Grass Roots The Complete Original Dunhill
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Topic: Grass Roots The Complete Original Dunhill
Posted By: bitman
Subject: Grass Roots The Complete Original Dunhill
Date Posted: 21 January 2014 at 2:31pm
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Real Gone is promoting a new Grass Roots set with 23 Chart
Hits from the Dunhill/ABC Label. All Singles Presented in Glorious, Original Mono, Most for the First Time. Fantastic-Sounding Set Is the Result of a Worldwide Search for the Best Sources. If it's true, this could be big and maybe hope that more Dunhill singles masters can be found. |
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Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 27 January 2014 at 12:50am
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I didn't realize the "uncensored" version of Let's Live
For Today had made it onto a mono 45 on Dunhill (or maybe it didn't and they're including it so the set has the more familiar version people remember from oldies radio). I wonder why ALL of the songs are mono, when some of the later singles had mono/stereo DJ pressings where the stereo sides did match the mono sides (yet were still different from the stereo album versions -- I believe I read about one or two songs like that on this very board, anyway). ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 27 January 2014 at 11:19am
| You have to own the DJ copy of "Two Divided By Love" to get the longer fade in stereo, and you need the DJ copy of "Glory Bound" to get the re-done drum track in stereo. The public was offered mono versions of these songs on 45 but only radio got these differences in stereo. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 January 2014 at 11:12pm
In another thread, Pat mentions that there are two commercial pressings--one with the uncensored lyrics. The uncensored 45 can be seen and heard on this YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=121yiKLqn1M - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=121yiKLqn1M ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
TomDiehl1 wrote:Posted By: bitman
Date Posted: 28 January 2014 at 10:26am
| One posssible explanation for the later singles also being in mono is that those were the only tapes they were able to find. Considering the infamous Dunhill master tape purge I'm extremely stoked that they found these. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 28 January 2014 at 11:13am
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Bill is correct that all of the songs on the CD were issued only in mono
on the commercial 45s. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 8:30pm
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I received my copy of this new release today. I've been
listening to it and so far I must say the sound is very good. I believe we have Aaron K. to thank as he was a part of this project for Real Gone Music. Perhaps Aaron can share some info on the tapes and/or other sources used (some of us may want to know where the tapes were found and/or any other interesting tidbits). ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 11:20pm
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Thank you for the compliments, Santi. Yes, I did have a big part in
getting this CD released, and it's the first officially released disc that has my name in the credits as "mastered by." There was one other forum member who had a hand in it, too, and I thank him for his contributions. If you have been looking for the Grass Roots mono singles on CD, I highly encourage you to pick it up. The sound quality is excellent, as Santi notes, and they are ALL the correct mono mixes found on the US stock 45s. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 5:13am
| Aaron, congrats to you and the "other" member on the Grass Roots CD! They couldn't have found anyone better suited for the job. Looking forward to hearing the correct mono mixes. Thanks also go out to my buddy Ed Osborne for his tireless work over the years on these wonderful compilations. |
Posted By: bitman
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 9:33am
| I meant to post as well, but I've been swamped with work. Very impressed with the set! I was expecting a hiss factory like the Sundazed Mamas & Papas mono sets, but was pleasantly surprised. So, Aaron, any inside info about any other Dunhill single masters being unearthed? Or are you not at liberty to say? |
Posted By: Ringmaster_D
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 9:51am
| Hi Aaron. I'm definitely going to pick this up now. Can you provide any info on where the tapes came from? The re-appearance of these mono Dunhill tapes has many of us hopeful that more will surface. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 9:55am
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Thanks, Paul & bitman! I appreciate the kind words! Given the competitive nature of the business and the potential for future releases, I'm not really at liberty to share anything that isn't in the liner notes. It was definitely fun to be involved in the project, and I certainly hope I get the chance to work on another one. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 7:51pm
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I received my copy today, EXCELLENT work on this release. Gives you a great comprehensive collection of the original singles.
