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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Subject: Ron’s Hot 100 library
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 11:00am
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As many of you know, I have an ongoing project to upgrade my personal library to include the best-sounding versions of everything that hit the Hot 100. Best-sounding, at least, to my ears.
My (free and highly recommended) tagging program, Mp3tag, generates HTML files for the directories, so I thought I'd post the files for these years. Each file represents my personal Hot 100 library for a particular year, ranked according to the 2005 edition of Joel Whitburn's Pop Annual book. At present, I've worked my way through the Hot 100 years 1981-1993, with more years to come. I attempted to include all the different versions of each song released at the time, including LP, commercial 45, and promo 45. Where I could, I used relatively common CDs that I own or owned at some point; I don't have access to every CD ever released. I've relied heavily on some fellow collectors for many of these, especially for most of the tracks from the lower rungs of the chart. I will update this original post as needed, each time I add a new year. I will update the files periodically, as well, so that they're mostly current (if not 100% current). If you find these types of lists interesting, then enjoy! http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1966-001-130.htm - 1966 (only positions 001-130) http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1967-001-116.htm - 1967 (only positions 001-116) http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1968-001-127.htm - 1968 (only positions 001-127) http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1969.htm - 1969 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1970.htm - 1970 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1971.htm - 1971 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1972.htm - 1972 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1973.htm - 1973 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1974.htm - 1974 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1975.htm - 1975 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1976.htm - 1976 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1977.htm - 1977 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1978.htm - 1978 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1979.htm - 1979 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1980.htm - 1980 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1981.htm - 1981 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1982.htm - 1982 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1983.htm - 1983 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1984.htm - 1984 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1985.htm - 1985 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1986.htm - 1986 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1987.htm - 1987 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1988.htm - 1988 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1989.htm - 1989 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1990.htm - 1990 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1991.htm - 1991 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1992.htm - 1992 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1993.htm - 1993 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1994.htm - 1994 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1995.htm - 1995 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1996.htm - 1996 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1997.htm - 1997 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1998.htm - 1998 http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1999.htm - 1999 ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 5:56am
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Awesome!
I've always valued your choices for "best dubs". This page is now bookmarked. Andy |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 9:07am
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Wow, this list is great! I got 1/3 the way through the 1st year (1981) and realized I had to bookmark this, too. Great info in here - about versions I didn't know, etc. I'm definitely going to have questions for you as I go through this. First one:
Is the single mix of "Every Little Thing She Does is Magic" finally on CD?? What's "Ones On 1"? Also, if you add more years, can I suggest you go back through the '70s (79, 78, etc.) ... or forward? :) That would be an incredible list, too! |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 11:52am
Full disclosure: I don't own "Ones On 1", which is a BBC anniversary compilation from 1988 that includes 32 songs that hit #1 in the UK from 1967-1988. I found a tagged lossless track from another collector's collection, which says that it came from "Ones On 1", but I can't verify. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
EdisonLite wrote:Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 2:20pm
| Yes, it is, I own it. "Ones on 1" is an old UK compilation -- there's a ton of them on Ebay UK. |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 10:03pm
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Wow, what an amazingly thorough list. I noticed a few
clarifications/corrections here & there on some lower charting singles: 1981 300 ; Talking Out Of Turn [probably 45 version] Moody Blues 04:12 singles+ ]The version on the Singles CD isn't the U.S. 45 version. The LP version can be edited to replicate the U.S. 45 but I have yet to hear the U.S. 45 edit on CD. 1981 313 ; Medley II [45 version] Stars On 45 05:08 Very Best Of, with RG edits at 2.57, 4.32 and 4.39 then sped up by 2.3pct To be 100% accurate, the 45 version of Medley II has one very brief section unique to the vinyl 45. It's occurs at about the 2:54 point with the last guitar strum of "A Hard Day's Night" before the segue into "Please Please Me". The LP version differs on that segue because the "Things We Said Today" segment starts before the next downbeat. There's about .4 seconds that are unique to the 45. 1988 245 ; Never Can Say Goodbye Communards 04:28 Now 1987 This isn't the U.S. 45 version. It might be the U.K. 45 version. The U.S. 45 version runs 4:01 and I have never found it on any CD. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 14 March 2014 at 12:29am
This seems too good to be true. I've been looking for the single mix since the '80s, and according to all I'm reading here, it's been on CD since 1988 (!) and it's really the single mix (!), and is it really from tape and not cleaned vinyl (!) ? Please tell me I'm not dreaming :) |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 14 March 2014 at 9:43am
+1 on that!!! It must have been an incredible amount of work to put this together. Looking thru the 1983 (one of my favorite years for music) list, I notice a couple missing 12" versions..."Tell Her About It" and "I'll Tumble 4 Ya". If you need dubs of these let me know... |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 14 March 2014 at 9:50am
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Another 1981 correction for your benefit, Ron. "I Ain't Gonna Stand For It" from the At The Close Of A Century box is also the LP version. The LP version has overdubs that aren't on the 45, but the 45 is gettable through Motown Year By Year 1980.
