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Topic: Top 100 Hits: Below the Top 40
Posted By: EdisonLite
Subject: Top 100 Hits: Below the Top 40
Date Posted: 31 March 2006 at 10:37pm
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I thought I'd start a thread that might be useful to some of the regulars on the board -- a listing of songs where the single version/edit is different from the album version for top 100 hits that peaked below the top 40 or are NOT in Pat's book (These might include Hot 100 hits that peaked between 37 and 40 but are not in the book). If anyone else can contribute to this thread, I think it will be useful to many of us. Because the singles aren't in Pat's book, we may not even be aware that there's a single version/edit out there, and since this is a topic of interest to so many of us, I feel it's worthy of a thread. So far starters, here are some I know of:
Air Supply - The Power of Love Regina Belle - Make It Like It Was Blondie - Island of Lost Souls Boomtown Rats - I Don't Like Mondays Belinda Carlisle - I Feel the Magic Cheap Trick - Tonight It's You Desmond Child - You're the Story of My Life Joe Cocker - What Are You Doing With a Fool Like Me Mac Davis - Everybody Loves a Love Song Paul Davis - Love Or Let Me Be Lonely Gloria Estefan - Oye Mi Canto Fire, Inc. - Tonight Is What It Means to Be Young Get Wet - Just So Lonely Debbie Gibson - We Could Be Together Hall & Oates - I Don't Wanna Lose You Don Henley - New York Minute Dan Hill - Never Thought Roger Hodgson - Had a Dream Whitney Houston & Teddy Pendergrass - Hold Me Mick Jagger - Throwaway Kool & the Gang - Special Way Lighthouse - Pretty Lady Melissa Manchester - Theme from Ice Castles Penny McLean - Lady Bump Moody Blues - Talking Out of Turn Wendy Moten - Come In Out of the Rain Alan Parsons Project - Let's Talk about Me Alan Parsons Project - Days Are Numbers Poco - Nothin' To Hide Diana Ross - One More Chance Silvetti - Spring Rain Starz - Sing It Shout It Rod Stewart - Having a Party Curtis Stigers - You're All That Matters to Me Barbra Streisand - Left in the Dark 10cc - I'm Mandy Fly Me Bonnie Tyler - If You Were a Woman |
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Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 31 March 2006 at 11:07pm
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Alphaville - Big In Japan
Bananarama - A Trick Of The Night Jackson Browne - Rock Me On The Water Communards - Never Can Say Goodbye Earth, Wind & Fire - System Of Survival Earth, Wind & Fire - Thinking Of You Fleetwood Mac - Sisters Of The Moon Fleetwood Mac - Fireflies Debbie Harry - French Kissin' INXS - Original Sin Jacksons - Can You Feel It Jacksons - Body Billy Joel - Goodnight Saigon Midnight Star - Freak-A-Zoid Midnight Star - No Parking (On The Dance Floor) Midnight Star - Midas Touch Peter, Paul & Mary - The Cruel War Stars On 45 - Medley II Stars On 45 - More Stars Donna Summer - Unconditional Love Tina Turner - Break Every Rule Stevie Wonder - You Will Know |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 01 April 2006 at 12:57am
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Nice thread.
But could I kindly ask that the above posters, at their respective conveniences, please note which singles had MIX differences as opposed to simple edits or early fades. I am one of those people that generally prefers the full-length version of a hit MIX (but I will admit that I'm also fascinated by complexly edited singles that are the same mix as their LP counterparts [such as Chicago's "Beginnings"]). Almost always, I prefer the single version if it is remixed from the album and received the lion's share of airplay (even if it's shorter). If the promo "radio version" is a different mix than the commercial single I generaly prefer the promo version. Andy |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 01 April 2006 at 8:15am
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Air Supply - The Power of Love - edit (and about 1 second of mix)
Regina Belle - Make It Like It Was - edit Blondie - Island of Lost Souls - edit Boomtown Rats - I Don't Like Mondays - edit Belinda Carlisle - I Feel the Magic - mix Cheap Trick - Tonight It's You - edit Desmond Child - You're the Story of My Life - fade Joe Cocker - What Are You Doing With a Fool Like Me - mix Mac Davis - Everybody Loves a Love Song - mix Paul Davis - Love Or Let Me Be Lonely - 45 has additional verse not on LP (and is missing other sections) Gloria Estefan - Oye Mi Canto - mix Fire, Inc. - Tonight Is What It Means to Be Young - edit Get Wet - Just So Lonely - shorter than LP but last 10 seconds of 45 are not on LP Debbie Gibson - We Could Be Together - edit (I think) Hall & Oates - I Don't Wanna Lose You - mix Don Henley - New York Minute - edit Dan Hill - Never Thought - mix (a few overdubs) Roger Hodgson - Had a Dream - edit Whitney Houston & Teddy Pendergrass - Hold Me - fade Mick Jagger - Throwaway - edit Kool & the Gang - Special Way - mix (radical difference!) Lighthouse - Pretty Lady - edit Melissa Manchester - Theme from Ice Castles - edit Penny McLean - Lady Bump - edit Moody Blues - Talking Out of Turn - edit (but I'm not sure if there are mix differences, too) Wendy Moten - Come In Out of the Rain - edit Alan Parsons Project - Let's Talk about Me - edit (and about 1 second of mix) Alan Parsons Project - Days Are Numbers - edit Poco - Nothin' To Hide - edit Diana Ross - One More Chance - fade Silvetti - Spring Rain - edit Starz - Sing It Shout It - edit & mix Rod Stewart - Having a Party - edit Curtis Stigers - You're All That Matters to Me - mix Barbra Streisand - Left in the Dark - edit 10cc - I'm Mandy Fly Me - edit Bonnie Tyler - If You Were a Woman - edit |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 01 April 2006 at 8:48am
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I'm pretty sure these 45s are edits, but I don't know if mix differences are also in play. Please correct if I'm wrong.