The only discrepancy I can find is on "The River is Wide". First, I am comparing to my stock 45 which has a label time of 2:30 and an actual time of 2:35. This CD runs 2:38. I lined up my 45 with the CD The reason I checked this song is because it sure sounded slower on this CD than I had heard it before. I admit that there could be multiple pressings of the 45 with different speeds, or my copy could be a sped up bootleg (as there were a lot of Dunhill boots), but I don't think it is. It is a slower pitch on this CD than my 45. Maybe somebody else has a 45 that does match up in speed. Mine doesn't. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 8:51pm
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Bill, this must be a case of multiple 45 pressings. I have in front of me an original styrene Dunhill stock 45 with deadwax "01299" on one side of the runout groove and "(delta)75492" on the other side. The printed time is 2:30, and the actual time is 2:38. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 8:56pm
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I also just pulled out a copy of the promo 45 of "The River Is Wide." It has the same deadwax as the stock copy I have and same actual run time. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: jono
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 1:26pm
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Aaron, etc.:
Sounds great! I have many Grass Roots 45's, some in "mintish" condition, and the sound on this disc is superior to those. Thanks to all involved in getting this cd released. I look forward to more projects like this one and, quite honestly, if it has your name (and/or Ed Osborne's name) in the credits, I'll buy it, as I know you guys are very meticulous when it comes to the finer details. On a personal note, the singles The Grass Roots put out in this time period are some of my favorite songs of all-time. And, actually, a former member of the band lives in my hometown (Dennis Provisor), although I don't know him personally. Jon O. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 6:11pm
| I figured there was more than one speed issued on "The River is Wide", my deadwax has 01299 on the A side and 01300 on the B side. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 6:53pm
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Jon O, thank you very much for the nice compliment! It really means a
lot and makes me very happy to hear all the great feedback on the sound quality. I also agree that Ed Osborne did a great job on the liner notes, and my first chance at seeing the completed CD and booklet was just today. I'm also thrilled to see that the CD had spent the last couple days in the top 100 best selling CDs on Amazon and top 50 best selling CDs on CD Universe. THANK YOU for buying the CD. Thank you also to Gordon at Real Gone!! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 8:21pm
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Let's hope it continues to sell well in coming weeks. The
positive word of mouth certainly helps. "Heaven Knows" is my favorite track, plus I had never heard the censored version of "Let's Live For Today" until this collection. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: musicmanatl
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 9:58pm
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Aaron, I bought a copy too! I'm looking forward to receiving it tomorrow.
Frank |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 06 March 2014 at 2:04pm
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Mine is on order as well. Can't wait to hear it! I've been privileged to hear Aaron's audio mastering work in the past and all I can say is it's about time it appears on a commercial CD for many to enjoy.
Mark M |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 11 March 2014 at 1:38am
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Same here, Mark! I just got the CD and it is excellent!
It's remarkable how close most of these are to the original 45s. Nice job, Aaron! Except..."Sooner Or Later" is bass-heavy compared to my original 45 and the stereo mix. ------------- |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 18 March 2014 at 8:21am
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I received my copy yesterday, and what a delight it is to hear these single mixes sounding so good when we've been led to believe for thirty years that we'd never see them released on CD. Many thanks to all involved!
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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 18 March 2014 at 9:31am
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My copy arrived last week, but I forgot to post comments.
As far as sound quality goes, I think it's basically flawless - certainly as good as we'll ever get from the Dunhill singles. Excellent volume levels and track-to-track uniformity, excellent dynamic range (no brickwalling or clipping), no added compression/limiting, excellent EQ, no audible artifacts from noise reduction, no truncated or shortened fades. I specifically listened for artifacts, and I couldn't tell which tracks were from vinyl and which were from source tapes. Nicely done, Aaron. Let's hope there are more projects in the pipeline for your mastering skills! ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 18 March 2014 at 1:59pm
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I just received my copy yesterday, and listened non-stop last night to the whole thing.