http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3917 &KW=i+ain%27t+gonna ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 14 March 2014 at 10:41am
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Thanks for the corrections! I really appreciate the amazing amount of information that we have, collectively, here in the forum. If you see something amiss or incomplete in the big lists, please post here so I can fix it. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 14 March 2014 at 5:33pm
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Another correction:
1984 147 ; The Runner [probably 45 version] Manfred Mann's Earth Band 03:42 &nb sp; The Complete Greatest Hits Of Manfred Mann 1963-2003 Disc 2 That's not the correct 45 version on this disc (although the running time is suspiciously close to the 45 version). The U.S. 45 truncates much of the intro from LP version, with a shorter fade-in and the vocal starting at about :07.5. The 45 fades out earlier than the LP version for a running time of about 3:38 (hard to time exactly due to fade-ins/outs). It doesn't have any other edits besides the fade-in/fade-out differences. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 14 March 2014 at 6:27pm
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With Brian's help, I can tell this is definitely the single mix and definitely from tape. And since the UK "Ones on 1" CD was so affordable, and now that I've confirmed this is the right mix from tape, I bought the used CD on ebay - totalling $3.86 - and that includes Airmail postage to the US! There's one more left at that price, if anyone here is interested.
I can't believe this has been on CD since '88! Geesh! Great detective work by Brian, tracking this mix down with discogs. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 03 April 2014 at 4:53pm
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I started work on 1980, with the first 100 tracks listed above. Please inspect at your convenience, and please send me corrections.
I've also updated the other years to include corrections and additions. I think I still have to address a few of the above corrections from this thread, though... ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 21 May 2014 at 7:05am
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Finally finished up 1980:
http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1980.htm - 1980 Corrections are welcome. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 22 June 2014 at 8:38pm
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I finished 1994:
http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1994.htm - 1994 As always, corrections are welcome. I updated all the other files as well. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 17 April 2015 at 7:18pm
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Just a set of updates, and the addition of 1979 and 1995.
(See original post.) ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 27 August 2015 at 5:45am
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More updates, and the addition of 1978. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 27 August 2015 at 8:33am
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Ron, thanks so much for posting these lists...you know how much I'm diggin' them!
I hope you'll continue to work your way backwards thru the 1970s (and forward thru the 1990s):) |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 27 August 2015 at 11:26am
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Glad you can use them, Paul.
Up next is 1996-1999, with a lot of help from Chuck M. These probably won't be much help for selecting which version sounds the best, because we're trying to assemble as much as we can from promo CD singles and other primary sources. After that, I'll be able to back at least as far as 1974, thanks to Chuck M. and a few others. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 28 August 2015 at 5:12am
| Great news, Ron! Looking forward to more years. |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 28 August 2015 at 12:59pm
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Thanks for the mention, Ron! I've certainly enjoyed
working on this project.... |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 05 January 2016 at 7:15pm
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Latest update, including 1977 and 1996, plus significant upgrades to lotsa tracks in the other years.
Please let me know of any errors or omissions that you find. Thanks, as always, to Chuck M., Aaron K., Chuck G., and a bunch of you on the board! ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 17 February 2016 at 9:28am
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Latest update to include 1997.
The multiple versions for each song are starting to wear me down; there are nearly 1000 tracks included on the list. I denoted the version that's used on Top Hits USA's promo discs to be the "hit version". ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: ptgraphics
Date Posted: 20 February 2016 at 7:47pm
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Incredible stuff. Really. I have spent hours going through just a few of the
years and trying to figure out what I have as regards to single edits, etc. For the 45 edits, I can't believe how many just in a quick glance in some of the years might not be on CD yet. Is there any way to export your lists out as a Excel file or whatever to make it easier to find a particular artist or song in a year? Thanks again for all the work you and the contributors put into this. Pat |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 20 February 2016 at 10:30pm
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Happy to share, Pat.
