, are any of the CDs with stereo “Big Big Man” versions listed actually this 2nd 45 or are they all the different vocal take? The question begs then, when did this drawn-out "big big man" version first appear? In the CD era or prior? Perhaps on the 1966 vinyl LP “Greatest Hits”? Any one have that? ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 24 September 2017 at 2:43pm
| To my knowledge, none of the stereo versions of Big Bad John contain the correct 45 version of this song with the "big big man" line. I guess I should indicate "with alternate big big man" line in the database. Where the alternate big big man line originated I do not know. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 30 September 2017 at 7:26pm
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The "Big, Big, Man" line was re-recorded shortly after the
original 45 was released, some stations were very antsy about "One Hell Of A Man" being aired. So, Columbia got Jimmy Dean to re-record the last line shortly after the original 45 release, in the Owen Bradley Quonset Hut, in Nashville, TN and like the original, Glenn Snoddy at the controls. The song became a hit, and later matrices contained "Big, Big, Man" on the 45 RPM mono single. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 03 October 2017 at 4:52am
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KentT,
You're right, Columbia got him to re-record that "hell-uv-a-man" bit. My query, still unresolved, is when did the SECOND recording of the "big big man" lyric first appear? ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 03 October 2017 at 7:41pm
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That's a good question. Columbia apparently wasn't happy
with the first "Big, Big Man" recording, and apparently Don Law and Frank Jones had it re-recorded again. Wish I knew someone at Sony Nashville (the old guard I knew are all retired or died off) ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 12 April 2020 at 2:50pm
------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Robert wrote:Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 03 February 2022 at 8:31pm
So let me understand this for this song: 1) There exists a Mono 45 1st pressing that has the "Hell of A Man Lyric" 2) There exists a Mono 45 2nd pressing that has the "Big Big Man Lyric" 3) The only correct Stereo version is from Eric Records that matches the 2nd pressing 45 exactly. Has the 2nd pressing Mono 45 ever made CD? If not, can the Eric Records one be folded down since it is the correct 45 version? Pat's database shows that every other version in stereo is incorrect and has an alternate line. ------------- "I'm a pop archivist, not a chart philosopher, I seek to listen, observe and document the chart position of music." |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 04 February 2022 at 10:21am
And at 2.5, is there a 3rd pressing with a slower and more deliberate "Big, Big Man" lyric. I have heard all these versions though I'm a bit foggy on the second pressing that has the first incantation of Big, Big Man. I have a lot of country around here, and with all the dag-gummit snow we have keeping me housebound; I'm going to start looking. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 15 October 2023 at 9:37am
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Does anyone know what version of the song was
used on the song's parent LP, "Big Bad John And Other Fabulous Songs And Tales"? ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: CountryPD
Date Posted: 16 October 2023 at 10:03am
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In Jimmy Dean's 2004 autobiography he states that shortly after
the original Big Bad John single had been released Columbia felt that the "one hell of a man" lyric was too "risqué." So they had Dean re-record the substitute "big big man" line in New York City. However in his book Dean did not explain why there are two different readings of the big big man line - apparently one for the mono 45 and a different one for the stereo album version. According to posts on the 45cat site the original single release with the "one hell of a man lyric" had the title Big John. When the line was amended to "big big man" so too the title changed to Big Bad John. See the label scans https://www.45cat.com/record/442175 - HERE I do not have the original vinyl "Big Bad John..." LP but every STEREO version of "Big Bad John" I've every heard had the drawn out "big big man" delivery. In the CD era the "one hell of a man" and faster "big, big-man" lyrics from the 45's have been edited into the original STEREO version. For the record, courtesy of the 45Prof here's a clean vinyl transfer of the 1961 mono single with the revised big big man lyric https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN7YHC8xKn0 - Listen HERE |
Posted By: CountryPD
Date Posted: 16 October 2023 at 10:14am
Here's a YouTube rip from the original MONO LP. that has the drawn out "big big man" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlwkHp86adM In most cases the YouTube posts by Legacy are the same as their download files. Here's the post for Big Bad John from the CD re-release of the 1961 stereo album with updated cover graphics. This one also has the drawn out "big big man." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ukE3jwmOcA |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 16 October 2023 at 9:09pm
