Paul Simon-Graceland
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Topic: Paul Simon-Graceland
Posted By: Robert
Subject: Paul Simon-Graceland
Date Posted: 19 April 2015 at 2:47pm
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Would anyone know if there was a 45 edit/version of Graceland? The CD version I have is 4:50 and I have to think there is a shorter one, but I don't have a single. Thanks!
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 19 April 2015 at 4:12pm
There is a promo version that runs (4:00), on the other side of the full-length version. According to Discogs, all US stock singles were the full-length version.
ETA: Ron (crapfromthepast) has both, looking at his 1987 list. Can the promo be extracted from the full-length version?
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Doug
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All of the good signatures have been taken.
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 27 April 2015 at 9:59am
Ron, were you ever able to make the comparison?
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Doug
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All of the good signatures have been taken.
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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 27 April 2015 at 7:42pm
I'm having a really difficult time replicating the intro. It sounds like there should be just one or two edits to shorten the intro, but I can't pin down where they are.
There's an early fade, too.
I realize that's not terribly helpful, but after struggling with this for an hour, I'm ready to call for backup...
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 April 2015 at 8:04pm
There are two edits on the intro. Starting with the LP version from the "Graceland" CD:
1) Pitch up the entire song by about 0.7%.
2) Edit from the downbeat at 6.5 seconds to the downbeat at 14.5 seconds. (If you're counting bass drum beats, the edit occurs on the 13th beat and cuts out 16 bass drum beats.)
3) With what you have remaining, edit on the snare drum at 12.3 seconds, and cut to the last snare drum before the first vocal at 20.1 seconds.
4) Fade out from 3:51 (on the word "Graceland") to 3:59.
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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 27 April 2015 at 8:25pm
Thanks, Aaron!
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 31 May 2015 at 10:53am
I too am having issues with trying to come up with the
DJ promo edit, even with following Aaron's
instructions.
I have a client that's requested this song for dinner
music at their wedding in a few weeks and I would rather
play the promo edit.
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 31 May 2015 at 11:35am
After the pitch up and the first edit, does the edit go
from 12.3 to 30.1 instead of 20.1?
I'm confused.
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 01 June 2015 at 4:57pm
I think you hit on it, John. I think it works if you edit from (:12.36) to (:32.38). I'll forward my version for comparison to your attempt.
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Doug
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All of the good signatures have been taken.
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 01 June 2015 at 8:44pm
It's always hard to replicate a 45 version or promo edit
without an actual source. My usual source (YouTube)
didn't yield even a video or dub of the promo edit.
Doug, yours sounded smoother than mine in the intro. I
got the first edit right, it was the 2nd one that threw
me as I maybe was a hair off.
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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 02 June 2015 at 7:00pm
I got a few questions about this, so I reproduced Aaron's edit, using the remaster of Graceland as the source, and using my notation.
First, pitch up by 0.7%. Then do this:
Segment 1
Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:06.5 of the LP/commercial 45 version and the promo 45 edit, after 0.7% pitch increase
Ends on a bass drum hit
Remove the 32 beats from 0:06.5 to 0:14.6 of the LP/commercial 45 version, after 0.7% pitch increase
Segment 2
Begins on a bass drum hit
23 beats long
Extends from 0:06.5 to 0:12.3 of the promo 45 edit, after 0.7% pitch increase
Extends from 0:14.6 to 0:20.4 of the LP/commercial 45 version, after 0.7% pitch increase
Ends on a snare hit
Remove the 80 beats from 0:20.4 to 0:40.6 of the LP/commercial 45 version, after 0.7% pitch increase
Segment 3
Begins on a snare hit
Extends from 0:12.3 to 3:59.4 of the promo 45 edit, after 0.7% pitch increase
Extends from 0:40.6 to 4:27.6 of the LP/commercial 45 version, after 0.7% pitch increase
Fade
32 beats long
Extends from 3:51.3 to 3:59.4 of the promo 45 edit, after 0.7% pitch increase
Extends from 4:19.5 to 4:27.6 of the LP/commercial 45 version, after 0.7% pitch increase
Your mixdown, after the 0.7% pitch increase, will run 3:59.4, with edits at 0:06.5 and 0:12.3, and a fade from 3:51.3 to 3:59.4.
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 02 June 2015 at 8:45pm
Thanks, Ron. So it appears I hit it pretty close.
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Doug
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 02 June 2015 at 9:04pm
Well, THAT makes sense. :)
The second edit is 20.1 seconds in length from point a
to point b, not the edit at 20.1 seconds in.
Thanks, Ron and Aaron!
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