There's no way any one person could possibly have gone through all this source material alone. I attempted to do this alone before I met the guys here on the board, but there were too many holes in my collection, and too many versions that I was completely unaware of. I think the 1996-and-later years are still missing a ton of CD single versions, just because those CD singles are the only places to find them, and none of us has the 400+ CD singles that charted every year. Point being: If I can save you a little work downstream, I'm happy to do so. I'm eternally grateful for the good people on this board, and more than happy to give back when I can. As for searching through the list, try CTRL-F to find what you're looking for. That works very nicely for web pages and HTML files. The Mp3tag program also exports to .csv and possibly Excel formats, but I haven't really needed them thus far. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: ptgraphics
Date Posted: 20 February 2016 at 11:48pm
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Thanks for the info. Never knew about the OPTION-F (Mac) on a web page. I
was also able to copy the text and get into something I can view by Artist, etc. My main collecting stops around 1992 or so. I have a hundred or so CD Singles from the mid 90's that I have never listened to, not my type of music. Was bought as part of a bigger collection. If I can help plug some holes I will. I have thousands of 45's, many new-old-stock, but have been on a kick trying to collect CD singles as of late. Pat |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 01 March 2016 at 12:20pm
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Ron knows how much I love this invaluable resource he's put together. I understand what a chore the 1990s stuff must be, but I hope you'll continue forward. Of course, I also hope you'll keep going backwards thru the 1970s (at least there's not so many different versions to deal with).
I did notice that you don't have the promo version of "Swayin' To The Music (Slow Dancin')" by Johnny Rivers from 1977 listed. I've never been able to track down a digital version of the promo single. I understand there's a somewhat clumsy edit on that one, but I'd still like to have it. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 01 March 2016 at 2:24pm
Paul, just to clarify: it's only the original Soul City 008 promo 45 - titled "Slow Dancin'" - that has the edited mono side. The reissue on Big Tree 16094 - titled "Swayin' To The Music (Slow Dancin')" - contains the unedited version on both sides of the mono/stereo DJ 45, as well as the stock 45. Since the record didn't chart on the Hot 100 until Big Tree picked it up, one could argue that the initial Soul City mono edit wasn't the "hit." I won't, but some may. I should also add (and it was my "clunky edit" comment back in the Stone Age on the "Swayin' To The Music" thread) that it isn't that the second edit, near the end of the record, is all that clunky; it's just that it would have sounded less obvious, had that edit been made a mere 2.5 seconds later. Paul, had you ridden your bike down to Heilicher Brothers back in 1977, I would have been more than happy to have handed you a copy of the Soul City 008 promo 45. What kept you? ;) |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 01 March 2016 at 3:19pm
| Thanks for all the extra details, Yah Sure! I'm glad we've got e-mail nowadays, that would've been quite a trek on my Huffy for my 11 year-old self back in 1977:) |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 13 March 2016 at 2:11pm
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One more year completed - http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1998.htm - 1998
Chuck M. did most of the work assembling the tracks for this one. I just tidied up the filenames and tags. As always, please let me know if you find any omissions or errors. The late '90s are deeply unenjoyable for me. I'd given up on pop radio about this time, and don't have much of a personal connection to most of these songs. Assembling the 1998 library is made much more unpleasant due to the promo CD singles including pointless multiple versions of every song. At the time, Top Hits USA listed what version of song they used, but they would frequently add silence at the end or hasten the fade. I wasn't patient enough to do side-by-side comparisons for many of these, and it's very possible that the Top Hits USA version matches one of the others on the list. I used the designation of "hit version" to indicate which version Top Hits USA used. I will hack my way through 1999, then go back to the '70s. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 13 March 2016 at 2:26pm
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I've been slowly trying to replace the Top Hits files I
have from 1994-2004. The earlier fades and 'tones' placed at the end of files were very annoying to me. Thank goodness I came across the ability to subscribe to PrimeCuts in early 2005 from (then TM Century.) No early fades and no tones! |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 13 March 2016 at 3:25pm
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Yeah, virtually everyone else was a better choice than Top Hits USA for sound quality: Hot Hits, Spotlight On Hits, Promo Only, TM Century, Hitmakers, Network 40... None of those other discs have any early fades, or cue tones.
