Electric Light Orch - Don’t Bring Me Down
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Topic: Electric Light Orch - Don’t Bring Me Down
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Subject: Electric Light Orch - Don’t Bring Me Down
Date Posted: 18 October 2014 at 9:50pm
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For the search engine: Electric Light Orchestra aka ELO - Don't Bring Me Down
This was ELO's highest-charting single in the US, peaking at #4 in 1979. It's formed around a drum loop taken from another song on the Discovery album ("On The Run") and slowed down. The guy on the Discovery album cover is a very young Brad Garrett, the meaningless word in the chorus is "Grroosss", and that weird sound at the end is the sound of the fire door to the studio slamming shut. So much trivia. In a 2001 interview, Jeff Lynne commented on the song, "It's a great big galloping ball of distortion". I agree. It's never going to sound great. The various CDs that feature the song try to EQ the weirdness as best as they can, but it'll always sound a bit off. The very old promo disc CBS Records Compact Disc Demonstration (1983) runs at 115.2 BPM throughout, and sounds a little dull, but only a little. The early Japan-for-US mastering of Discovery, with matrix number 35DP-24, is ear-bleedingly bright, at least for "Don't Bring Me Down". It runs at 115.0 BPM throughout. Two others that also run at 115.0 BPM and sound similarly bright are:
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Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 17 January 2022 at 11:57am
I just knew that someday I would stumble upon an answer for the years-long burning question, "Was that some kind of cart machine at the end of the song?" I guess they wanted the effect to make it sound like the end of the song had finally arrived. Maybe not. Cool info though! ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
crapfromthepast wrote:Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 17 January 2022 at 1:18pm
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I've been singing "Bruce" instead of "Grroosss" for over
four decades. Very cool info indeed. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 17 January 2022 at 5:50pm
Is this the 1979 disc identical to the Sounds Of The Seventies "'70s Dance Party 1979" disc? Seems to have all the same tracks. ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 18 January 2022 at 6:45am
That's what I always heard too. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 18 January 2022 at 8:27am
Yes. Time-Life repackaged Sounds Of The Seventies 1979 as Seventies Dance Party 1979 and later as Ultimate Seventies 1979. Same track listing, same mastering. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 18 January 2022 at 1:55pm
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FWIW, I just checked a dozen masterings out in the wild, and have to agree that the Time-Life mastering is the best overall. I believe it was by Dennis Drake?
If you like the mastering of Led Zeppelin albums or Low-era Bowie, you might like https://www.discogs.com/release/7081102-Electric-Light-Orchestra-Discovery - the Discovery 1993 gold disc (ZK 64646). The mastering is not an authentic "ELO on LP" sound, and definitely not the sound of 1979, but the extra emphasis they gave to the drums & vocals is enjoyable in a 70s rock-radio kind of way. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 18 January 2022 at 2:37pm
Bill Inglot was involved with this disc, and a handful of the early Sounds Of The Seventies series. The credits in the booklets are a little dicey regarding who actually mastered them: Bill Inglot is mentioned only in the Ultimate Seventies booklet, Dennis Drake is credited with mastering the '70s Dance Party disc (and he likely just signed off on the earlier mastering), and the original release just said that it was mastered at MCA Recording Studios in California. Take your pick! Any project that involves Bill Inglot *and* Dennis Drake is going to sound great. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 01 February 2022 at 8:23am
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A note: CD releases of this which are bright (have pre-
emphasis) in their mastering. If your player does not decode pre-emphasis correctly, these discs will be very bright sounding. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 01 February 2022 at 2:51pm
This is something new to me. I don't use a player, I do all the work on a PC with an external USB interface. Will this affect my ripps? The above post made me dig out the CD. I went to the chorus and listened to that too. I never heard Grrross before either. Nor did I hear Brruuce. As artists sometimes tend to just blurt out stuff, I would use Peter Gabriel as a fine example, I just assumed it was a nonsense sound. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 01 February 2022 at 3:24pm
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Dave - Pre-emphasis was used on very early CDs, and was thankfully retired after the mid-'80s. Unless you have a really old CD, it won't be an issue.
If you do a normal rip of a CD with pre-emphasis, it will have a really bright high end and a deficient low-end. It'll sound tinny. There is software out there that can re-EQ a CD rip to compensate for the pre-emphasis, but I don't have any firsthand experience with it. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 01 February 2022 at 4:25pm
Wasn't this due to using tapes originally mastered for the vinyl releases? I've heard that Motown was particularly notorious for this. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 01 February 2022 at 5:25pm
I think the source tapes and the pre-emphasis are two different issues, although both plague some of the first-generation CDs. The internet has a list of CDs that use pre-emphasis, and it's a pretty small list - probably 100 or fewer. I think that ELO CD from above is one of the pre-emphasis CDs, which is why I thought it was ear-bleedingly bright. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 01 February 2022 at 10:25pm
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Indeed, pre-emphasis is an option which can be applied during the digitization of analog tapes. It is not on the analog master tapes, and has nothing to do with the fact that some CDs were made from the wrong production masters.
That said, Dolby A or dbx noise reduction is sometimes encoded onto the analog tapes and does not always get properly decoded when playing the tapes during digitization, and they can end up having a similarly bright sound because of this. But that's less common than pre-emphasis, in my estimation. Also, when I used the word emphasis in reference to the 1993 gold disc of Discovery, I did not mean pre-emphasis. I know what pre-emphasis sounds like and that's not what is on that particular disc. I was just using the word in the general sense. But it is true that at least some of the 1980s pressings of Discovery were mastered with pre-emphasis. http://studio-nibble.com/cd/index.php?title=Pre-emphasis_%28release_list%29 - Lazlo's list of releases suspected of having it hasn't been updated in years, but it does mention those. I believe "Don't Bring Me Down" on ELO's Greatest Hits Vol. Two also has it. There's a https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/pre-emphasis-list.121188/ - Steve Hoffman forum thread where these suspicious CDs are discussed. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 05 February 2022 at 4:48pm
| I never even heard of this "pre-emphasis" issue until reading this post. I did look at the list of CDs that used this - in the link provided above. Quite a few CDs. Does anyone know what year they stopped using Pre-Emphasis? |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 05 February 2022 at 4:51pm
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Trivia - I knew about the "groooos" lyric. (Probably on the album sleeve's lyrics). But I didn't know the guy on the Discover cover is a young Brad Garrett. That's the brother of Raymond in "Everybody Loves Raymond", right? I sort of see the resemblance looking at the album cover now.
<that weird sound at the end is the sound of the fire door to the studio slamming shut.> To me, that did sound simply like a slamming door. Didn't know it was the one in the studio, but that makes sense, as it was the closest door to shut during the recording :) |