Stealin' - Uriah Heap Woman From Tokyo - Deep Purple Atomic Dog - George Clinton Rockit - Herbie Hancock Fool For The City - Foghat Ride The Tiger - Jefferson Starship Love, Reign O'er Me - The Who My World Feel Down - Sagittarius (45 is longer and there are some mix differences and maybe some overdubbing--I'm not sure) All I Want Is You - U2 Locomotive Breath - Jethro Tull I Heard It Through The Grapevine - CCR Ridin' The Storm Out (Live) - REO Speedwagon Never Been Any Reason - Head East I'm sure there are more, but I can't find any others at the moment. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 01 April 2006 at 9:12am
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Alphaville - Big In Japan (remix)
Bananarama - A Trick Of The Night (remix) Jackson Browne - Rock Me On The Water (different recording?) Communards - Never Can Say Goodbye (remix) Earth, Wind & Fire - System Of Survival (remix) Earth, Wind & Fire - Thinking Of You (remix) Fleetwood Mac - Sisters Of The Moon (remix) Fleetwood Mac - Fireflies (remix) Debbie Harry - French Kissin' (edit) INXS - Original Sin (remix) Jacksons - Can You Feel It (edit) Jacksons - Body (remix) Billy Joel - Goodnight Saigon (edit) Midnight Star - Freak-A-Zoid (edit, some mix difference) Midnight Star - No Parking (On The Dance Floor) (early fade) Midnight Star - Midas Touch (remix) Peter, Paul & Mary - The Cruel War (different vocal, strings added) Stars On 45 - Medley II (edit) Stars On 45 - More Stars (edit) Donna Summer - Unconditional Love (edit) Tina Turner - Break Every Rule (remix) Stevie Wonder - You Will Know (edit) |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 01 April 2006 at 11:16am
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Thought of a few more:
Vahevala - Loggins & Messina 5:15 - The Who Spirits In The Night - Manfred Mann's Earth Band (different lead vocalist and shorter) Forever Autumn - Justin Hayward Fashion - David Bowie I'm A Man - Chicago Once In a Lifetime - Talking Heads (might have one mix difference to facilitate one of the edits; not totally positive) The Great Beyond - R.E.M. (OK, I don't know if the radio edit made it to vinyl or not, but I do have the CD single) That's all for now. Maybe more later. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 01 April 2006 at 12:04pm
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Thank You, Thank You!
Andy |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 03 April 2006 at 8:58pm
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Great topic!
Here are a few off the top of my head. I don't have access to the database so I apologize if these are already listed: Kim Wilde "You Came" (remix) Cathy Dennis "Everybody Move" (remix) Cyndi Lauper "Who Let In The Rain" (edit) Cyndi Lauper "That's What I Think" (edit) Madonna "Love Don't Live Here Anymore" (remix) Madonna "Hollywood" (edit) Mariah Carey "Through The Rain" (edit) Celine Dion "Nothing Broken But My Heart" (remix) Jody Watley "Most Of All" (remix) Heart "Want You So Bad" (remix) |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 8:53am
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Re:Madonna
Bedtime Story (Album Edit)* Human Nature (Radio Version) Love Don't Live Here Anymore (Soulpower Radio Remix) Sorry (Single Edit) * - debatable as the full recording (with a cleaned up intro so it's still technically different) appears on the 2 track single...at the time of this singles' release, Warner Bros. loved putting the LP Versions on their 2 track CD singles (see also: Prince/The Artist...) and the edits with the more popular maxi singles. Radio stations and international singles almost always included the edits on all formats. Missed the Hot 100: - Everybody (see below) - Burning Up (see below) - Hollywood (Radio Edit) - Nothing Fails (Radio Edit) / (Radio Remix) - Love Profusion (Headcleanr Rock Mix) - Get Together (Radio Version) Also, her first two US releases were 12" singles only. "Everybody" is longer and "Burning Up" has a different backing track than what ended up on the Madonna album. Edits of both were issued. "Everybody" is now available on a commercial Back-To-Back Hits 7" and is different from the faded version heard on the Madonna album. Burning Up is on international 7" releases and the Japanese CD Singles box set. Both are the 12" versions chopped up, not special mixes. The 2001 remastered edition of the Madonna album replaced the shorter "Everybody" with the original 12" length..."Burning Up" is included as a bonus track. |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 9:28am
"Everybody" was on a 7-inch single. It bubbled-under, but these days it seems easier to find the promo single that the actual commercial single. "Physical Attraction" was a promo-only 45, but it was never released commercially. When "Holiday" became her first chart entry, it was actually her third song to pressed on a 7-inch single! |
Underground Dub wrote:Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 9:41am
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To my knowledge there was originally no commercial 7" for Everybody, but the edit was issued in the late 80's on a Back-To-Back Hits 7" with Papa Don't Preach. Do you happen to have a catalog number or image of a commercial release from 1982?