(All the Top Hits USA discs have an inaudible 20 KHz tone in the left channel at the end of the song. Those tones were originally set up to trigger an automation system, which is kinda neat, but mostly annoying.) ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 11 November 2016 at 8:18am
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Updated to include 1976!
http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1976.htm - 1976 As always, please send additions/corrections. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 12 November 2016 at 6:37am
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Awesome job as always, Ron!
I knew you were getting close when your delved into the Sweeney Todd situation:) Looking forward (backward) to 1975. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 12 November 2016 at 12:14pm
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1976 was far more interesting than 1998.
There were charted singles called "Let 'Em In" (Wings), "Let Her In" (John Travolta), and "Let Me In" (Derringer). There were three songs that were hits only after a non-hit 45 mix flopped: "Love To Love You Baby" (Donna Summer), "I'll Be Good To You" (Brothers Johnson), and "Dream On" (Aerosmith). There were two songs that each charted twice, with two different recordings by the same artist: "Ode To Billie Joe" (Bobbie Gentry) and "Roxy Roller" (Sweeney Todd, with two different lead singers on the chart entries!) There were four songs that charted for multiple artists: "Heart On My Sleeve" (Gallagher And Lyle, Bryan Ferry), "Love Hangover" (Diana Ross, Fifth Dimension), "Save Your Kisses For Me" (Brotherhood Of Man, Bobby Vinton), and "You To Me Are Everything" (Real Thing, Broadway, Revelation - three versions!). There were charted singles from older Motown acts: the Miracles ("Love Machine"), the Supremes ("I'm Gonna Let My Heart Do The Walking" and "You're My Driving Wheel") and the Temptations ("Up The Creek (Without A Paddle)"). There were even two songs with months in the title: "January" (Pilot) and "December 1963 (Oh What A Night)" (Four Seasons). Throw in a bunch of novelty songs and instrumentals, and you've got a pretty solid year! Yay, 1976! Looking forward to 1975! ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 12 November 2016 at 2:47pm
I never noticed that. I have a bunch of those from the mid-ish 90s, I'll have to check it out. I was working at a station in late '93-early '94, and I remember the discs we used would increment the index # at what would be a segue and cut points. Must have been for CD jukeboxes, I've never seen a manual deck that utilized that. It was either TM HitDiscs or the Jones equivalent (we used a combination of the two services). |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 12 November 2016 at 2:58pm
Yikes! I scanned thru this page and am amazed at how many of these songs I'm completely unfamilar with. And I was music director/PM drive jock on a CHR at the time!! Granted, we were a very pop/rock CHR...we played very little rhythmic/urban stuff, and most of what we did play was dayparted to nights, even that was often edited. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 13 November 2016 at 4:47am
| I really started getting into Top 40 radio in 1974 (at the tender age of 8)! My twin brothers are 6 years older than me, so I got a good head start. In September of 1974, me and my one older brother started keeping track of AT40 every week and by 1975 we started keeping our own stats. So, my "sweet spot" for Pop music really began in earnest in 1975. If you loved 1976, I think you'll also dig 1975...lots of great variety from some great artists. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 13 November 2016 at 3:02pm
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I was intrigued to find in the 1976 list, the amount of
lower charting songs that had 45 versions that I was unaware of. I'll have to ask you the differenes in songs like "Dog Eat Dog" from Ted Nugent and others. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 16 February 2017 at 8:43pm
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Updated to include 1975.
http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1975.htm - 1975 As always, please send additions/corrections. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 28 May 2017 at 7:45pm
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So it seems to take me three months to crank through a year of chart entries...
Updated to include 1974. http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1974.htm - 1974 ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 29 May 2017 at 4:32am
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Ron, thanks as always for posting this invaluable info!
I know that the lower chart dregs are starting to get tougher for you, but I sincerely hope that you'll at least consider doing everything that hit the Top 40 (or Top 50) for each year going backwards in time. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 29 May 2017 at 7:20am
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I notice you're missing a couple promo edits from '74:
"You & Me Against The World"-Helen Reddy (no child's voice) "Don't You Worry 'Bout A Thing"-Stevie Wonder (no spoken gibberish on intro) Lemme know if you need dubs... |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 29 May 2017 at 10:15am
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Yes - please send.
Removing the chatter would most certainly help the Helen Reddy song, but would drain some of the fun out of Stevie's song. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 29 May 2017 at 10:40am
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I have "Tin Man" on AM Gold 1974, labeled as the 45
version with no crossover from the previous song. I don't believe the 45 had the crossover. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 29 May 2017 at 10:52am
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I believe that the 45 did have the crossover, but I don't have the vinyl to confirm. I know that some of the other tracks on the History album were remixed for that album.