I can't echo Ron's and everyone's feedback enough. Beautiful EQ, super clean sources. I had read last year (and heard through my grapevine) that a search was under way, including other countries, for any Dunhill single masters that may have been copied and sent elsewhere. Well, I think what we have here is the first fruit of that labor. Awesome job, Aaron. The sound on this set is beyond perfect!! Mark M |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 March 2014 at 3:56pm
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Thank you so much to everyone who has left me positive feedback. It really means a lot to know how much everyone is enjoying hearing all of the mono mixes finally on CD after all these years. You guys are the best! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: musicmanatl
Date Posted: 21 March 2014 at 8:04pm
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Aaron, I bought it too. I love the Grass Roots, and the sound is, as everyone has said, amazing. :)
Frank |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 24 March 2014 at 3:23pm
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Add me to the list of fawning KannoKadets! :) A top-notch job from top to bottom. Great job, Aaron!
As for the bass boost on "Sooner Or Later," I have absolutely no problem with it, having done exactly the same thing when I'd made my own vinyl transfer. It's one thing to keep things historically accurate when presenting a song with such anemic bass as a standalone 45 RPM single, and another to help make a song's bottom end sound a bit less wafer-thin amongst its twenty-three fellow Roots 45 brethren when heard within the context of a compact disc collection. I believe the producer made the right choice for this particular project. Am now looking forward to The Thomas Group's The Complete Original Dunhill Singles collection. ;) |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 24 March 2014 at 7:18pm
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I think you'd really love my mono 45 vinyl transfer of
Richard Harris' "McArthur Park". I'm not joking. When I did my transfer of the "Sooner Or Later" 45, it had more weight than the stereo mix, so I thought it was perfect. The relative lightness in the bass makes the song more of a fast-paced pop song. I'm not taking away from Aaron's excellent work. I love it. But, I would have not boosted the bass as much. I hope he's not getting offended by my opinion, because I love the CD so much it stayed in constant play the whole week after I bought it, and used most of the tracks to update my year-by-year comps. ------------- |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 March 2014 at 7:26pm
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Grant, I would love to hear your needledrop of MacArthur Park.
And no, no offense taken to the bass comment. I'm glad everyone is enjoying the CD so much! By the way, I listened to "Sooner Ot Later" on the CD again just now. Even if it does have more bass than the 45, it still doesn't have as much bass as many of the other tracks on the disc--at least listening on my system. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 24 March 2014 at 9:46pm
Thanks, because I have nothing but respect for you, and the fine work you've been doing all of these years. I'd like for you and others to hears some of the work i've been doing over the years. For me, it's all bout getting these vintage single and promo versions back out there. Even if the world can't enjoy 'em, we can. ------------- |
Posted By: Ringmaster_D
Date Posted: 29 March 2014 at 5:56pm
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Aaron, my Grass Roots CD just came in the mail and it's
given me such a greater appreciation of this band. The stereo mixes just didn't work for most of these songs and these punchy mono mixes make you wonder why even some of the lesser hits didn't chart higher. Great job on this one. Please keep us posted about your next project! |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 April 2014 at 11:24pm
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I've been on a hiatus from the message board over the past couple of months but I too want to chime in and say that I've purchased the Grass Roots The Complete Original Dunhill/ABC Hit Singles CD and am thrilled to see our own Aaron K. getting some well-deserved credit and widespread exposure for his stellar mastering work! It's also awesome to read all the glowing reviews on retail sites like Amazon praising the CD's sound quality... I mean, when you have audiophiles saying they can't even tell which, or if any, of the tracks came from vinyl, then you know Aaron has done a fantastic job! I can't wait to see what other compilations Gordon Anderson of Real Gone Music may have lined up for the future.
And if I may reiterate a friendly suggestion to my fellow "Top 40 Music on CD" aficionados here... In this day and age where overall industry CD sales are rapidly declining and increasingly becoming more of a "niche" product, I'd like to encourage everyone to support independent labels like Real Gone Music, Eric Records, Collector's Choice Music, etc. by visiting their respective websites and purchasing their CD titles directly. Even if their prices are a dollar or two more than what the major retail online stores may offer, you are allowing more of your dollars to go directly to these labels that truly care about the music and sound quality and in the process you're helping them save on distribution and "middle man" costs. The more money we can help make for these labels, the better our chances of seeing more exciting new releases like the Grass Roots CD in the future! |