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Glad you posted those links, CountryPD. This song has confused me as to
the two different "big BIG man" versions vis-a-vis when each was first issued. I'll label them the "long drawn out/slower" version vs. the "big BIG man/faster" version, following your identifying them. It's understood that initial copies of the 45 contained the "one hell of a man" lyric. What I didn't know until I went to 45cat, was that they were titled "Big John". Due to the "offensive" line, Dean re-recorded it as "big BIG man" - the "big BIG man/faster" version - and most copies thereafter were titled "Big Bad John". From that YouTube post of the original LP, seems it has the 2nd re-recorded line, the "long drawn out/slower" version, it appearing on both the mono and stereo issue of the "Big Bad John And Other Fabulous Songs And Tales" LP. It's THIS (stereo) version that has become the common version - it was also issued on 1966 LP "Jimmy Dean's Greatest Hits", and it permeated from there. I just wonder if any of the LPs (the mono ones) contained that 2nd 45 "big BIG man/faster" version! ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: CountryPD
Date Posted: 17 October 2023 at 5:44am
Found this on YouTube. Discogs lists this as a 1963 release. Columbia various artists compilation Great Country And Western Hits Vol. 4 CL 2081 This MONO LP has the "faster" version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssJWEdD1elU That album was also issued in STEREO. Wonder what version of Big Bad John is on that? See all versions here: https://www.discogs.com/master/694503-Various-Greatest- Country-And-Western-Hits-No-4 Also - I played the Big Bad John https://www.45cat.com/record/433051 - Columbia Hall Of Fame 45 on the radio back in the 70's. Seems to me that MONO 45 had the slower/drawn out big big man version. I do not have a copy of that release. Perhaps someone could verify that or prove me wrong. Unfortunately there's no post of that 45 on YouTube. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 17 October 2023 at 6:58am
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I'm having trouble determining if this is
just a sped up copy of a previously known version or if this foreign 78 has yet another reading of the Big Big Man lyric. https://youtu.be/TipJK9Tq1IE - Big Bad 78 ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: CountryPD
Date Posted: 18 October 2023 at 10:34am
Tom- this sounds to me like a slightly sped up copy of the first "big BIG man/faster version" lyric that was issued to replace the original "one hell of a man" release. Nice find! |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 18 October 2023 at 10:44am
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Looks as though the true mono 45 version has never and
never will be released on CD. ------------- John Gallagher https://www.johngallagher.com - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment https://www.johngallagher.com/photobooth - Snapblast Photo Booth Erie, PA |
Posted By: CountryPD
Date Posted: 19 October 2023 at 6:27am
The MONO 45 version of the original Big John release with the "one hell of a man" lyric was issued on these two various artist CD's: Country USA 1961 - Time/Life CTD-01 [1988] Billboard Top Country Hits 1961 - Rhino R2 70682 [1990] That version MAY have also been reissued elsewhere but I am not aware of it. The 2nd 45 MONO release with the "big BIG man/faster version" has not been issued on CD to my knowledge. But as Santi indicated in an earlier post Hit Parade has created a STEREO version by editing that first rendition of the line into the album version. You could fold that down to MONO to get a close approximation of that release. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN3IRsGDbPg |
Posted By: vanmeter
Date Posted: 26 October 2023 at 11:01am
I have the red/black Hall of Fame 45 and just played it and it's the faster/less dramatic "big big man," which is apparently the correct 45 version based on this thread. I compared it to all the other versions I have and it's definitely faster, especially noticeable on the opening "at the bottom of this mine..." line. |
Posted By: CountryPD
Date Posted: 27 October 2023 at 10:14am
Many thanks for taking the time to check! Seems to me that the Hall Of Fame singles were usually the same as the original Columbia 45 release although there are exceptions. Two country HOF releases that differed significantly from the original 45's were Crazy Arms by Ray Price and Singing The Blues by Marty Robbins. Both added a ton of reverb. |
Posted By: vanmeter
Date Posted: 31 October 2023 at 6:49am
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We're definitely playing both it and the Marty Robbins in the original 45 versions on our little online classic country station, and "Crazy Arms" off the old Columbia Greatest Western Hits LP that sounds like it's the correct version to my ears.
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