For America's "Tin Man", the following discs all use the same analog transfer as History America's Greatest Hits (copyright 1975):
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 29 May 2017 at 2:08pm
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I stand corrected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtp6vAdhvZs |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 29 May 2017 at 2:11pm
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Would the AM Gold 1974 listing then be considered to be
neither the 45 or LP version? |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 29 May 2017 at 2:37pm
So why not swap the child's part on the Reddy record with Stevie's spoken bit and vice versa? Double the fun! ;) Great work, Ron! And yes, "Tin Man" definitely has the segue vestiges left at the beginning of the 45. I put my foot in my mouth over that same assertion in an earlier thread, as in "listen first, then post. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 04 November 2017 at 7:41pm
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Slow going for 1973; apparently I had a lot of other stuff going on from May to November.
Updated to include 1973: http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1973.htm - 1973 I've updated all the lists from 1973-1998, too. (Links above.) Up next: I'm going to go through the '80s top 40 hits (not the whole Hot 100) and make sure my notation is consistent with the database. 1972 will wait a little while. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 05 November 2017 at 11:36am
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I have a mp3 dub of the mono 45 for Bad, Bad Leroy
Brown. This may have been a mono mix, same as You Don't Mess Around With Jim from 1972. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 05 November 2017 at 11:37am
| Oh, great detective work once again on your lists, Ron. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 17 December 2018 at 8:30am
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So it took over a year to get through 1972! (This does not bode well for the 1960s...)
http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1972.htm - 1972 I've updated the first post in the thread, and updated the 1973-1998 files as well. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 17 December 2018 at 6:37pm
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BTW Ron I enjoyed your recent radio shows where you featured only 1972 tracks. A pretty good year with many cool tunes. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 18 December 2018 at 4:33am
I've SO been waiting for this update! Hopefully you can finish the 1960s before your little guy starts college. :) |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 19 December 2018 at 12:37pm
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Paul,
Me too. It only gets a bit more complicated from here with the mono/stereo crossover in the 1969-1971 period and the much harder to find mono mixes. The fact that 1972-1998 has been done is a testament to Ron's ability to catalogue, evaluate and assemble. As I have communicated to Ron, my mono project will give him the needed assistance to fill in a majority of the gaps in the top 40. The 1960's beyond the top 40 is where Ron will most likely have the greatest difficulty. No one has even attempted to assemble hits that were put to CD because most years have 300 top 40 hits in the 1960's (if they are available at all). Most of that stuff is on 45's and has not seen the digital age yet. |
Posted By: ptgraphics
Date Posted: 26 June 2020 at 8:14pm
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I just want to say I still am so grateful that this list exists. I use it all the time to
figure out what edits or LP versions I have on various old compilations I have. I know it hasn't been updated in a while but I need to go back through and see what changes were made in late 2018 to the lists. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 27 June 2020 at 4:15am
| Patiently waiting for the 1971 list. Ron's lists are invaluable for any serious music collector. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 27 June 2020 at 4:57pm
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I'm glad you guys are getting some use out of the big lists. They're easy to generate, so I should probably update them more often.
I refreshed the 1972-1998 links from the original post. For Paul, here's what I have so far of http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1971.htm - 1971 . It's only #1 to #380, so I have quite a way to go to reach the lowest rungs of the Hot 100. I have to find time and motivation to get to the end. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: ptgraphics
Date Posted: 27 June 2020 at 7:30pm
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Quick question. I thought I read the Omigod! box set wasn't that great
sounding but you mention it a lot in the listings, mainly for the 45 versions. Is this because this was the best source you had at the time or is the Omigod! set really that good sounding? |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 27 June 2020 at 8:48pm
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I went with Like Omigod because it was the best source that I have. There may be better sources out there.
I won't talk you out of buying any Rhino releases. Overall, they're terrific. They tend to use the lowest-generation source tapes out there, and don't use any noise reduction (as far as I know). They tend to be mastered with a little more high end than releases on other record companies, which is OK with me. After about 1996, some of their masterings got a little loud, to compete with other releases in the "loudness wars." The Like Omigod came out in 2002, and was truly valuable for a handful of tracks that hadn't seen a CD release before that. Hope that helps. If you want more info, I have a little section on my https://crapfromthepast.com/compactdiscs/index.htm - website dedicated to CDs and compilations. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 28 June 2020 at 8:40am
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Ron, I just took a quick peak at 1971 and I'm very impressed with all the mono/stereo
differences you listed! What do we have to do to motivate you to get more years done?!? |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 28 June 2020 at 9:57am
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Eliminate my need to sleep! Or to do my day job. Or spend time with my family.