I know the track bubbled under (at 107), but thought it did so as the 12" release. |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 10:11am
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[QUOTE=Underground Dub] Re:Madonna
Bedtime Story (Album Edit)* * - debatable as the full recording (with a cleaned up intro so it's still technically different) appears on the 2 track single...at the time of this singles' release, Warner Bros. loved putting the LP Versions on their 2 track CD singles (see also: Prince/The Artist...) and the edits with the more popular maxi singles. Radio stations and international singles almost always included the edits on all formats. I'm a bit confused here, with "Bedtime Story" do you mean to say that besides the "cut" intro, the album edit is the full album version? There is another edit right after she sings "longing and yearning, how can I explain how I feel...". The edit chops off the last "let's get unconscious honey..." verse, and the "electric" synth sound kicks right after. Most if not all 2 track USA CD singles that Warner released for Madonna between 1992-1996 contain the edit/radio mixes, same thing for their cd maxi single counterparts. All cardboard sleeve 2 track singles from "Erotica" contain the edits, and as far as I can recall same thing for the "Bedtime Stories" singles. Non contain album versions. The domestic 2 track singles from the 1995 "Something To Remember" compilation (Love Don't Live and "You'll See") are also included in their single versions. The "You Must Love Me" 2 track also had the single version, and "Don't Cry For Me" only had a maxi single. So what you mention, with Madonna at least, started to happen with the 1998 "Ray Of Light" cd singles, all containing album versions, leaving those which had edits for promo release only (later commercially available on GHV2). Also, I remember Faith No More's "Evidence" 1995 2 track cd single on Reprise (Warner), and it had the edit version of the song. Maybe it was more usual with Prince? |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 10:22am
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I have theses singles at home so can't double check now, but checking Brian's thread, I was wrong as far as two singles off "Bedtime Stories":
"Secret" and "Take A Bow" apparently do use the album versions. They seem more like exceptions to the rule, if you count the number of US Madonna 2 track cd singles that used edits in their configuration between 1992-1996. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 10:26am
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During this time there were many instances where the single versions were only on the maxi singles or weren't commercially issued at all:
- Erotica: ALBUM Version on single, Edit on maxi-single - Secret: ALBUM Version on single, Edit on maxi-single - Take A Bow: ALBUM Version on both single and maxi-single. The Edit was not commercially issued in the US (until GHV2), but was the video and radio version, and was on all imports - Bedtime Story: ALBUM Version on single, Edit on maxi-single - You'll See: ALBUM Version on single and maxi-single. The Edit is the hit version and is available on all promos and imports. It was also the video version. Sorry to word things in a confusing way. The end of the song "Sanctuary" bleeds onto the intro of "Bedtime Story" on the Bedtime Stories album. The "album version" featured on the 2-track single has a slightly specially mixed intro, identical to the beginning of the edit. Also, the Ray Of Light-era edits were not commercially released until GHV2, but they were the "hit" radio versions. The CD singles from Frozen to Don't Tell Me all featured the album versions. Her last CD Single (not maxi) American Life has the Radio Edit version. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 10:28am
| You're right too, a lot of them do use the proper edits. I should have been clearer...but the only single from Bedtime Stories to use the correct single version was Human Nature (Radio Version). |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 10:33am
| Interesting, I don't own the 2 track "Bedtime Story" CD single and didn't remember it had the unblended album version. So I guess what they felt like doing depends on the album : ) |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 11:18am
And how! I just received the promo CD to obtain the single mix and I can't believe how different it is to the album version! Remixed by Keith Cohen...I love it. |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 12:21pm
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Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 12:26pm
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Cool, I think many of us know that feeling when we get such surprises, so we share your joy ; )
Thanks for the refresher posts! I realize that during the years we discussed, the album vs. edit thing on Madonna's cd singles was more of a 50-50 thing : ) |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 2:43pm
The US promo copy has the same number, and carries a 3:58 edit on both sides - one in mono, one in stereo. The promo single for "Physical Attraction" was on Sire Pro-S-2023, and carried a 3:54 edit in stereo on both sides. The notation states "from the 12" sire maxi single 0-29715). |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 3:09pm