Honestly, the music stuff was much easier to do before we had our son four years ago. For the mono/stereo designations, I leaned heavily on the info in Pat's database. There's a mountain of great info in there. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: ptgraphics
Date Posted: 28 June 2020 at 5:38pm
Great info. Much appreciated. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 30 June 2020 at 7:14pm
I agree Paul, I have always been impressed with how detailed Ron's work is assembling year by year. The easy answer is to clone Ron 10 times so he can finish his assembly, have time to work and for his kids! Seriously Ron, would tackling the 60's be feasible? I can say your lists are one of the true unheralded resources of the 1971-1998 era. I owe you for all the hard work that you helped inspire by organizing them all together. Thanks again for doing such a fantastic job! ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: RamapoGrad
Date Posted: 30 June 2020 at 8:21pm
Amazingly comprehensive listing. Still waiting for that DJ Edit of "Nights on Broadway" to make it to CeeDee. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 02 July 2020 at 1:24pm
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I've always preferred the DJ edit of "Nights On Broadway"
though, in 1975, I believe stations in my area played both the edit and the commercial 45 version. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 30 August 2020 at 6:55am
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I noticed a couple things. First, the 372nd biggest hit of 1982 was
"Baby, Come to Me", by Patti Austin w/James Ingram. It's sandwiched between "Piece of My Heart" and "Situation". I do see it’s under 1983 tho when it was re-released. You got two songs listed as the 363rd biggest hit of 1982: "How Can I Live Without Her", and "Make Up Your Mind". One of those should've been the 363rd biggest hit and one should've been the 362nd biggest hit. Then I see that there is no 361st biggest hit listed. It skips from 362 to 360. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 01 September 2020 at 6:54pm
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Thanks to music4life175, I fixed a numbering inconsistency in 1982.
I'd originally compiled 1982 using an earlier version of the Pop Annual book. The 8th edition includes "1999" and "Baby Come To Me", whereas the earlier version only listed those songs in 1983 when they were rereleased. I renumbered all the tracks from #240 onward, and updated the link in the original post. Thanks to bringing the error to my attention! (Please feel free to point out typos or other errors, too.) ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 18 September 2020 at 3:18pm
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The reissue of Winger’s debut album includes a 1991 remix of Headed
For A Heartbreak (3:37) (single release in 1989), while the reissue of In The Heart Of The Young includes an edited version of Can’t Get Enuff (3:34) (single release 1991). My sources are down below. https://www.discogs.com/Winger-Winger/release/6327281 https://www.discogs.com/Winger-In-The-Heart-Of-The- Young/release/6346818 |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 02 November 2020 at 8:39am
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1971 is now complete:
http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1971.htm - 1971 I've also updated the original post to include the 1971 link. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Michaeldila
Date Posted: 02 November 2020 at 11:25am
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thanks for your hard work, ron. your lists have always been very
helpful! |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 03 November 2020 at 5:31am
By late 1975 AM top 40's were beginning to feel the competition from FM, most of which at the time played album versions (even the FM Top 40s). Obviously, they couldn't play the LP versions of "Freebird" or "Do You Feel Like We Do", but some of the pop stuff, yes. Even the AMs were trying to get in on the act, playing a handful of album versions and positioning themselves as the "album station". When I was a DJ, there were lots of songs that I didn't realize that the commercial single was different from the promo unless I bought a copy...not all unique promo versions were noted on the label. Still finding out about some of them today. A bit surprised some music directors back then took the time to discover that. FWIW, I prefer the promo edit of NOB myself. |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 18 November 2020 at 8:27pm
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Whoaaa! I've been awed! This looks like some Nth degree detail on your part. Congratulations on the project, "In Process." ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: garye
Date Posted: 27 November 2020 at 9:42pm
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Again, Kudos to all your hard work on these lists!
A great guide! One question: "Draggin The Line" from Tommy James, were any of those on the list refer to the Promo of the song where the horns are phased sounding with some reverb added. That was promo only at the time, but did appear a year later on some of those golden oldie hit packages licensed to Radio Stations to sell back then. The Promo version finally showed up on the Anthology in 2007. Is the list referring to that version then? |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 12 December 2020 at 10:28am
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“Why Me?” by Planet P apparently has a promo single editt.
https://youtu.be/DL4MEY2IGnk |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 30 April 2021 at 3:00pm
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1970 is now complete:
http://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1970.htm - 1970 I've also updated the original post to include the 1970 link. I gave a massive upgrade to all the years 1970-1998, including lots of 12" extended versions, and including many more oddball versions of '90s tracks that were on the CD singles. It works out to about a thousand tracks per year. It's a lot. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 30 April 2021 at 7:39pm
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Your journey into the 1960's era may take you many many years. If I recall some years entire Hot 100's are 700 songs deep. I doubt most of that lower stuff at 70-100 even made a CD. 1968 and 1969's top 10 are two of my favorites.
I would be interested to know how many of the 1968 and 1969 positions 41-100 are available in stereo? I wish you best of luck in your endeavors :) ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: ptgraphics
Date Posted: 01 April 2023 at 11:31am
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Once again, some incredible info in this thread. Is this project still ongoing
or has it reached the end. Thanks again! Pat |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 01 April 2023 at 12:30pm
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Pat - I took about two years off from this project, so I could upgrade the Discogs pages for most of the Time-Life and mail-order compilation CDs. (I edited more than 1,000 pages.)
As of now, it's very much alive again. I'm currently working on the year 1999, which should be done in a few weeks. I plan to revisit 1970-1998 (in reverse chronological order), and add in the Bubbling Unders using the same numbering scheme as the Hot 100 tracks. Thanks to some contributors from this forum, I have over 6,000 new tracks to add in to my folders. It will take me some time to sort through all this - probably a full year. After that, the goal is to attempt to do the same for 1969, 1968, and so forth. I love the late '60s, so I'm looking forward to getting through everything else! Stay tuned... ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: ptgraphics
Date Posted: 02 April 2023 at 7:21am
| Thanks for the updated info. |
Posted By: whyaduck
Date Posted: 02 April 2023 at 8:09am
Amazing accomplishment! |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 02 April 2023 at 12:20pm
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Ron, your library notes have helped so many of us locate
and purchase what we need to get the true and best sounding 45 and LP versions and edits. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 01 May 2023 at 1:09pm
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Here's 1999 - https://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1999.htm - https://crapfromthepast.com/hot100/1999.htm ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: kaqueno
Date Posted: 01 May 2023 at 2:28pm
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Amazing Ron!!!! ------------- Marcelo - Argentina https://www.mixcloud.com/marcelo-guzman4/ - https://www.discogs.com/user/kaqueno/collection |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 9:34pm
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Ron,
For Whitney Houston's It's Not Right It's Okay I can tell you that the TM Century radio edit you list is not the "hit version" that was played on radio in 1999. The "hit version" is the Thunderpuss 2000 Radio Mix which got extensive airplay in New York and other markets. From 1999 to about 2003 the "remix" sometimes was the hit version. It happens with Tamia's Stranger In My House as well as other Top 10 singles, even 2000's Amber Sexual. Hope that helps. For reference here is the youtube video of the "hit version" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cLsIHZvySw - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cLsIHZvySw ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 05 May 2023 at 6:45am
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For these directories, I use Top Hits USA's files or TM Century's files to determine what to label as the "hit version".
I don't doubt that NY radio played that remix, but I can't keep track of what was played on which stations in which markets. There have been instances of different versions being played in different markets going all the way back to Amy Grant's "Baby Baby". Or Sting's "If You Love Somebody Set Them Free". Or even "The Safety Dance". To make my life simpler, I just list what the radio-servicing company (or companies) thought the hit was. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 05 May 2023 at 9:09am
Labeling something a "hit version" in this era is misleading. Unlike 1985 or 1991 numerous markets played numerous versions. Just because its from TM Century does not make it a hit version. As for the Safety Dance I never heard the short version that is on every comp only the one where they spell it out. That example is out of context for the 1999-2009 period as numerous remixes got airplay. Sometimes they overtook the regular single version. Just as an example in 1999 I Still Believe by Mariah Carey I heard the Morales Club Mix Edit. I also heard the slow version. I am just saying labeling something a "hit version" is a misnomer when applied to later 90's and early 2000's hits. Better you leave off the labels of "hit version" from 1999 onward as many mixes/edits got airplay. Picking one over the other is a fruitless endeavor as I see it. ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 05 May 2023 at 10:46am
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I respectfully disagree; I believe that there's value in having one mix, out of five or ten different mixes, that's labeled "hit". If I'm going to play the song now, 20+ years after it was popular, I'm going to reach for the version that was the "hit". And if I don't know offhand which was the most popular at the time (and that's true for just about everything after 1995 or so in these folders), I'm going to reach for what was sent to radio at the time. I've made it clear where the "hit" designation comes from, so there isn't any ambiguity.