I love "Physical Attraction", thought it'd be interesting to note that the 3:54 edit which first surfaced on CD on the "You Can Dance Single Edits of Album Remixes" promo and later on the Jap CD Single Collection, is actually NOT a simple edit of the "Madonna" album version. It is a different mix, if you pay attention, the differences are easy to spot. I can provide specifics if needed. Recently, several previously unheard demos from Madonna's debut album leaked from her first manager, and interestingly enough, among them is the full version of the 3:54 edit, clocking in at 5:58. An official edit of the 6:35 "Physical Attraction" album version has yet to surface. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 12 July 2006 at 12:11am
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<The "You Must Love Me" 2 track also had the single version>
This is interesting. How does the single version differ? (Can anyone send me an mp3 of the single version?) Ironically, I just added this song to my mp3 player an hour before reading this post! And I just assumed that this short version on the LP would be the same as the single. |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 12 July 2006 at 1:10am
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The single version starts with a piano and cello section, with the same structure in which you hear it on the chorus:
"you must love... (piano and violin section) me...". Another noticeable difference is the single version uses a smooth synth sound backing her vocals throughout most of the song, the album version is missing it. You can easily tell when she sings the first verse, on the album version it's acapella. The intro on the single version gives it an extra 17 seconds over the album version. I'll be glad to send you an mp3 of it. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 2:09am
Just found this thread again, and there's some good information in it! I wanted to comment that the 45 version of "Just So Lonely" CAN be edited from the LP version. The last chorus is looped and faded out on the 45. You'd have to hear it to get it just right, but there's an obviously bad edit on the fade out of the 45 where the loop starts. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 08 June 2008 at 3:11pm
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DOUCETTE - "MAMA LET HIM PLAY" (Edit and Remix)
45 actual time (2:54) (US Mushroom 7030) CD actual time (4:24) (US Era CD 5017-2, Mama Let Him Play) --------------------------------- Due to mix differences, the 45 edit cannot be re-created from the LP version found on the out-of-print Era CD Mama Let Him Play (which sounds suspiciously like a needle drop.) The 45 sounds much brighter and crisper than the CD track. From the very beginning, the 45 has two guitars; one panned hard left, and the other centered. On the CD, both guitars are centered, although the punctuating guitar licks are well-separated. The vocal and instrumental differences between the CD version's two refrains make it impossible to do a smooth edit to at least replicate the 45's edited length. There's no way to obtain the cold ending without a very awkward-sounding change. The different 45 mix pulls it off without a hitch. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 28 December 2008 at 12:08pm
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B.B. KING - "HUMMINGBIRD" (ABC 11268, 1970)
DJ 45 listed time is (2:55) DJ 45 actual time is (3:05) Commercial 45 listed time is (3:49) Commercial 45 actual time is (3:57) ------------------------------------------ An entire verse is excised from the DJ 45 version. To replicate the promo 45 edit: Beginning at the second drum beat at 1:42 (1:42.3, specifically) edit out 51.464 seconds up to the beginning of the drum beat at 2:33.7. The DJ 45 edit abruptly clips off a guitar note. A touch of reverb can smooth that out, if you prefer. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 05 April 2009 at 8:41pm
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This one falls below even the top 100 (#102) but it was a #30 AC charter.
ART GARFUNKEL - "TRAVELING BOY" (Columbia 46030, 1974) The stereo DJ and commercial 45s are identical: Listed time is (3:36) Actual time is (3:38) This is an edit of the five-minute track from the Angel Clare LP. It cannot be created from the LP version. The 45 deletes the album version's 42-second instrumental opening, and begins cold with Art's opening line, "Wake up my love..." The LP version has the piano playing prominently as Art begins singing the line. The 45 mixes out the piano almost completely to start, fading it up very quickly, but gradually. This gives the 45 the feeling of an a capella start. There are no further edits. The very long instrumental ending is faded out early, but not before including the neat keyboard-and-drum break that highlights the ending. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 29 April 2009 at 12:53pm
Is the shorter version of CCR's remake of "I Heard It Through The Grapevine" on a CD? All I've ever seen is the eleven minute version. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 27 June 2009 at 3:25pm
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TRAFFIC - "EMPTY PAGES" (United Artists 50692, 1970, #74 BB)
Listed and actual 45 time is (3:57) Listed vinyl LP time is (4:45); actual time is (4:33) The 45 differs from the LP track on John Barleycorn Must Die in two ways: 1.) The instrumental section between 2:46 and 3:23 is edited out of the 45. The edit is a bit on the loose side. 2.) There are handclaps in the right channel of the 45 from 1:51 to 2:44. These handclaps are not present on the LP or CD versions. Consequently, the 45 version cannot be replicated from LP or CD.
According to the latest CCM catalog, Fantasy's new Creedence Clearwater Revival Covers The Classics CD has the single edit. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 8:15pm
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Here's a Cancon oldie that didn't chart in the U.S.:
TRANQUILITY BASE - "IF YOU'RE LOOKIN'" ( http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/TranquilityBase-IfYoureLookinDJ.jpg - RCA 0330 , 1970) Listed and actual time is (2:57) ------------- Ian Thomas was one of the six members of Tranquility Base. Both "If You're Lookin'" and Ian's 1973 solo hit, "Painted Ladies" were included on the now long-out-of-print RCA Canada CD, Made In Canada, Volume 2: Into The '70s - Our Rock 'N' Roll History. On this CD, the times for "If You're Lookin'" are (2:36) listed and (2:38) actual. A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpSeruWzU5A - YouTube clip of "If You're Lookin'" shows a fuzzy image of the Canadian RCA stock 45 label with a listed time of (2:57); the same length as the U.S. RCA 45. But the mono video clip music runs only (2:38), just as it does on the CD. The :19 difference in timing is due to an earlier fade on the CD track. The sole Tranquility Base LP was never released, and because both the original 45 and the CD were on RCA Canada, the early CD fade seems a little odd. Tape damage, perhaps? "If You're Lookin'" was an interesting, ahead-of-its-time tune. The hook doesn't appear at all until about the last one-third of the song, and from then on it repeats until the end. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 22 February 2010 at 1:10pm
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Thought of another from the Alan Parsons Project: "Psychobabble." (45 runs (3:26), LP runs (4:54) [or thereabouts].)
Shot in the dark--but does anyone have this 45, or know the edit points? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 22 February 2010 at 11:07pm
| Another one: Bruce Willis's "Under The Boardwalk". Peaked at 59, the week of July 11, 1987. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 15 May 2010 at 3:13pm
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PRISM - "TAKE ME TO THE KAPTIN" ( http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/Prism-TakeMeToTheKaptin.jpg - Ariola America 7678 , 1978 #59 BB]
45 listed and actual time is (3:01) LP listed time is (4:00), actual is (3:57) LP version is on Prism (Ariola America 50020) -------------- "Take Me To The Kaptin" received a major overhaul when this 1977 LP track was prepped for single release. About the only thing remaining intact is Ron Tabak's lead vocal. The big news here is that both the bass and drum tracks were completely redone, and how!! The bottom end is wimpy at best on the LP version, but the new bass line on the 45 absolutely rocks, and really drives this song. The new drum track is also a huge improvement. The added spacey-sounding synth flourishes are also a nice touch. The guitars are remixed, but otherwise sound similar to those on the LP. On the minus side, the single fades out a minute earlier than the LP version to keep it at three minutes in length. No biggie, except that in this case it really sounds like a premature fade. It might have been a better idea to shorten the intro a bit, instead. The 45 version of "Take Me To The Kaptin" does not appear to have been released on CD yet. BTW, the label scan is from a DJ 45. Curiously, the usual "promotional copy - not for sale" blurb appears only on the mono side. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 15 May 2010 at 4:18pm
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yah shure...what kind of scanner do you have to make such a crystal clear image.....my epson never produces images like that!! ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 15 May 2010 at 8:34pm
| Let's make that http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5647&PN=1&TPN=1 - another thread , Ed! |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 08 August 2010 at 11:50am
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Don Henley's "New York Minute" was mentioned earlier in the thread. Can the radio edit be extracted from the LP version? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 10 August 2010 at 7:34pm
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This seemed the best thread to post this question. Toto had 2 hits below the Top 40, and wondered if what's on CD is different from the 45's.
Toto - Georgy Porgy (45 listed as 3:08 / CD listed as 4:08) Toto - I'll Supply The Love (45 listed as 3:32 / CD listed as 3:45) |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 12 August 2010 at 3:54pm
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John, I have one of those 45s, and it IS different than the LP/CD track:
TOTO - "I'LL SUPPLY THE LOVE" (Columbia 10898, #45 BB) 45 listed (3:32), actual (3:33) [3:33.127] LP listed (3:45), actual (3:44) [3:44.667] The single runs just a tiny bit faster than the vinyl LP track from Toto, but it's not a significant enough difference to worry about. Both the single and LP tracks end cold, so this is a 45 version distinction. To replicate it, there are two edits involved: First, delete the segment between 3:19.891 and 3:25.675 (a total of 5.783 seconds.) Second, delete the segment between 2:48.230 and 2:53.979 (a total of 5.749 seconds.) That edit point at 2:48.230 may not seem like the most obvious choice at first, but it works out just fine. You should end up with a total time of about 3:33.112. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 12 August 2010 at 7:56pm
| Thanks, John! |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 30 April 2011 at 1:49pm
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Anybody know if the 45 of InXS and Jimmy Barnes' "Good Times" is different from the LP (there's about a four second difference in both according to Wiki)? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 16 June 2011 at 9:54pm
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GORDON LIGHTFOOT - "DAYLIGHT KATY" (Warner Bros. 8579, BB #16 AC; did not chart pop.)
DJ 45: both sides are listed as (3:20) stereo side actual time is (4:19) mono side actual time is (3:54) LP: Endless Wire, Warner Bros. 3149 listed time is (4:12) on jacket, (4:21) on label actual time is (4:21) ------------- Did Warner use a sundial to time this one? I don't have the commercial 45, but the deadwax matrix numbers on the stereo side of the DJ 45 do not indicate that this is a DJ-only cutting. The actual time of 4:19 is, indeed, 59 seconds longer than the stated 3:20. This is the LP track faded two seconds earlier, but that last two seconds of the LP track is only audible with speakers or heaphones cranked to ear-damaging levels, anyway. It's the http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/GordonLightfoot-DaylightKatymonoDJ.jpg - mono side of the DJ 45 that is of note here. Although listed at 3:20, the mono side runs an actual 3:54, and involves both an edit of the first chorus and a slightly earlier fade. Here's the first chorus: Daylight Katy come on Daylight Katy come on If you can't follow me down Daylight Katy go home (repeat) The edit halves the first chorus by eliminating most of the repeat. The cut begins with the word "home" and ends at the beginning of the same word "home" of the repeat. That's it! The repeated chorus following the second verse is left uncut. The mono DJ 45's early fade begins at 3:47, six seconds after the track itself has already begun to fade during the third repetition of the final chorus. The early fade begins with the word "If" at 3:47 and ends at the very end of the line, "Daylight Katy go home" at 3:54. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 17 June 2011 at 12:25pm
| Very easy edit to make on the "Daylight Katy" track, as well as the earlier fade. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 01 November 2011 at 9:50pm
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Midnight Star's "Freak-A-Zoid" is listed as having some edits and some mix differences on the single version vs. the album version; does anybody know if the single version has ever made it to the digital realm? ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 November 2011 at 10:08pm
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I don't own any of the Midnight Star 45s, but the latest compilation "Ultimate Collection" has short versions. Could http://allmusic.com/album/ultimate-collection-r843620 - these be the correct single mixes? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: mstgator
Date Posted: 03 November 2011 at 5:51pm
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If the sample clip is correct, that's not the 45 version of "Freak-A-Zoid".
Sounds like a remix to me (possibly the same one that appeared on their "Anniversary Collection"). |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 03 November 2011 at 6:37pm
Yes, that's definitely not the 45 version. That may be the same remix that was labeled "Radio Edit" on one of the reissues of the No Parking on the Dance Floor album. Also, "Midas Touch" on this collection is not the correct 45 version. FWIW, I was finally able to recreate the 45 version of "Freak-A-Zoid" using the LP version as the source. This thing has a TON of edits, at least 10 if I recall. But the tricky part was the outro, which repeated the "I'll be your freak-a-zoid..." chorus to a fade. There's a similar section toward the end of the LP version but it is mixed differently than the 45 outro, so I had to take the chorus from an earlier section of the song and repeat it to a fade. I have my doubts that this was how the true 45 edit was accomplished, but the end result sounds the same to me. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 04 November 2011 at 8:03pm
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Roscoe, if you have any record of those edits, I'd love to know what they were! ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 05 November 2011 at 2:07pm
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In Midnight Star's hey-day, i didn't buy any of their
singles, altho i remember the songs. Right then i didn't really care what would later be called "freestyle" beats, so groups like Soul Sonic Force..et al. i couldn't stand. I find in my old age tho, that now because i heard so much of it along with other dance music at the time, that it really brings me back! So up til now the only Midnight Star record i purchased was the later hit "Operator". I was curious so i went to Youtube, and Unidisc has the original videos posted (in beautiful quality, too!) for their hits. So for reference, could this be the 45 edit of "Freak-A-Zoid"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRo426va26I&feature=relmfu and as a total aside-question; in the intro for the video for "No Parking"...does anyone else agree that looks and sounds like a newly-famous Eddie Murphy who plays the cab driver who yells at the girl to move her car? (at about :35 secs in...) and the girl in the car looks familiar to me as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gomCkCbKHA4 Very cool to hear "Freak-A-Zoid" after all these years. MM |
Posted By: mstgator
Date Posted: 06 November 2011 at 10:46am
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^ That is indeed the 45 edit for "Freak-A-Zoid"! The sound effect at 1:48 is
pulled from a different section of the LP version, if you choose to attempt your own edit (and the outro may be different as well as Roscoe said). Re: "No Parking"... it does sound like Eddie Murphy, but looks like a thin Ice Cube. :) |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 07 November 2011 at 12:05am
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That's the guide I needed, then... thanks so much, everyone! ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 05 May 2012 at 3:41pm
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STEPPENWOLF - "FOR LADIES ONLY" (Dunhill 4292, 1971, #64 BB)
Mono commercial 45/mono DJ 45 listed (3:20), actual (3:26) Stereo DJ 45 listed (3:20), actual (3:27) LP version on For Ladies Only LP (Dunhill 50110) listed and actual time is (9:13) ------------------------------------ I was prompted to analyze "For Ladies Only" after a poster on the Steve Hoffman forum said he didn't care for "the single edit" of this track. Odds are, that same poster has never actually heard the single *version* of "For Ladies Only," which seems to have disappeared following the 45's 1971 release. Thanks to a long, mid-song piano-dominated instrumental section, the 9:13 LP track does not readily lend itself to editing, as anyone who's ever heard any of the shorter versions can attest. When Dunhill released Steppenwolf's 16 Greatest Hits compilation in 1973, the single version was not utilized; instead, a newer, but very unintuitive 3:37 edit was created. 16 Greatest Hits was re-titled and reissued over the years as Sixteen Great Performances, first on ABC in 1975, then on MCA in 1980. Track lineups remained unchanged. MCA's Born To Be Wild/A Retrospective double-CD includes a 4:51 edit. Although an improvement over the previous 3:37 version, it still has a somewhat jarring edit at the 3:27 mark. Given its absence since 1971, it very well could be that tapes for the 45 version have gone the way of many its other ABC/Dunhill single brethren. So how was the single different from the edits which followed? 1) The single was remixed, whereas all of the common edits utilize the mix on the LP version. The most obvious difference hits the listener from the get-go, and it's all about the very prominent bass. The throbbing bottom end on the 45 mix turns "For Ladies Only" into a guys' kind of rocker, so to speak. It feels powerful and never lets up for the duration of the track. 2) The single mix's edit points are unique to the 45. 3) The bridge on the 45 is reinforced. The LP version has a sixteen-second segment leading up to the piano workout that features two guitars and nothing else. On the 45, this same segment serves as the bridge, where it runs fourteen seconds and the two guitars are augmented by drums, bass and a guitar overdub. This beefed-up segment does a better job of bridging the gap left by the excised piano portion. To my ears, the commercial 45 - which was mono - sounds like a fold-down of the http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/Steppenwolf-ForLadiesOnlystereoDJ.jpg - stereo DJ 45 . |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 09 May 2014 at 7:52pm
| I'm working on "Essential Air Supply" for Sony and have a question about the single version of "The Power of Love" - can anyone who has the 45 time it and report back? I'm unclear as to whether it's 3:57 or 4:07. Thanks. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 10 May 2014 at 6:15am
| 4:06. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 10 May 2014 at 11:00am
| Thank you. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 10 May 2014 at 12:08pm
| Gordon, will you please let us know when the Essential Air Supply CD is scheduled for release? I have a feeling this will be a must-have compilation for anyone still looking to acquire certain versions of Air Supply hits on CD! ;-) |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 10 May 2014 at 1:26pm
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Right now, "Essential Air Supply" has only been approved for a digital (mp3) release, but there are people within the Legacy camp that are lobbying to get this released on CD as well. I agree that it should be. No release date has been set yet. I'll keep you posted on all this. Hopefully, it will come out in CD format, too.
And yes, this will be the first US release that contains the single mixes of "Every Woman in the World", "Sweet Dreams" and "The Power of Love". Incidentally, for those who are Air Supply fans, two non-LP B-sides will be making their CD debut later this year when "The 80s: Air Supply" gets released (and yes, it's in CD format and contains the single mixes of "Every Woman..." and "Sweet Dreams"). This is a budget CD and the songs are "Crazy Love" (B-side to "Just As I Am") and "Late Again" (B-side to "Making Love Out of Nothing At All"). |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 2:02am
| Sounds like a great release, Gordon! Hopefully the rumor that Apple will announce in June that they will be selling lossless hi-rez music downloads will actually come to pass this time. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 11:03am
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I'm surprised Apple/Mac/iTunes hasn't already been selling hi-rez lossless files. They'd probably charge $1.50 or so (which is 50% higher than MOST of their songs) and when has Apple not wanted to make more money? :)
Of course, the issue now is having the record companies go back to all their CDs and supplying WAVs or aiff's or some other lossless form to Apple. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 11:07am
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This is actually not an issue. Apple requires music companies to submit
the files in lossless quality, and they do the AAC encoding at Apple. The biggest issue, I believe, is bandwidth costs, but I don't know for sure about that. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 1:44pm
| Yeah, Aaron is correct, Gordon -- Apple has been requiring the record companies to supply them with 24-bit lossless files for a couple of years now. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 3:54pm
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When I worked for Disney, we would occasionally have to send them
things for our iTunes Store. Even as early as 2007, they were requiring lossless files. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 12 May 2014 at 10:42pm
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Another recent article about Sony's plans to push for hi-res (doesn't really mention iTunes):
http://www.digitaltrends.com/music/sony-going-high-resolution-audio-care/#!MXAdL - Inside Sony's Plot To Snuff Out The MP3 For Good With High-Res Audio |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 29 June 2015 at 8:11pm
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THE SEEKERS - "MORNINGTOWN RIDE" (Capitol 5785, 1967. #41 CB, #44 BB, #49 RW)
Listed and actual commercial 45 time is (2:36). --------------------------------------- Per Dawn Eden's liner notes from the Seekers' 1992 Capitol Collectors Series CD: "Capitol capitalized upon the success of "Georgy Girl" with "Morningtown Ride," which had already made the English Top Five. In the label's haste, it made a goof. Instead of releasing the English hit version of "Morningtown Ride," which was done in 1966, they released an earlier version from one of the Seekers' World Record Club albums. The label corrected its mistake by putting the 1966 version on future releases of the song. This compilation marks the first release of the World Record Club version, which reached number 44 on the Hot 100." If the above statement is true, then Capitol made the switch while the iron was still in the fire. The version on my Capitol 5787 stock 45 is the 1966 UK hit version, not the World Record Club version. The two may not seem particularly different at first listen, but an A/B comparison shows that they are different recordings. The vocals are very close, but the real giveaway is the bass, which differs noticeably (there are also a couple of flubbed bass notes on the World Record Club version.) The World Record Club's cold ending has the strings ending just after the final banjo pick at the end, whereas those strings continue on for another 2-plus seconds on the Capitol 45/UK hit. My Capitol 45 does match the version on the 2004 UK import CD, The Seekers A's B's & EP's (EMI 23459 68182), which was part of an all-mono series, the covers of which all had the word "mono" in very large letters. The UK CD track does run slightly slower than the Capitol 45's 2:36. The same UK EMI CD also contains the mono mix of "A World Of Our Own" that matches the US Capitol 45, with its prominent acoustic guitar at the very beginning and an autoharp audible, but in the background. On the Capitol Collectors Series stereo mix, the tables are turned and the autoharp really overpowers the acoustic guitar at the beginning. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 30 June 2015 at 4:07pm
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I should also mention that are two different versions of
the Capitol Collector's Series CD. The 1992 version features the early version of MTR which was not the hit single version in the UK and the U.S. The liner notes were in error in that case. But in 1998 Bob Hyde remastered the CD for Collectables and that remaster contains the hit 1966 recording. Here are some comments from the BSN board from Tony Watson about this issue: The version actually released on single in the US is the group's 1966 remake for EMI, as I had always thought (my post #17). I've now listened to 3 other US copies in case my reference copy was a one-off and they are all identical. It is also the same version released in England on EMI's Columbia label - single #DB 8060. The 1992 Capitol Collectors CD contains the 1964 WRC recording (it's fairly narrow stereo there, as it is on other CDs containing that version), however it is not the version released on single in either country (unless there were 2 different singles issued in the US??). On the other hand, the Bob Hyde remastered Capitol Collectors CD reissued by Collectables in 1998 does use the correct US single version (it's wider stereo), so either someone at that company has realised the error, or a customer has pointed it out to them. To my knowledge, the first version of MTR was only ever issued in Australia on a single. The two versions are fairly easy to distinguish with a number of differences, one being the fuller sounding orchestra on the EMI recording. Even on the opening notes, as the mandolin is being plucked, the orchestra can clearly be heard in the background. One of the most noticeable differences can be found in the first verse of the song in the line "Sandman swings the lantern to show that all is well...". On the EMI recording, Judith Durham sings those 2 words "to show" in a very compacted way....almost as though it's one word. On the WRC recording however, she sings them more 'stretched out' - sorry I can't think of another word to describe it, other than there is more separation between them. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 30 June 2015 at 6:04pm
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Thanks for chiming in on "Morningtown Ride," Markie! Before posting, I did check the AllMusic Guide's review of the Collectors Series CD, which did mention the Collectables reissue and the fact that some of the original Capitol CD's liner notes were out of date, but then went on to add that the reissue included the original World Record Club version of "MTR." So much for trusting non-T40MOCD sources. :)
I did notice what the BSN commenter indicated as Judith's "stretched out singing" differences between the two versions, later in the song. I believe around here, that's known as the "Bus Goes/Busgoes" Phenomenon. :) |