I'm not going to cover the 2000's in these folders, so there won't be any issues with those years. I'll be revisiting 1998, 1997, and so forth, until I reach the 1960s. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: ptgraphics
Date Posted: 05 May 2023 at 11:25am
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Thanks again for all your work on this. I tap out in the mid 90s or so. I use
your listings mainly to know what song maybe had an edit or remix that I didn’t know about and see if have it. A lot of times Discogs does not list songs on comps or whatever that are edits or remixes, usually it’s just the song length. When I rip my CDs that info doesn’t always come over either. So I sometimes use your lists to check to see what I have for any particular song. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 05 May 2023 at 11:56am
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I was out of radio by 1999, but in the bar I was working in
then, I seem to recall spinning the Thunderpuss edit. I was just over on Discogs and came across this 1 track promo CD single which mentions that this is the version that's calling out and working for Top 40 Mainstream. https://www.discogs.com/release/12256004-Whitney-Houston- Its-Not-Right-But-Its-Okay ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 05 May 2023 at 1:49pm
The labeling of a version as a "hit" is subjective in 1999 and subsequent years to your interpretation. It is a lot easier in 1986, 1976, 1966 and 1956 I give you that. There are almost always 2 versions which got extensive airplay at times even in 1995. Missing by ETBG is a perfect example. I heard the slow version off the LP and the Todd Terry Mix Edit. They are both the "hit" version but the one that garnered airplay and almost dethroned Mariah and Boyz II Men was the Todd Terry Remix Edit, not the slow version. I'm trying to say that while your opinion is nice to have and might be rational, labeling something a "hit version" compounds a greater problem when other versions also got airplay. If I applied your logic then Old Town Road without Billie Ray Cyrus would be the hit version because it was put out to radio. It went to #1 for one week and was serviced to radio. Then the remix came and was on top of Billboard another 18 weeks. Ron, both are the "hit version" but the Billie Ray Cyrus is the one that was way more popular on the radio. It also discounts that radio was sent the remix radio edits which got played often from 1999 on. We agree to disagree. Leaving the "hit version" out of the tags is a better option is all I am saying and one you should consider at least for 1999. ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 05 May 2023 at 1:54pm
I never heard the radio edit or LP version of the song back then. If radio had a shinny new remix to play they did. Especially for Mariah and Whitney who were super-huge stars at that time. ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 06 May 2023 at 8:58am
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Much of this depends on where you were living. A large city like NYC with a big dance/club scene would likely go with a dance
mix vs smaller cities where a more pop mix would go over better. I was music director for a CHR in 1999, and I couldn't tell you what versions of what songs we played almost 25 years later. Sometimes we'd alternate or daypart different versions too. |
Posted By: AutumnAarilyn
Date Posted: 06 May 2023 at 8:26pm
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You should play both versions and that way the song doesn't
burn out as quick. |
Posted By: Kiefer2
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 9:19am
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I remember listening to "The Howard Stern Show" at the time
"It's Not Right" was a hit and he sent an intern out to buy the cd because he liked the track. When he played it on the show he was all "What the hell is this?!" because he was used to hearing the Thunderpuss edit on the radio. Cue the mini tirade about record company ridiculousness... |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 07 January 2024 at 4:56pm
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Added links for 1969, 1998, and 1999 in the original post.
Enjoy! ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 13 December 2024 at 12:58pm
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I added a link for 1967 (only positions 1-100) and updated a link for 1968 (only positions 1-96) in the original post.
Enjoy! ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: kaqueno
Date Posted: 16 December 2024 at 12:40pm
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Excellent Ron!!!! thanks ------------- Marcelo - Argentina https://www.mixcloud.com/marcelo-guzman4/ - https://www.discogs.com/user/kaqueno/collection |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 17 February 2025 at 1:24pm
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I added a link for 1966 (only positions 1-130).
Enjoy! ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |