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Topic: Madonna - The 45 Versions on CD
Posted By: Brian W.
Subject: Madonna - The 45 Versions on CD
Date Posted: 05 January 2005 at 4:20am
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Believe it or not, almost every one of Madonna's regular (meaning two-track) singles have been released as vinyl 45s in the U.S., and all but two of those have appeared on CD in their 45 versions. But some are only available on promos, imports, and out-of-print CDs.
It's important to know, as Pat has noted, that none of the versions on "The Immaculate Collection" are the original mixes, with the exception of "Justify My Love" and "Rescue Me." Everything else was specially remixed for that album in Q-Sound, a short-lived "3D" sound process. Most of the Q-Sound mixes were patterned after the dance remixes of the songs, especially "Holiday," "Like a Virgin," "Into the Groove," "Like a Prayer," and "Express Yourself." Here is a rundown of what's out there if you're willing to look. I have highlighted in red songs where the 45 version has never been issued on a full-length U.S. CD. Holiday – This, Madonna's first Top 40 hit, was her third single (following a 45 and 12-inch of "Everybody" and a 12-inch only for "Burning Up/Physical Attraction"). The 45 of "Holiday" was a 4:06 Edit of the LP version, though the label inaccurately lists it as 3:50. To my knowledge, this LP Edit of "Holiday" has appeared on CD only once: on the 1997 Japanese Madonna CD Single Collection, a roughly 9" by 9" by 4" black cardboard box, holding 40 two-track CD3 singles, her entire singles catalog from Japan at the time. Each disc comes in a mini cardboard sleeve, a reproduction of the original Japanese picture sleeve, with an inner sleeve made of mylar and "fuzzy paper" to protect the disc. Each disc contains the original Japanese 45 version (which usually, but not always, matched up with the U.S. single versions) coupled with its original B-side. Issued by Warner Japan, WPDR-3100~9, it fetches anywhere from $300 to $500. (I believe the list price was $289 U.S.) It is very hard to find the outer box in mint condition—the edges of the black surface seems to scuff easily. Borderline– A 3:56 edited remix, similar to the extended dance remix. And a rather extreme edit at that -- cutting out the second half of each chorus ("keep on pushin' me baby, don't you know you drive me crazy") and the bridge ("look what your love has done to me..."). All known compilations feature the "Immaculate Collection" Q-sound remix, which closely matches, but does not exactly match, the 45 version (it is a different mix, after all). The true 45 version is again found only on the Japanese "CD Single Collection." Lucky Star – The 45 was a 3:51 edit (though the label said 3:45) of the 5:30 LP version, and has probably never appeared on CD. Sadly, the Japanese 45 used the LP version, so that is what is included in the "CD Single" boxed set. The Q-Sound mix on "Immaculate collection matches the edit points, but fades about 15 seconds earlier than the true 45 version. The only place to get the 45 version in digital format is on the OOP laserdisc of Madonna's "Immaculate Collection" video. The sound is a bit flat, and the fadeout quite hissy, but it's the only place I know of to get a digital copy of the 45 version. The song is on the TM Century "HotAC" radio compilation, but their web site lists the running time as 3:40. If that is accurate, it is not the full-length 45 version. Like a Virgin – 45 was the "Like a Virgin" LP version. There was no remix/edit released, only an extended remix. Material Girl – 45 was the "Like a Virgin" LP version. No remix/edit was released. Crazy for You – The 45 length did not appear on CD until the Madonna collection "Something to Remember" was issued. It runs about 4:01, the same mix as the "Vision Quest" soundtrack version, but fading some ten seconds earlier, although "Something to Remember" seems to be a recreated fade-out. The Japanese "CD Single Collection" uses the full 4:10 soundtrack version. Angel– The 45 was an early fade of the "Like a Virgin" LP version, running 3:41, backed with a 5:06 edit of the dance remix. Thankfully, this exact configuration was used on the Japanese CD single from the boxed set, which is the only place either version has been issued on CD. Into the Groove – Though not eligible to chart on the Billboard or Cash Box pop charts at the time, because it was only issued as the B-side of the 12-inch single of "Angel," "Into the Groove" nonetheless was a Top Ten hit. It climbed to #6 on the Radio & Records airplay chart (which was virtually interchangeable with Billboard's airplay chart until around 1991), and was #1 for six straight weeks out of all singles, not just 12-inchers, on Variety's almost completely forgotten and completely sales-based singles chart, which ran from Jan. 1976 through Jan. 1986. (It hit #1 in the June 26, 1985 issue.) Variety ranked "Into the Groove" and "Angel" separately, apparently assuming that most people were buying the 12-inch for "Into the Groove." (The 12-inch was certified gold; the 7-inch containing only "Angel" was not.) The single version of "Into the Groove" was actually a demo that was remixed and rush-released as a single, so Madonna had it restructured and remixed again when she included it on her "You Can Dance" collection two years later. The Q-Sound mix on "Immaculate Collection" was a shorter version of that remix. The original mix of the song has been issued on a U.S. BackTrax CD single, coupled with "Dress You Up." It can still be found cheaply (WEA, UPC 075992-18782-4). It has also been issued as a CD single in the UK, which is still in print (WEA, UPC 075992-03522-4), though an older German CD with a different track lineup also exists (WEA UPC 0 7599-21141-2 7). It's also available from Japan on both the "CD Singles" box and the still-in-print 5-inch maxi-single called "Material Girl, Angel and Into the Groove" (catalog WPCP-5063, no UPC on my copy). But it made its very first CD appearance way back in 1985 on the German CD version of the "Like a Virgin" album, sandwiched between "Love Don't Live Here Anymore" and "Dress You Up," Sire 925181-2, UPC 0 7599-25181-2 3. Dress You Up – 45 was the "Like a Virgin" LP version. A remix/edit backed the promo 45, which has never been issued on CD, but it can be recreated from the extended remix. Live to Tell – The 45 was a 4:37 edit of the LP version, omitting the long intro, shortening the instrumental break, and fading the song early. The 45 version is still in print on the UK CD maxi-single of "Live to Tell," which contains the LP Version, Edit, and LP Instrumental (WEA, UPC 075992-04612-1). The Edit was also issued on the Japanese boxed set. Papa Don't Preach – Thanks to EdTop40 for pointing out that the US 45 used the full-length LP version. I subsequently purchased a commercial 45, and it, too, was the LP Version. Many countries issued the Edit version of the song commercially, which was simply an early fade of the LP version, running 3:48. (Which for some reason is what Whitburn lists.) It has only been issued on the Japanese "CD Singles Collection." True Blue – There's some confusion regarding the 45 version of this song, since Joel Whitburn lists its running time as 3:59, which is the running time of the LP edit on the promo 45. However, I own both the first-pressing blue vinyl and later black vinyl commercial 45s -- both are the full LP version, running 4:16, and both say 4:16 on the label. So I think there is probably an error in Whitburn's book. Whatever the case, that 3:59 version, which is apparently actually 4:04, has been issued on CD, but again, only on the Japanese singles box. "True Blue" had a non-LP B-side called Ain't No Big Deal, which was Madonna's very first recording for Sire Records. Recorded in 1982, it was originally scheduled as her first single and as part of her first album. The demo of the song is what had clinched her contract with Sire/Warner, but initial attempts at a Sire recording did not quite capture the magic of the demo. So "Everybody" became her first 45, backed with the instrumental, which "Bubbled Under" the Billboard Hot 100 at #107. It took three attempts at "Ain't No Big Deal," with three different producers, before Sire had a version they were happy with, but too late -- a group named Barracuda had just released its own version of the song on an Epic 12-inch single. So Madonna's version was shelved until the third recorded version eventually surfaced as a B-side. It's in print on the UK CD single of "Papa Don't Preach" (UPC 075992-05032-6) and the Japanese 5-inch maxi single for "Dress You Up" (UPC T4988014302739). It's also coupled with "True Blue" on the Japanese "CD Single Collection." The US 12-inch single for "True Blue" contained a remix/edit of the title track, which was issued four years later on the 2-disc UK CD compilation "32 Ones on One - Radio 1's 25th Birthday, 1967-1992." This comp frequently appears on Ebay UK for not unreasonable amounts of money. Open Your Heart – 45 was the "True Blue" LP version. The promo 45 was backed with a remix/edit of the song, which has never been issued on CD.La Isla Bonita – 45 was the "True Blue" LP version. However, the Japanese "CD Single Collection" is the only place to get its original B-side, the Instrumental Remix, on CD. The promo 45 was backed with a remix edit, which was issued on CD on the WEA UK compilation "Hits Album 6," which frequently appears on Ebay UK for not a whole lot of money. This remix/edit was the commercial single version in much of the world, including England. Who's That Girl – 45 was the "Who's That Girl" soundtrack version. Causing a Commotion – The 45 was a remix called the Silver Screen Single Mix, running 4:05, some 15 seconds shorter than the soundtrack LP version. It has been issued on a German CD EP called "The Holiday Collection," which included the LP Version of "Holiday" plus the three hits that were not included on "Immaculate Collection" (True Blue [LP], Who's That Girl [LP], and Causing a Commotion [45]). It's not particularly hard to find. The 45 version was also issued in the Japanese singles box. Spotlight– Though not commercially issued as a single in the U.S., it was a minor airplay hit, reaching #32 on Billboard's Top 40 Airplay chart. Radio stations were provided with a promo CD of radio-length edits of all the songs from Madonna's "You Can Dance" album (Sire PRO-CD-2892), and this 4:32 edit is the version that was the airplay hit. That promo edits CD is hard to find and expensive (at least $70 these days), but luckily this was Madonna's first commercial CD single in Japan (which is the only country where it was released as a single). So not only is it part of the Japanese "CD Single Collection," it is also available on its own, with its original B-side: the remix/edit of Where's the Party. (Which some may recall was released to TV as a "best-of" video to promote the "You Can Dance" compilation.) The individual CD single is Warner-Pioneer 10SW-21. You can expect to pay $20-$35 these days for the disc, and it's not terribly rare. Like a Prayer – Outside of Japan, this was Madonna's first commercial CD single. The 45 and cassette single used a slight remix by Shep Pettibone, called the "7-inch Version," which shortened the intro, subdued the chorus slightly, and added some instrumentation, including a screaming electric guitar on the fadeout. But the U.S. 45 was unique: It ran some 20 seconds longer than what was issued in the rest of the world. Other countries got a version called "7-inch Version with fade," which was also also used on U.S. promotional copies. For years, the only place to get the full-length 45 version on CD was the commercial domestic CD3 single, where it was coupled with the 45 B-side "Act of Contrition." Housed in a 3-inch cardboard sleeve matching the 45 picture sleeve, it fetches $30-$50 these days, possibly more in its sealed longbox state. (The longbox was actually flat – the card sleeve was perforated, and you simply tore it off.) It is Sire 2-27539, UPC 0 7599-27539-2 0. But in 1999, Warner Music Canada issued a compilation called "Time 100 - The Music of Our Lives," and on "Vol. 2, 1980-1999," the full-length 45 version of "Like a Prayer" was finally reissued. I ran across it last summer while shopping used record stores in Vancouver, B.C. I bought Volume 2 on its own. It wasn't expensive. It's definitely cheaper than the old U.S. CD3! The UPC is 0 95483 80662 1. (Oddly, the Japanese singles box uses an early fade of the ALBUM mix! Apparently that was the single version in Japan. I hadn't even known this existed prior to that.) Express Yourself – Again remixed by Shep Pettibone, who added some instrumentation, extra echo to the vocals, and omitted the line "so you can respect yourself" on the fadeout. To my knowledge, there's only one CD source for the U.S. 45 and cassette single version, called the "7-inch Remix," It was issued on the U.S. promo CD single (Sire/Warner Bros. PRO-CD-3541). It was never commercially released on CD at all – Japan used the LP version for their 45, and all other import CD singles included only the extended dance versions. The promo CD contained three other mixes, one of them exclusive (the "Remix/Edit," which is almost identical to the "Immaculate Collection" version, but slightly longer and with no spoken intro). The promo CD will run you $50 to $100 these days, maybe even more. The 45 version runs 4:35, though it says 4:30 on the disc. Cherish– The 45 and cassette single was an edit of the extended dance remix, called the "Fade" version. This 4:02 edit is indistinguishable from the LP version until the a capella break – there isn't one! The same lines are still sung – "Give me faith, give me joy, my boy, I will always cherish you" -- but they're now accompanied by instrumentation. There's also a strange synthesizer "howl" at about 3:42. It is VERY easy to find on CD -- issued as a CD single almost everywhere but the U.S. and Canada, all containing identical track listings: The "Fade" version, the non-LP track Supernatural (in its original mix; a remix was later issued on the "Red, Hot and Dance" comp), and the extended version of the song (except on the Japan two-track CD3). A U.S. promo CD was also issued with the Fade and LP versions. Oh Father – 45 and cassette single used the LP Edit, making it the only U.S. single from the "Like a Prayer" album that was not remixed. It starts late, at the first piano notes, then fades about 13 seconds early. 45 says 4:20, actual running time is 4:25. There was a U.S. promo CD single with this version, which goes for roughly $15-$25, and a Japanese CD3, which fetches around $25-$35. Also issued on a radio-only HitDisc sampler, Volume 812A. And it's on the Japanese singles box. The two UK CD singles, which weren't released until the "Something to Remember" comp came out, both contain the full-length LP version. Keep It Together – Starting with this song, all but one of Madonna's commercial singles were issued as CD singles in the U.S., and are still very easy to find, used or new, on web sites such as Half.com. "Keep It Together" was drastically remixed by Shep Pettibone for the single, and it is this version, called the "Single Remix," that was the lead track on the U.S. maxi-single (Sire UPC 075992-14272-4). Same version was used for the vinyl 45 and cassette single, backed with the Instrumental, which is also on the CD single. Very easy to find. Vogue– Originally slated as the B-side of "Keep It Together" before Warner execs heard it and demanded it be released on its own, the 45 version, dubbed the "Single Version," had a completely different intro than the "I'm Breathless" LP and video mixes. Gone was the slow buildup in favor of an immediate dance beat and an added "Whoo" and "What are you lookin' at?" from Madonna that at the time was on no other version of the song. It's on the Japanese "CD Single Collection," but no need to invest in that if you're just after the single version -- it's the leadoff track on the U.S. CD maxi-single, which is still in print, and it's also on a BackTrax CD single. (But if you run across the rare digipack packaging of the original issue, grab it – it's worth some money.) I don't think this version has ever been issued on a compilation. Hanky Panky – The 45 and cassette single used the LP version, though the U.S. 3-track CD maxi-single did not include it, instead using a short remix similar to the extended remix. Justify My Love – The 45 and cassette single used the "Immaculate Collection" LP version (4:59), but again, the song was only issued on CD as a maxi-single in the U.S., which did not include the LP version. It led-off with the Q-Sound mix of the song, which was simply the album version mixed in Q-Sound, plus several extended remixes. Rescue Me – At first listen, almost anyone would think this single is simply a 4:52 edit of the "Immaculate Collection" LP version, but there are some subtle differences, including different placement of a few sound effects, that reveal this to actually be a separate mix – hence its title, "Single Mix." It was the leadoff track on the U.S. maxi-single of the song. The 45 and cassette singles used this version for the A-side, but the B-side featured the 5:04 "Alternate Mix," with sparse instrumentation and an added piano. I actually prefer it to the A-side mix. The Alternate Mix was not commercially issued on CD in the U.S.. It was available on the U.S. promo CD and the original Japanese CD3, and is also included as part of the Japanese CD Single box. (Strangely called "Alternative Mix on all Japanese discs.) This Used To Be My Playground – Issued only as a 45 and cassette single in the U.S., this was released as a CD single in most of the rest of the world, with most CDs containing the 5:06 Single Version, the 6:06 Long Version (which was the B-side of the U.S. single), and the Instrumental. The Single Version was also on the Madonna CD collection "Something to Remember," and is still in print as a BackTrax CD single, coupled with the single/LP version of "Hanky Panky." Surprisingly, "This Used to Be My Playground" is her second best selling single of the post-SoundScan era (post 1991), with SoundScan retail sales totaling nearly 900,000 copies, a total surpassed in succeeding years only by the million-selling "Music." Strange, since it was her only single of the 90s that was not released as a CD single. Erotica– It was around this time that CD singles really started to catch on in the America, and that was reflected in Madonna's domestic CD single releases –- most got separate single and maxi-single issues from then on. The two-track CD singles all matched the cassette and 45 versions. "Erotica" was the full-length album version on the U.S. single, b/w the LP Instrumental. I believe the two-track version is out of print, but it is not that hard to find. The maxi-single contained an LP edit and extended mixes, but not the LP version. The Instrumental was only available on the two-track CD single, and some imports. Deeper and Deeper – The two-track single in all three configurations (45/cassette/CD) contained a 4:52 edit of the LP version backed with the LP-length Instrumental. It's out of print, but not too hard to find. The more common maxi-single contained the 45 version as well, though not the Instrumental. But if the 45 version is all you're after, it's on her "GHV2—Greatest Hits Vol. 2" CD. Bad Girl – Madonna's first single to miss the top ten on the Hot 100 since "Holiday" – ouch! Shouldn't have released that "Sex" book a few months earlier, I guess. The two-track single in all configurations contained the 4:38 LP edit b/w the LP version of "Fever," a song which had a video but oddly was never promoted to radio at all. Two-track CD single was UPC 093624-07932-3. The maxi-single also contained the LP edit of "Bad Girl" along with extended remixes of "Fever." (The video remix of "Fever," called "Edit One," was released only on the German CD single of "Rain," UPC 0 9362-40984-2 3.) A CD acetate containing Fever Edit One and Edit Two (slightly longer) exists, so perhaps this was planned as a separate single, then scrubbed. Rain– The single was remixed by Daniel Abraham, who did the radio remix of Amy Grant's "Baby Baby." This also was dubbed "Radio Remix," ran 4:33, and wasn't all that different from the LP mix except that it unwisely cut the dual spoken interlude down to one vocal. The LP mix is better. The single was issued as a two-track in all three configurations b/w the LP version of "Waiting." (Maverick 054391-85052-2.) The maxi-single also contained the Radio Remix, plus a remix of "Waiting," and a non-LP instrumental called Up Down Suite, an instrumental dub for the song Goodbye to Innoccence, which came out a few years later on the "Just Say Roe" compilation. (In some countries, "Goodbye to Innocence" was the B-side of the "Rain" single.) I'll Remember – The two-track single was the "With Honors" soundtrack LP version b/w the LP version of "Secret Garden" from the "Erotica" album. Secret– Two-track single was the 5:05 "Bedtime Stories" LP version b/w the LP Instrumental. Take a Bow– Madonna's return to #1 after a four-year absence. The two-track single was the 5:21 "Bedtime Stories" LP version b/w the InDaSoul Mix, running 4:56. Bedtime Story – Even though this song just missed the Top 40 on Billboard's Hot 100, I still consider it to be a Top 40 single, since it made it to #27 on Billboard's Singles Sales chart. The two-track configuration was almost the full-length LP version, running 4:48. But the album has the track segueing in from the previous song, and the single starts just a hair after where the track marker on the album is placed, with no fade-in apparent – it just starts cold on the single. The two-track CD single appears to be out of print, but it can be found without too much difficulty (Maverick UPC 054391-79242-6). The U.S. CD maxi-single and all the import CDs that I know of used the LP edit. It was not released as a single in Japan at all, so it's not part of the Japanese "CD Single Collection." Human Nature – Another single that missed the Hot 100's top forty, but managed to hit #35 on the more important (in my opinion) sales chart. The two-track single, issued in all three formats, was the shortened and censored LP version, called the "Radio Version," re-edited to replace the last line of the chorus with a reprise of the second line. So in the album version she says: I'm not sorry It's human nature And I'm not sorry I'm not your bitch, don't hang your s**t on me and in the single version, she says: I'm not sorry It's human nature And I'm not sorry It's human nature It runs exactly 4:30, and was b/w the LP version of "Sanctuary." (CD single was 054391-78822-1.) The Radio Version was also on the CD maxi-single, which is even easier to obtain than the two-track. You'll See – This was the first of her singles where the "regular" CD single differed a bit from the 45 and cassette singles. The two-track 45 and cassette single contained the "Something to Remember" LP version b/w the Instrumental. There were two U.S. CD singles, but the "regular" edition was three tracks, not two, containing the LP version, a live version of the song "Why's It So Hard" from "The Girlie Show," and then the Instrumental. A separate CD maxi-single was also issued with those same three tracks, plus the Spanish version of "You'll See." I believe the maxi-single is still in print. You Must Love Me – The two-track issue in all three formats was a 3:05 remix of the "Evita" soundtrack version with a violin intro, whereas the LP version started a capella. The single version has never been issued on an album, to my knowledge. The CD single is super-easy to find – there's a million copies on Half.com. (Warner Bros. UPC 054391-74952-9.) Don't Cry for Me Argentina – Her latin-tynged disco re-recording of this classic "Evita" song was apparently never issued as a two-track single anywhere in the world. It was only available as a maxi-single, containing -- in the U.S. -- the Miami Mix Alternate Ending (7:59), Miami Spanglish Mix (6:57), Miami Mix Edit (4:29), Miami Dub Mix (6:23), Miami Mix Instrumental Version (6:55), and Miami Spanglish Mix Edit (4:28). But in most countries, the maxi-single led off with the Miami Mix Edit, as did the U.S. promo single, so that is what I consider to be the single version. I don't think it has ever been issued on any album, but the maxi-single is still in print, Warner UPC 093624-38092-4. (Strangely, she used the film's ballad version on her "Greatest Hits Vol. 2"... which is the only version of the song that ever was released as a two-track single, but in the UK only!) Frozen– The two-track 45, cassette, and CD singles all used the full LP version b/w the LP version of "Shanti/Ashlangi." I think it's still in print. The maxi-singles used an edit of "Frozen," plus remixes. Ray of Light– The two-track 45/cassette/CD single were all the LP version, b/w the non-LP track "Has to Be." Should still be in print. The Power of Goodbye– The two-track 45/cassette/CD single were all the LP version b/w the LP version of "Mer Girl." Nothing Really Matters – Again, missed the top 40 on the Hot 100, but climbed to #27 on Billboard's Singles Sales chart. At this time, most singles were still being issued commercially, so it would have remained Top 40 in sales no matter what. The two-track 45/cassette/CD single were all the LP version b/w the LP version of "To Have and Not to Hold." Beautiful Stranger – Not a commercial single release in the U.S., the song made it to #19 on Billboard's Hot 100 solely on airplay points. It reached #11 on Billboard's Hot 100 Airplay chart, so it probably would have made the Top Ten on the Hot 100 if it had been commercially available as a single. So what is the "single version" then? Well, the song was eventually released on a reissue 45 in the U.S. (flip side of "Ray of Light"), and that used the William Orbit Radio Edit (3:58), which appears to simply be an early fade of the LP Version. There were two U.S. promo CDs, one with the LP Version (4:21) only, and the other a two-track leading off with the William Orbit Radio Edit, followed by the LP Version (Maverick/Warner PRO-CD-9760). It was released as a cassette single in the UK, which used the LP version b/w the Calderone Radio Edit. The commercial CD single the world over was a three-track: LP Version, Calderone Club Mix, and Calderone Radio Mix. I heard a rumor there was a Canadian two-track CD single, in addition to the three-track, that used the William Orbit Radio Edit b/w the LP Version. That would be significant, as her Canadian releases have always matched their U.S. counterparts, but I've been unable to confirm the info, and I now believe this was probably a promo. So take your pick, but I lean toward the William Orbit Radio Edit being the U.S. "single" version. (As I said, it's the only U.S. vinyl 45 version.) It was eventually released on her "GHV2—Greatest Hits Vol. 2." American Pie – Madonna's second consecutive airplay-only release in the U.S., though it was a commercial single in most of the rest of the world, including a maxi-CD release Canada. It peaked at #29 on the Hot 100, hitting #23 in airplay. Again, with no commercial release, not even a vinyl jukebox reissue, what is the "single version"? No telling for sure, but every two-track release throughout the world, including the U.S. promo CD single, was identical: the "Next Best Thing" soundtrack Album Version backed with (or followed by) the Richard "Humpty" Vission Radio Edit. Music– The two-track 45, cassette, and CD singles were all identical, using the 3:44 LP version b/w the non-LP track "Cyberraga." This was her most successful single in many years, with actual SoundScan retail sales (as opposed to RIAA-measured shipments to retailers) totaling over a million. Don't Tell Me – All two-track configurations were the LP version b/w a remix of the song, the Thunderpuss 2001 Hands In The Air Radio Edit. Still easy to find. What It Feels Like for a Girl – Apparently released only as a maxi-single in most of the world, there was no two-track single for this song in the U.S. (though I would almost swear I saw a two-track cassette single at the Tower Records in Glendale). Later, the LP Version of the song was put on the flip side of the reissue jukebox 45 of "Don't Tell Me." So we're again faced with the dilemma – what is the single version when there was no "regular" single? There was a two-track cassette single issued in the UK, which was the LP Version b/w the Above and Beyond Radio Edit, the latter of which is on the U.S. maxi-single. A German two-track CD single was released in this exact configuration. The U.S. promo CD contained 1. Radio Edit (but of what, I don't know; I assume of the LP version), and 2. Album Version. Take your pick. I tend toward the LP Version as the official "single version," especially since that's what was used on the reissue 45. Die Another Day – A 45 was issued for this song, which was the 3:30 Radio Edit (of the LP version) b/w the LP Version. There was no two-track cassette or CD single in the U.S., but that same Radio Edit was the lead-off track on the CD maxi-single. A two-track CD single with the Radio Edit b/w the 10:08 Dirty Vegas Main Mix was issued in most of the rest of the world, supposedly including Canada, where her singles have always matched the U.S. configurations. (But I've never actually found a copy of the Canadian single.) Understandable why they wouldn't try to squeeze that onto the B-side of the U.S. 45. The 3:30 Radio Edit is the indisputable "single version." American Life – Identical 45 and CD singles were issued, both using the Radio [LP] Edit of "American Life" b/w the Calderone & Quayle Afterlife Mix of "Die Another Day." Still available. Me Against the Music (Britney Spears featuring Madonna) – There was no two-track commercial issue of this released in the U.S. in any format, but the lead-off track on virtually every CD and 12-inch vinyl single around the world was the 3:44 Video Mix, so that is what I would consider to be the "single version." Hung Up - Both the initial iTunes digital single and the lead-off track on the US CD maxi-single are the Radio Edit, running an actual 3:22. After the album was released, iTunes deleted the radio edit in favor of the album version and four remix/edits (NONE of which were issued in CD format, even on a promo), but I would still consider the Radio Edit to be the "45 version." EDIT: Since I originally made this post, I've discovered that all the "Hung Up" remixes, including the remix/edits, have been issued in full-CD quality as Windows Media Lossless files on MusicGiants.com. 4 Minutes (featuring Justin Timberlake) - Madonna's 37th Top Ten hit on the Hot 100 was released as a stand-alone digital single in advance of the album. The hit commercial single was the Album Version, running an actual 4:04. Radio stations were provided with a CD promo that included both that and the 3:07 Radio Edit (not issued commercially), which, while the same basic mix as the album version, omits Timbaland's redundant 35-second opening rap in favor of a two-second ticking clock. It ends cold with Madonna's final, "Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock," then extending the ticking clock sound effect for a second or two. It is not possible to recreate the Radio Edit from the Album Version. Give Me All Your Luvin' - Madonna's latest Top 40 hit debuted at number 13 on the Hot 100 and was a top ten seller with only three days of sales, aided by a spectacular (though partially lip-synced) Super Bowl performance and the contributions of rappers Nicki Minaj and M.I.A. The stand-alone digital single was the explicit album version. A second one-track single called the "Party Rock Remix" of the song was released a few days later. |
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 05 January 2005 at 6:11pm
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brian.....the 45 version of the song holiday has also apeared on a promo cd single as well....also the song papa don't preach that i have on 45 is the same as the album version that runs 4:26.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 05 January 2005 at 7:56pm
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The "Holiday" promo... is that the British one? I knew that was out there, but I didn't know if it was the original or the remix.
Hmm, I haven't owned the 45 of "Papa Don't Preach" in many years. I guess I'll have to buy it now to double check. Now that I look, Stephen Caraco of MadonnaCatalog.com does list the 45 as being the LP Version. So if that's true, then there were either two different pressings or Whitburn mistakenly listed the promo running time for "Papa Don't Preach" in addition to "True Blue." Interesting. Thanks, Ed. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 06 January 2005 at 9:09pm
| Thanks very much for your very thorough and well-documented post, Brian. Given that Madonna is primarily a singles-driven artist, I've never understood why so many of the true single versions of her hits rarely, if ever, appear on CD! Unfortunately, the Japanese CD single box set is out-of-print and very hard to find, so anyone planning to seek out one of these can probably expect to shell out as much as $200 or more! I keep hoping we'll eventually see a Madonna box set here in the U.S. featuring all of her single mixes. Until then, I'll refer to Brian's list to help track down these elusive Madonna 45s on CD. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 2:56am
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Thanks, Todd. I worked on it on and off for almost two weeks, even ordering the jukebox 45s for her recent singles. But why is it I can proofread my writing a million times and never notice the typos, bad phrasing, and run-on sentences until after it's posted? :D
I've heard rumors a Madonna box set is in the works, but we'll have to see. I've ordered the "Papa Don't Preach" 45 so I can double-check Ed's info, and I'm gonna try to find out which version of "Holiday" is on the UK promo CD. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 11:26am
| As I've been trying to track down the Madonna 45 versions on CD, I can't tell you how helpful this post has been, Brian. I do have a correction to your above post regarding "Borderline." The 45 Version is not actually an edit of the dance remix--at least not the dance remix on the US 12". There's a cowbell and some different reverb on the dance remix that is not on the 45 version. However, the 45 version is much more similar to the dance remix than it is to the LP Version. According to Pat's book, you can get the 45 version on the Time Life CD "The Rolling Stone Collection 1982-1986." (Brian has since updated his post, which no longer reads "The 45 Version is an edit of the dance remix...") |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 11:33am
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Also, "Borderline" can be found in it's 45 Version on TM Century's Gold Disc library, although it is pulled from the vinyl 45 as opposed to the master tapes. The sound quality is very good, since they removed surface noise & clicks; however, if you listen very carefully, you can hear that it is from vinyl.
"Lucky Star" is on TM's Gold Disc library, as Brian mentioned above. As far as the running time is concerned, TM lists the run time to tell disc jockeys when to start the next song, rather than the full run-time of the track. So, the version on the Gold Disc is the full 45 version of the song. (In general, the times listed on TM's discs will be about 10 seconds earlier than the full run time for songs that fade out.) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 3:21pm
| I just checked The Rolling Stone Collection for "Borderline" and it is the Q-Sound Remix. There is an error in the 8th Edition of Top 40 Music On CD that lists it as the 45 Version. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 5:19pm
Pat does note in the 10th edition that "Borderline" on The Rolling Stone Collection is the "45 version remixed in 'Q' sound". |
aaronk wrote:Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 6:38pm
From vinyl, Aaron? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 1:42am
Brian, it looks like this one is from a CD source, but most likely, the LP Version was edited to match the 45, which is what they did in many cases when 45 version wasn't available on CD. I haven't checked their edits to the 45 to see if they got it right, but it sounds okay to me. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 11:38am
| I just listened to "True Blue" from TM Century's library. They have the (4:04) "DJ Edit" version, and it is simply an early fade. Brian, do you find this to be the case with your version on the Japanese singles box, or is there an edit somewhere in the song? |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 3:16pm
| Just A/B'd the Japanese CD3 with the album version, and, yes, it is just an early fade of the LP version. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 28 September 2005 at 6:47pm
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Hello All,
I have the 12" single for "Like A Prayer" and it includes a (7" remix / edit). Can anyone confirm that this is the U.S. 45 version described above, by Brian? The mix seems to match the description, but the mix is credited to Bill Bottrell, not Pettibone. The time says 5:41, i haven't timed it myself. It also sounds more than just a "slight" remix, it is very different from the LP mix, and does end with a "screaming electric guitar solo." I'm curious because I never bought any of the 45's from this album, it was the first Madonna album where I bought the LP first. I was also wondering if other markets actually played the 45 version when the song was new. In NY, I recall the familiar version I got to know when it was new on radio was the LP version, and it sounded right when I got the album. After that, all the remixes I heard sounded different to me. -Mark M |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 29 September 2005 at 9:03am
| I also have the 12" of "Like A Prayer," and the 7" Remix / Edit is NOT anywhere near the 45 version. Actually, the 45 version sounds close to the LP version, but with the slight changes that Brian mentions above. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 29 September 2005 at 9:07am
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Here are the "Like A Prayer" 45 version run times:
7" Version With Fade (5:03) 7" Version (5:20) |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 29 September 2005 at 9:27am
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Thanks very much, aaronk.
I'm glad I asked, I've learned not to trust these descriptions on some 12" singles. That likely also answers my other question - I probably was hearing the real 7" 45 version on stations back then, but just didn't notice the smaller differences. -Mark M |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 23 November 2005 at 2:37pm
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Whee hoo! I really was starting to think Madonna might never have a major hit again, but looks like the old whore has some life in her yet. After a slow start, Hung Up will climb to #7 on the Hot 100 tomorrow, her 36th top ten, second only to Elvis in the rock era. (Bing Crosby had 58 Billboard top ten sellers between 1940 and 1956.)
The jump was almost entirely due to a surge in single sales -- 54,756 between the download and the CD single. I don't think it's even cracked the top 40 in airplay. Radio has been very reluctant to embrace the song, even though the video is top five on MTV, VH1, and TRL. Anyway, I've updated my discography with a Hung Up listing. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 23 November 2005 at 5:15pm
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Well,
Madonna - you go, girl! I helped her chart pos. by 1, I purchased the single as well, being a fan of her recent music. As for the album, those who liked "Ray Of Light" should enjoy this one. Anyway, in keeping with the theme of this board - the LP version of "Hung Up" is about 1 and 1/2 minutes longer than the single edit, and is the same mix from what i can tell. Great Abba sample. -Mark M |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 23 November 2005 at 11:58pm
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If you check the Radio & Records chart, you'll actually see that the new Madonna record is charting at #17 in top 40 airplay right now. The funny thing is that barely any of the major market stations are playing it. I found one common demoninator: All those stations not playing it are owned by Clear Channel.
The only exceptions I could find were the pop stations in Tampa, Miami & Washington DC (all CC owned). My guess is that those stations are only spinning it because they have competing stations who are also playing it. Still don't think that one executive in the corporate office is deciding which songs make the playlist on every Clear Channel station? How else can you explain it? |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 24 November 2005 at 4:52am
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Yeah, I've read on another bulletin board that it's been the #1 requested song on New York's Z100 for two or three weeks, but they're barely giving it any spins.
And just within the past year or so Billboard's Fred Bronson has said in his column that he still thinks radio plays what people want to hear! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:56am
| Yeah, right. Start taking a survey. I bet a majority of people say they are not satisfied with what radio is playing. Hell, most people have iPods & iTunes now, so they can listen to whatever they want whenever they want. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 03 December 2005 at 6:39pm
Fred Bronson is a good guy, but he is a Billboard employee. Part of his job description is to defend all of Billboard's charts and policies no matter how flawed and out-of-whack they really may be. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 December 2005 at 7:53pm
| I don't blame the people who put the charts together. I blame all the programmers who have turned radio into an uncreative numbers game. Take the top tested songs and play them over and over again. If it's not a top testing song, don't play it at all. After all, who wants to hear more than 300 records??? In the case of top 40 radio, who wants to hear more than 50 records???? It's disgusting. |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 04 December 2005 at 2:39am
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Helo again Brian!
I was reading your extensive list of Madonna's 45's on CD again and thought of a couple other notes: Keep It Together: Thought it would be interesting to mention that even though the single remix was indeed the lead track on the commercial 45, CD and cassette singles, the version that was used for airplay and was mostly heard on American Top 40 was the 7" Remix, much like the album version except for some remix elements and an acapella ending (available on the US promo CD PRO-CD-3791). Holiday (edit): I believe the promo CD that edtop40 claims has the original edit is the one issued in the UK, the catalog number is SAM800. As a member of the Madonna Catalog you can view the scans there or I can send them to you if you'd like. You'll See: The live track included on both USA CD singles was not "Why's It So Hard" but "Live To Tell" (from "Who's That Girl" tour). "Why's It So Hard" live from the Girlie Show was included on the US and UK CD maxi singles for the song "I'll Remember". Johann |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 04 December 2005 at 3:07am
By golly, you're right. Thanks.
I know, but there's no info on Madonna Catalog as to whether it's the original edit, the "You Can Dance" remix edit, or the Q-sound version. |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 04 December 2005 at 11:00am
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You're right, but your clue to which version it is, is in the printing on the CD itself.
You'll notice it's labelled simply (edit) just like the original edit was called. The 1987 remix was called single edit. Also, on the production part there are no remix credits, just the original producers are mentioned. Sure, considering how inaccurately these things are sometimes listed, it could have easily been overlooked. But I think it was correctly done here. I guess it makes sense that it would contain the original edit since it was the promo companion to the reissued commercial 7", 12" and CD versions (the Holiday collection), all of which have either the original full lengh or edit versions. At some point I owned (and sold) the reissued 12" clear picture disc and can confirm it also had the original edit. I also remember seeing this promo CD at Ebay and the seller specifying as an added value feature it was the edit version included. |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 02 June 2006 at 1:41am
Brian, there are ways to tell the album version from the 45 before the acapella break. They ARE very subtle: The synthesizer that comes in at 2:26 on both versions was slightly put more "upfront" on the 45 version if you listen carefully. It is more subdued on the album version. Another difference is that in the 45 version, Madonna's vocals were taken off some of the reverb that the album version has. Easiest way to tell is to listen to her very first line "Cherish, Cherish...". There is more "vocal delay" effect on the album version, it even has a slight left to right panning effect across channels. |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 23 June 2006 at 6:47am
Even though Whitburn's books state they are based on commercial copies, I'm willing to bet he's been able to acquire most of the promos as well.
Actually there was never a US picture sleeve for "Oh Father". One of Whitburn's books mistakenly indicated there was, and he later admitted it was a mistake in an e-mail to me several years ago. Madonna did have two rare sleeves - "Borderline", which was a poster sleeve, and "Keep it Together", which had limited distribution in 1990 as labels basically ditched the picture sleeve early that year. |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 23 June 2006 at 11:48am
| For whatever reason, the "Dress You Up" sleeve is also less common/more valuable... |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 23 June 2006 at 12:54pm
You're correct in that "Dress You Up" is also a less-common sleeve. I read that Madonna wasn't happy with the picture on it and it was pulled, so there are a lot fewer copies of it out there than most of her other sleeves. I don't think it's a rare as some people have said though - I've come across it on e-bay and other places quite frequently - a lot more frequently than "Borderline" or "Keep it Together". |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 23 June 2006 at 2:00pm
I've discussed this with Steven Caraco, who runs MadonnaCatalog.com, and told him I swear I remember seeing a 7-inch with picture sleeve for "Oh Father" in Tower Records in Seattle back in the day. He said other people have told him they've seen one too, but that he's never found one. I suppose I should change the discography, though. |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 23 June 2006 at 3:12pm
There were two so labeled "Instrumental" versions of this song, available on different CD's. The B side Brian quotes (4:20), was named "Instrumental" on that Japan box set, and is simply an early fade of the full length "Instrumental" version (5:20), which can easily be found on compact disc on all pressings of the "Super Mix" EP, originally released in Japan and later in Australia. I don't own the USA commercial "Isla" 7" single anymore, so I don't remember how it was labeled there, but on the UK 7" the B side was more accurately labeled as "Instrumental Edit". |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 10:18pm
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Something occured to me tonight that may --just may-- rock the foundation for those of us fussy enough to care about an extra second here and there.
The songs that fade out on the Like A Virgin LP slightly bleed into the tracks that follow them. I am unable to check, but has anyone A/B'ed the singles from this album to see if any of the fades contain anything that may be hidden underneath other tracks on the full length release? More importantly, did any of that make any sense whatsoever? I suppose the songs to check would be: Like A Virgin / Stay Material Girl / Pretender Dress You Up / Shoo-Bee-Doo Angel's single version is an early fade of the LP. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 11:04pm
Some corrections and commentary. Great thread, btw. :)
As previously mentioned, the original 45 edit appears on a 1991 promotional CD single.
Actually, the demo version is heard in the film Desperately Seeking Susan, the single is a different spruced up version.
The majority of the CD sources for the original version feature inferior sound quality to the Japanese release, which also is the only source for the ENTIRE fade of the song. After the fourth repeat of the chorus on the fade she sings "yeah..." and the track goes instrumental. This is how the song appears on all original vinyl pressings, but for unknown reasons CDs not pressed in Japan fade between 5-10 seconds prior to this.
Interestingly, the US sleeve incorrectly gives remixing credits to the duo responsible for the international single remix Thompson/Barbiero.
Must be said: Guitar courtesy of Prince.
Another Prince related note: the 'strings' added throughout all of Shep's remixes sound as though they were lifted directly from his mix of Prince's Hot Thing.
The single version is actually the original version of the song. The video version used an edited intro from the Bette Davis Dub. The single preceded the I'm Breathless album by nearly 2 months and the video "soundtrack" was tacked onto the end of that release.
Near the end, this version also features an extra ad-lib ("I believe!") not on the LP version. This was an obvious reference to Deee-Lite's hit "Power Of Love", sung identically: I believe in the power of love...I believe...
The single version is actually a remix by Shep Pettibone, not an edit of the LP version. The most obvious difference is a loud burst of...something...prior to the bridge (and again midway through the bridge). The guitar throughout the choruses is much louder and it sounds as though much of the instrumentation was actually redone (though in a way to sound very similar to the LP)
Again, slightly remixed...the edit point near the fade adds some kind of rattling/percussion where the cut was made, and repeats this element again 8 bars later.
Single and Maxi both use the full LP version. In fact, the only commercial release of the edit is GHV2.
The William Orbit Radio Edit is on GHV2
Hit version is the Radio Edit that cuts right before the lengthy "strings" ending. On the US promo and import singles.
The Radio Edit is based on the LP version. The intro is shorter and instrumental (it's missing the 'Girls can wear jeans...' bit) and it fades early. I consider this the hit version because it's what radio played.
Slight mixing difference, as it is missing some spoken bits during an edit point.
This is an edit of the Clean LP version.
Video Mix = Album Version (both In The Zone and My Prerogative: The Greatest Hits)
The US Radio Edit is unique in that after the last chorus it goes instrumental. While it runs the same length, the international singles all feature continued singing ("every little thing, every little thing...") over the final moments of the fade. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 1:35am
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Thanks for the notes, Underground Dub. I'll check out your comments and alter my discography accordingly.
But regarding your comment re: Into the Groove...
Nope... the German CD of "Like a Virgin" has the entire fadeout (the last half second of which is actually at the beginning of "Dress You Up," after the track marker), and in my opinion has better, cleaner sound quality than the later Japanese release. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 7:36am
| I'm sure the quality issue is a matter of opinion, but at least it's all on one track on the Japanese releases, LOL. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 10:22am
I just checked my German CD single of "Angel/Into The Groove," and the run time is exactly (4:44), although the printed time says (4:40). If you crank the volume up really loud, you can hear the "yeah" and a couple seconds of instrumental on the CD single, too. You are correct that the high-end is slightly dull on this CD single. A couple years ago, I made my own "remastered" version of this song to fix the sound quality. |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 10:42am
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If I understand correctly Aaron, and by "high-end" you mean the treble is weak, that is a fact for most of the 1995 reissued 12" singles on CD in Europe.
I was HIGHLY disappointed when I bought them back then, in fact sold all of them except "Causing A Commotion" and "Open Your Heart". Off the top of my head, they are still the only releases with versions exclusive to them, which were originally available on vinyl or tape only. (for example, the "Fever" German CD from the euro catalog, with its unique "Edit Two" wouldn't count, since singles were by then released on compact disc, too). With that 1995 reissued catalog, I remember thinking "who was in charge of this project??", for example the infamous "Borderline" CD, where its contents are not faithful to the original european 12" single. I sold the CD years ago, but clearly remember it had listed the correct tracks, but upon playing, surprise... 1. Borderline · U.S. Remix . [plays Album version] 2. Borderline · Dub Remix · [plays New Mix AKA US Remix] 3. Physical Attraction . [plays correctly] It did not have the "gem" of the 12" single which was the dub, so I kept the vinyl and sold the CD. A shame not little enough attention is payed to major releases like these, countless times. |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:50am
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By the way, if it helps anybody who is interested in getting some of those mixes from the 1995 reissue CD catalog, there is no need to bother with them unless you are interested in the cover art.
I didn't "lose" any of the versions when I sold most of them, their contents are all available with better sound on other pressings, mainly the typical EP's from Japan. They have not even gone up in demand and/or price on the collector's market 11 years after. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 23 September 2006 at 1:46pm
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You know, I just A/B'd the vinyl 45 of "Holiday" with the version on the Japanese CD singles set. The edit is identical, but on the vinyl 45, the intro comprising the first nine seconds is MONO. The tambourine, which is in the right channel on the album version, is dead center, as is everything else on the intro.
I can't explain that. I know they didn't re-edit the album version for the CD Singles Collection, because you can hear the hiss on the fadeout... If they had re-edited it, there would be no hiss, because that wasn't the end of the song on the album version. Maybe it's something they did to it when mastering the disc... they can change all sorts of things when mastering for vinyl. I do NOT believe that the vinyl 45 is actually a different MIX, as I can detect no other differences. I will say the song overall MAY have a SLIGHTLY narrower stereo spectrum on the vinyl. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 23 September 2006 at 7:06pm
| A friend of mine has the promo 45, and it has stereo on one side and mono on the other. While that may not help explain the situation, I do know that a mono version exists. I've never actually listened carefully to the 45 to see if the "mono" version is actually in mono all the way through. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 23 September 2006 at 11:37pm
| The commecial 45 is not mono all the way through. David thinks I'm wrong about the intro being mono. Maybe it's not, but I do know the tambourine on the intro is very far to the right in the stereo 45 edit on the Japanese set, and on the LP version, but it's dead center on the commercial 45. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 September 2006 at 12:12am
While it stands to reason that hiss on the end of the fadeout would indicate an original master being used, I wouldn't put anything past the record companies. Who knows why there's a difference. Perhaps the master tape was bad on the intro, and someone spliced on part of the LP version to get rid of a tape dropout problem, and, OOPS, they didn't realize that the original master was mixed slightly different on the 45 version. There could be any number of possibilities. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 24 September 2006 at 12:18am
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Also, for complete accuracy one would need the original JAPANESE 7" to compare to the 3" since the singles box is based on those releases.
There are many cases where what was issued on the US and Japan 7" singles differed. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 24 September 2006 at 2:14am
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Good point, Underground.
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Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 24 September 2006 at 10:39am
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Speaking of that 40 3" CD Singles box, here's a list I compiled explaining what is on the set, and why one really does not need it.
I'll start by saying the box is shoddy and gets worn no matter how careful you are with it. The booklet is cheap and full of typos. No photos whatsoever. The picture sleeves are poorly reproduced. They look like old sun damaged colour copies and don't accurately portray the full original artwork of each release. Musically speaking, there are tons of US single versions that do not appear, and there is only one true must-have on the set. Here is the breakdown. 39 TRACKS EASILY FOUND ON ALBUMS - EVERYBODY (FADE)* - LUCKY STAR - THINK OF ME - I KNOW IT Madonna/The First Album * Pre-2001 Sire issues of Madonna/The First Album - LIKE A VIRGIN - STAY - MATERIAL GIRL - PRETENDER - DRESS YOU UP - SHOO-BEE-DOO - LOVE DON'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE - OVER AND OVER Like A Virgin - CRAZY FOR YOU - GAMBLER Vision Quest OST (both Vision Quest tracks also appear in full on the 5" Japan EP La Isla Bonita Super Mix) - OPEN YOUR HEART - LA ISLA BONITA - JIMMY JIMMY - WHITE HEAT True Blue - WHO'S THAT GIRL - THE LOOK OF LOVE Who's That Girl OST - EXPRESS YOURSELF - SPANISH EYES - ACT OF CONTRITION Like A Prayer - HANKY PANKY - MORE I'm Breathless - JUSTIFY MY LOVE - EXPRESS YOURSELF (1990) The Immaculate Collection - EROTICA - FEVER - BYE BYE BABY - RAIN - SECRET GARDEN Erotica - SECRET - TAKE A BOW Bedtime Stories - THIS USED TO BE MY PLAYGROUND (SINGLE VERSION) - I'LL REMEMBER - ONE MORE CHANCE Something To Remember - DEEPER AND DEEPER (EDIT) - HUMAN NATURE (RADIO VERSION) GHV2 It takes only 12 common albums to render more than 50% of this set unnecessary. 6 DUPLICATE TRACKS (SAME TRACK/VERSION APPEARS MORE THAN ONCE ON SET) - PHYSICAL ATTRACTION (EDIT) - THINK OF ME - I KNOW IT - LA ISLA BONITA - WHITE HEAT - THE LOOK OF LOVE All but one from the above list of "album" tracks. 29 TRACKS (EASILY, FOR THE MOST PART) FOUND ELSEWHERE - PHYSICAL ATTRACTION (EDIT) You Can Dance: Single Edits Of Album Remixes US Promo - HOLIDAY (EDIT) UK Promo 1991 - AIN'T NO BIG DEAL [non-LP track] Dress You Up/Ain't No Big Deal 5" Japan EP, Papa Don't Preach German 5" CD Single 1995 - INTO THE GROOVE international copies of Like A Virgin, US BackTrax 5" single, Japan Club Mix EP, German 5" single 1995 - LIVE TO TELL (EDIT) Live To Tell German 5" CD Single 1995 - LIVE TO TELL (INSTRUMENTAL) Live To Tell German 5" CD Single 1995 - CAUSING A COMMOTION (SILVER SCREEN SINGLE MIX) The Holiday Collection German 5" EP - SPOTLIGHT (SINGLE EDIT) You Can Dance: Single Edits Of Album Remixes US Promo - WHERE'S THE PARTY (SINGLE EDIT) You Can Dance: Single Edits Of Album Remixes US Promo - CHERISH (7" VERSION) Cherish US 5" promo, Cherish original issue Japan 3" single, Cherish German 5" CD Single 1995 - SUPERNATURAL [non-LP track] Cherish original issue Japan 3" Single 1989, Cherish German/UK 3" Single 1989, German 5" CD Single 1995 - OH FATHER (EDIT) Oh Father US 5" promo, Oh Father original issue Japan 3" single, UK 5" promo 1995 - KEEP IT TOGETHER (SINGLE MIX) Keep It Together US 5" maxi-single, Keep It Together original issue Japan 3" single, Vogue/Keep It Together US BackTrax 5" single - KEEP IT TOGETHER (INSTRUMENTAL) Keep It Together US 5" maxi-single, Keep It Together original issue Japan 3" single, Keep It Together -Mini Album- Japan 5" EP - VOGUE (SINGLE MIX) Vogue US 5" maxi-single, Vogue original issue Japan 3" single, Vogue/Keep It Together US BackTrax 5" single - VOGUE (BETTE DAVIS DUB) Vogue US 5" maxi-single, Vogue original issue Japan 3" single, Vogue EP Japan 5" EP - RESCUE ME (SINGLE MIX) Rescue Me US/Canada 5" maxi-single, Rescue Me original issue Japan 3" single, Rescue Me Alternate Mix Japan 5" EP, Justify My Love/Rescue Me US BackTrax 5" single - RESCUE ME (ALTERNATE SINGLE MIX) US promo single 2, Rescue Me original issue Japan 3" single - THIS USED TO BE MY PLAYGROUND (LONG VERSION) TUTBMP US promo single, TUTBMP UK/German 5" maxi single, TUTBMP original issue Japan 3" single - EROTICA (INSTRUMENTAL) Erotica US 5" single, Erotica original issue Japan 3" single, Erotica UK/German 5" maxi single - DEEPER AND DEEPER (INSTRUMENTAL) Deeper And Deeper US 5" single, Deeper And Deeper original issue Japan 3" single, Bad Girl German 5" maxi single - BAD GIRL (EDIT) Bad Girl US 5" single, Bad Girl US/Canada 5" maxi-single, original issue Japan 3" single, UK 5" maxi single, German 5" maxi single - RAIN (RADIO REMIX) Rain US 5" single, Rain US/Canada 5" maxi single, Rain German 5" single, Bye Bye Baby original issue Japan 3" single - SECRET (INSTRUMENTAL) Secret US 5" single, Secret original issue Japan 3" single, Secret UK/German cd maxi-single 1 - TAKE A BOW (INDASOUL MIX) TAB US 5" single, TAB US/Canada 5" maxi-single, TAB original issue Japan 3" single, TAB Remixes Japan 5" EP, TAB Remixes German 5" maxi-single - YOU'LL SEE (EDIT) You'll See US 5" promo singles 1 and 2, You'll See UK/German/Japan 5" maxi single - YOU'LL SEE (INSTRUMENTAL) You'll See US 5" single, You'll See US/Canada 5" maxi-single, You'll See UK/German/Japan 5" maxi single - YOU'LL SEE (SPANGLISH VERSION) You'll See US 5" promo single 2, One More Chance UK/Japan maxi-single - VERAS (YOU'LL SEE - SPANISH VERSION) You'll See US/Canada 5" maxi-single, One More Chance UK/Japan maxi-single It may not be easy to obtain the You Can Dance Single Edits promo (which provides 4 additional remix/edits unavailable elsewhere) or the 1991 Holiday promo (which is an easily recreated, poorly executed edit of the LP version), but everything else is quite common and it's likely you'll shell out considerably less for all of the necessary releases combined than for the Japan 3" singles box. You also quadruple the number of tracks you'll be adding to your collection by opting for these 5" releases. 8 "EXCLUSIVE" TRACKS - ANGEL (FADE) - Early fade of LP version - PAPA DON'T PREACH (EDIT) - Early fade of LP version - TRUE BLUE (EDIT) - Early fade of LP version - LA ISLA BONITA (INSTRUMENTAL - EDIT) - Early fade of Instrumental [12"] - LIKE A PRAYER (LP VERSION w/FADE) - Early fade of LP version - BURNING UP (EDIT) - Straightfoward edit of 12" Version - ANGEL (DANCE MIX EDIT) - Straightfoward edit of Extended Dance Mix - BORDERLINE (EDIT) - The only real reason to buy this set. That's right. Out of a whopping 82 tracks you're really only getting 5 easy to recreate early fades, 2 easy to recreate simple edits and 1 true important exclusive. With new compilations popping up weekly and a 25th anniversary Madonna something in the works it's safe to assume that it's only a matter of time before Borderline (Edit) ends up on another CD. The following are US single versions not found on this set from the covered 1982-1996 period: - EVERYBODY (Edit) not on CD, edit of 12" version - LUCKY STAR (Edit) not on CD, edit of LP version - CRAZY FOR YOU (Single Fade) on Something To Remember - PAPA DON'T PREACH (LP Version) on True Blue - TRUE BLUE (LP Version) on True Blue - LIKE A PRAYER (7" Version) on the US 3" single - EXPRESS YOURSELF (7" Remix) on the US promo single - BEDTIME STORY (Edit) on the US maxi single, all imports - LOVE DON'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE (Soulpower Radio Remix) on US/German singles |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 24 September 2006 at 12:56pm
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Nice summary, Underground, and you're right -- Borderline is the only thing you couldn't recreate yourself from other sources.
Personally, though, I hate doing my own edits if the "real deal" is out there somewhere, especially since I think fades are extremely hard to duplicate exactly. So I'm still glad I plunked down $400 for this set on Ebay last year. |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 26 September 2006 at 12:31pm
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I would also like to mention that LIKE A PRAYER (7" Version) on the US 3" single, can also be found on the originally issued Japanese 3" CD single, to which the one included on the Box was not faithful to, including a simple album version fade. Erm, nice work. One of the several flaws of this so-so box that I mentioned months ago on other posts, including the washed away colors on the covers, and looks like I'm not alone in thinking so. I do have to say that as far as sound quality, several tracks here surpass by far the dull sounding German 1995 reissued 5" CD singles, e.g. "Live To Tell". If you compare the edit and instrumental on both, the simplest ear will tell a big difference. Only for sound quality I will I give that box a compliment. BTW, you can also get the LIVE TO TELL (INSTRUMENTAL) on the Japanese "True Blue-Super Club Mix EP" CD. It is its last track. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 24 May 2007 at 1:05pm
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A question for those who worked in top 40 in 1987:
Which version of "La Isla Bonita" did you play? The LP/commercial 45 or the Remix/edit on the B-side of the promo 45? Do you remember which version turned up on American Top 40? The differences between the mixes aren't drastic enough to stand out in my memory after 20 years. I was in college radio at the time, and we didn't get vinyl 7" service from WB/Sire. |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 24 May 2007 at 10:37pm
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I didn't work but I listened to it weekly, and clearly remember hearing the 7" remix on American Top 40. It must have been around the time it hit number 4 that Casey Kasem introduced the song and only then it started playing, he didn't speak "over" it. That was rare as far as I can recall, at least for a countdown song that was not number 1. So I was a happy boy then having taped that on casssette !
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Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 24 May 2007 at 11:57pm
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Did I neglect to mention that the 7" remix of La Isla Bonita (which I think is offically called simply "Remix") is available on CD? It's on an OOP (1987) UK comp called "Hits Album 6." I think I got mine on Ebay UK. The reason this 1987 comp used the remix is because that WAS the commercial single version in the UK.
It's not very rare or valuable, so I wouldn't pay more than 10 or 15 pounds for it. There's four copies on Ebay UK right now: http://search-desc.ebay.co.uk/hits-album-6_W0QQcatrefZC5QQfbdZ1QQfclZ3QQflocZ1QQfromZR6QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQfssZ0QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQftsZ2QQga10244Z10425QQnojsprZyQQpfidZ0QQsaaffZafdefaultQQsacatZQ2d1QQsacqyopZgeQQsacurZ0QQsadisZ200QQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ0QQsaslopZ1QQsasltZ2QQsatitleZQ22hitsQ20albumQ206Q22QQsofocusZbsQQsspagenameZhQ3ahQ3aadvsearchQ3aUk - Hits Album 6 |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 11:37am
Brian: If my research is accurate, the two-track U.S. commercial CD single release of "You Must Love Me" contains: 1) You Must Love Me [you state this is the 3:05 single version] 2) Rainbow High I bring this up because the European import CD single contains three tracks listed as follows: 1) You Must Love Me (Album Version) 2) Rainbow High (Album Version) 3) You Must Love Me - I'd Be Surprisingly Good For You (Orchestral Version) Do you know if track 3 is identical to the U.S. single version? (I currently don't have the song on any CD single release.) Also, does anyone know if the one-track U.S. promo CD single on Warner Bros. PRO-CD-8472 features the single version? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 12:07pm
| My version from RPM Top Hits U.S.A. has a violin/piano intro and runs 3:01. If the single runs 3:05, RPM may have truncated the fade a bit. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 30 December 2007 at 1:15pm
I don't own it, but the Discogs.com listing shows this: 1. You Must Love Me (Album Version) (3:05) 2. Rainbow High (Album Version) (2:27) 3. You Must Love Me / I'd Be Surprisingly Good (Orchestral Version) (4:28) So the answer would be no on track three. It's possible track one is mislabeled. I would assume the promo single uses the single version with violin intro, but I don't own it, so I can't be sure. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 01 January 2008 at 9:21am
| Guys, my one track, PRO-CD-3472, promo CD single does include the single version, with the violin intro. Also, it has no listed time, but an actual time of (3:03). |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 01 January 2008 at 11:25pm
| Thanks, Brian and Jim! I greatly appreciate the info. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 11:27pm
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Gah!
Not top 40, but I did want to mention that "Bedtime Story" on the 7" and CD/Cassette singles differ. The CD/Cassette releases feature the full LP Version, but use the same "special" intro as the Edit version. The 7", however, fades up the LP Version directly from the full Bedtime Stories album master. Part of the preceding, segued track "Sanctuary" is audible on for the first few seconds! |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 12:30am
| Really? Hmm... Thanks for the info. That's good to know. (However, it was top 40 on Billboard's Singles Sales chart, as was her Human Nature.) |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 16 March 2008 at 8:04pm
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Okay, so some things need clarification.
We must get to the bottom of this before the Warner Bros. era is capped off. *slams fist* First, "Holiday". Just wanted to recap... Unlike the version found on the Japan CD Singles box, the US 45 mix not just a simple edit of the stereo LP version, but a different mix that is essentially an edit of the stereo LP version with a 9 second mono intro? Second, what is the final word on the proper single versions for the following (not all top 40, but Madonna warrants this clarification across the board, lol): "Burning Up," "Don't Cry For Me Argentina," "Beautiful Stranger," "What It Feels Like For A Girl," "Hollywood," "Nothing Fails," "Love Profusion," "Hung Up," "Sorry," "Get Together" and "Jump". |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 16 March 2008 at 8:42pm
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My commentary on the aforementioned tracks that need clarification. Looking foward to the input of the others here to help define these once and for all in a severely US-centric manner. ;)
"Burning Up" The only commercial single release was an unnamed version that is technically the original version of the song. International promo and commercial 7" releases feature a simple edit of this version (also included on the Japan CD Single box), but I've yet to find evidence of a US release. A video release occured later using the US "LP Version", a rocked up and edited remix by Jellybean. "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" The first promotional release for this featured the same ballad "Radio Edit" found on GHV2 as the lead track. This release featured full artwork, unlike the second release that begins with the "Miami Mix Edit". I lean more towards that "Miami Mix Edit" as the hit version for being the undeniable aiplay hit, and for its inclusion on the commercially released maxi single. "Beautiful Stranger" If we look to Canada, they received the same maxi single as other countries with the "LP Version" as the lead track. The "reissues" from 2001/2002 were considered the vinyl release of GHV2 (to tie in with the 45 single design concept). The mixes selected for the full compilation release are not entirely accurate ("Erotica," "Secret," "Take A Bow," "Bedtime Story," "Frozen," "Ray Of Light"...all radio edits not featured on the proper single releases) meaning we can't use the GHV2 and its related reissue 45's to represent the original release "single versions". Due to the Canadian release, I believe we can consider the "LP Version" the 'single version'. "What It Feels Like For A Girl" This one is perhaps the trickiest. The only US commercial issue was a maxi-single without either track featured on the promo. Radio played the "Radio Edit" which was track number 1 on the US promo CD. The video featured a unique, dub-like remix similar to the "Above & Beyond Club Radio Edit" found on the maxi-single. International singles featured the "LP Version". GHV2 includes the "LP Version" "Hollywood" Like "What It Feels Like For A Girl", this resumes the trend of Madonna singles issued without a proper 2-track single in any format. Still, I suppose the "Radio Edit" that leads off the maxi single, promo and all international releases is fairly easy to determine as the single version. "Nothing Fails" The promo and all international single releases feature "Radio Edit", a semi-complicated edit of the "LP Version", but like "What It Feels Like For A Girl", the maxi single is comprised entirely of remixes. The few stations that gave this a spin seemed to opt for number 2 on the promo CD single, "Radio Remix" which is similar to the "Nevins Mix" found on the Remixed & Revisited EP. "Love Profusion" Like "What It Feels Like For A Girl" and "Nothing Fails" before it, the maxi single is all remixes, and length ones at that. The promo CD and all international single releases feature the "LP Version" which was also the video version and used in ads for the Beyond Paradise fragrance. "Hung Up" Entering the digital download era. God help us all. I'm assuming the original iTunes/etc. download matches the lead "Radio Version" found on the US maxi-single. Just to clarify, North American and Japanese releases feature this version with an instrumental fade. Other countries have a "Radio Version" that runs the same length but features continued singing similar to the full "LP Version" over the fade. "Sorry" I'm assuming the main digital release would be the "Single Edit" found as the lead track on the maxi single, the promo CD single and all international singles (listed instead as "Radio Version") "Get Together" Another tricky one. The digital download version was the "Radio Edit" found on international single releases and used for the video, but the US maxi single instead features the "Album Version" (actually the slightly different "Unblended Album Version" since the Confessions On A Dance Floor CD was continuous mix). "Jump" The maxi, promo and video all feature the "Radio Edit" version, while some international releases feature the "Album Version" (as with "Get Together, the slightly different "Unblended Album Version"). |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 16 March 2008 at 11:23pm
Sorry, my friend. I just typed out a long, detailed reply to this, hit the wrong key, and now it's all gone. I'm not typing it again. Maybe in a few days. Sorry. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 17 March 2008 at 9:05am
| LMAO. Sorry to hear that. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 17 March 2008 at 12:38pm
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The short version was:
Burning Up - correct, no US promo. The promos were for its flipside, "Physical Attraction." But there was a completely different mix for the UK single that has never been released on CD. Don't Cry for Me - I don't recall ever hearing anything on the radio except the Miami Mix Edit. Beautiful Stranger - Madonna US maxi singles always matched their Canadian counterparts, but two-track CD singles were not issued in Canada, as they were for most of her US singles during this period. Hard to say what would have been on a "Beautiful Stranger" 2-track. A proper U.S. single version can't be determined. What It Feels Like for a Girl - I would have sworn I saw a 2-track cassingle for this at Tower Records in Glendale, but memory is a tricky thing, and I can find no sign of one on the Internet anywhere. Again, I don't think it's possible to determine a proper "single version." Hollywood - I would agree the Radio Edit is the "single version." Nothing Fails & Love Profusion - I consider these to be like Burning Up: they received no airplay, didn't chart, and should be considered 12-inch exclusives. Hung Up - the official single verison is the one-track digital single, which is the Radio Edit from the US maxi-CD. However, is this the "hit" version? Because the only version to hit #1 on Hot Digital Tracks is the "un-mixed" album version, which replaced the radio edit as the "hit" version the week the album came out. It's a tossup as to which was the "hit version," but the Radio Edit is definitely the official single version. Sorry, Get Together, Jump - The main digital sellers for all three of these were the "unblended" album versions. I don't recall there being any separate, one-track singles for any of them. Sorry did make the top 40 (barely) on the Hot Digital Songs chart, but the other two were flops. Basically, for anything where it's not possible to determine a "single version" from the commercial releasees, I would lean toward the leadoff track on the promo CD as being the intended single version. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 17 March 2008 at 3:17pm
I believe you're a little confused (and rightfully so). While the UK 45 of "Everybody" is a unique mix, the mix of "Burning Up" issued matches the Japanese edit found on the CD Single box, a simple edit of the 12" version. The UK ALBUM version is a non-CD alternate mix that sort of sounds like a mixture of elements from the 12" "original" version and the US/etc LP Version. This version appeared on all UK vinyl pressings of Madonna (1983) and the rerelease The First Album, as well as on the UK b-side of "Angel".
Nor do I, though video networks ran the video culled from the film that uses the ballad version. If we are to go by what is the lead track on the "main" promo release, then "Radio Edit" would be the official version by that criteria. As I mentioned, there were 2 different promo releases for DCFMA, the first with full artwork and matching fonts on the CD itself that contain the "Radio Edit" and "Album Version" (which is identical to the "unblended" version heard on the 1 CD highlights release of Evita.) The second release features 4 versions and has only a "generic" back insert and standard Warner Bros. CD labeling. The lead track is the "Miami Mix Edit" followed by the "Radio Edit" and then 2 additional remixes. Since the "Miami Mix Edit" is absolutely the hit I consider it the "single version", but it's cheating if we are using the lead-track-on-promo method. This decision is made more difficult when considering that --for example-- though the single version for 7 week #1 "Take A Bow" is the "LP Version", I never once heard that version on the radio. It was ALWAYS the Edit (also used for the video) which didn't see a commercial release in the US until GHV2 in 2001.
Perhaps since this particular song charted as "Album Cut" on Billboard (due to the lack of even a stateside maxi release) we should nominate the Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me "LP Version" as "single version" based on that?
I hate Warner Bros. Just kidding.
I'd agree did I not own promo CDs that specifically state "Radio Mixes" on them. The attempt was made --in the case of "Love Profusion" a video was filmed-- and despite their floppage (I know, I know... why care, this is a Top 40 forum) they still have "single versions". By the lead-promo-track method that means they are "Nothing Fails (Radio Edit)" and "Love Profusion (LP Version)".
And I did always hear the edit on the radio. I sort of feel that this scenario is a little like when labels would release an insanely small run of cassingles for chart eligability and then force people to buy the album. The "hit version" didn't suddenly become the album version just because that was all that was left out there commercially. Simply put, iTunes has messed everything up, lol.
Thank you for this thread and for continuing to add input. Very much appreciated. :) |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 17 March 2008 at 3:52pm
| I now have a headache. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 18 March 2008 at 8:31pm
| LOL! |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 03 April 2008 at 3:03am
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With her new single "4 Minutes" debuting at #3 on the Hot 100, Madonna scores her 37th top ten hit on the Hot 100. So it's time to update her "45 versions" listing, which I have done.
Gotta point out: since Billboard debuted their bestselling singles charts in 1940, 68 years ago, only six artists have had more than thirty top 10 entries. Counting only the sales charts prior to 1955, when the Top 100 (the precursor of the Hot 100) debuted, they are: Bing Crosby (58) Perry Como (42) Elvis Presley (38) Glenn Miller (38) Madonna (37) (really 38, if you count "Into the Groove") Beatles (34) If you were to count only the sales charts -- knowing that Cash Box was all sales-based through the 1960s, and using Variety for 1976-1984, then going to the Billboard sales charts -- the names would stay the same, though Madonna would be pushed to the bottom, with "only" 32 top ten sellers. Elvis would go up to second place, with between 45 and 48. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 03 April 2008 at 12:36pm
| Congrats Madonna! That's an incredible record to break. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 01 May 2008 at 10:47am
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Don't Cry for Me Argentina – Her latin-tynged disco re-recording of this classic "Evita" song was apparently never issued as a two-track single anywhere in the world. It was only available as a maxi-single, containing -- in the U.S. -- the Miami Mix Alternate Ending (7:59), Miami Spanglish Mix (6:57), Miami Mix Edit (4:29), Miami Dub Mix (6:23), Miami Mix Instrumental Version (6:55), and Miami Spanglish Mix Edit (4:28). But in most countries, the maxi-single led off with the Miami Mix Edit, as did the U.S. promo single, so that is what I consider to be the single version. I don't think it has ever been issued on any album, but the maxi-single is still in print, Warner UPC 093624-38092-4. (Strangely, she used the film's ballad version on her "Greatest Hits Vol. 2"... which is the only version of the song that ever was released as a two-track single, but in the UK only!)
does anyone know if this song was ever issued in the usa as a cassingle? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 01 May 2008 at 11:38am
I'm 99.9% sure it was, but only as a maxi-cassingle, with the same track lineup as the CD maxi. I swear remember seeing it at Tower. Can't find a copy online now, though. But a Madonna discography online does list it, with the notation "Rare." But I do know for sure that it was not issued as a two-track or one-track cassingle in the USA. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 01 May 2008 at 8:18pm
It wasn't. Her last cassette maxi in the US was "I'll Remember", nearly 3 years before "DCFMA". A little trivia: Her first cassette maxi release was 1987's "Who's That Girl", followed by "Causing A Commotion". Both were packaged in longboxes. 1989's "Like A Prayer" yielded 3" CD, 7" vinyl and cassette single formats, but only a 12" maxi single. This trend continued less the 3" format with "Express Yourself", then dwindled further losing the maxi singles altogether for "Cherish" and "Oh Father". Her first 1990 release, "Keep It Together", marked the official launch of her 5" US CD Maxi Singles and the return of 12" and cassette maxi singles (which with very few exceptions corresponded to the track selection of the 12" format versus the CD format). Several mixes were featured on the 12"/CM releases not included on the CDs and vice versa. Every US single release from 1990's "Keep It Together" to 1994's "I'll Remember" that has a 12" and CD maxi also was issued on Cassette Maxi Single in the US. Only standard cassette singles continued afterward through to 2001's "Don't Tell Me". |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 02 May 2008 at 6:15am
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so...the song WAS issued as a commercial 2 track cassingle.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 02 May 2008 at 8:51am
| I know this song ("Dont Cry for Me Argentina") was never issued on a 7-inch vinyl single in the States, which was rare for a Madonna song. Just about everything before and after (up until "Hung Up") did have a 45 release. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 02 May 2008 at 12:48pm
I meant that last line to say that all standard CD/7" single releases were issued on cassette single up through 2001's "Don't Tell Me". The formats are a bit of a mess afterwards and there have been no cassette releases. "What It Feels Like For A Girl" was a CD Maxi/12" Maxi/DVD single release. No standard single on any format though it's likely it would have been her last cassette single had the 2-track configuration been issued. The only proper 7" singles since "Don't Tell Me" have been "Die Another Day" (Radio Edit b/w LP Version) and "American Life" (Radio Edit b/w the otherwise unreleased "Die Another Day" Richard Humpty Vission Radio Edit). She's been strictly CD Maxi/12" Maxi beginning with 2003's "Hollywood", though the new hit "4 Minutes" is also set to come out on a third format, 12" picture disc, a stateside first for her. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 02 May 2008 at 1:03pm
No, you're misunderstanding, Ed. It definitely was NOT released as a 2-track cassingle in the US. Of that, everyone is in agreement on. And it looks like Underground is probably right about the maxi-cassette as well. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 1:10pm
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Spotlight– Though not commercially issued as a single in the U.S., it was a minor airplay hit, reaching #32 on Billboard's Top 40 Airplay chart. Radio stations were provided with a promo CD of radio-length edits of all the songs from Madonna's "You Can Dance" album (Sire PRO-CD-2892), and this 4:32 edit is the version that was the airplay hit.
That promo edits CD is hard to find and expensive (at least $70 these days), but luckily this was Madonna's first commercial CD single in Japan (which is the only country where it was released as a single). So not only is it part of the Japanese "CD Single Collection," it is also available on its own, with its original B-side: the remix/edit of Where's the Party. (Which some may recall was released to TV as a "best-of" video to promote the "You Can Dance" compilation.) The individual CD single is Warner-Pioneer 10SW-21. You can expect to pay $20-$35 these days for the disc, and it's not terribly rare. i remember hearing a version on the radio, back in the day, with the best part of the song......the break.....which isn't on the single edit....is it possible that the full length version got airplay as well? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 7:48pm
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If I recall correctly, some stations would play the LP Version and just fade early. That's likely what you heard. :)
Still, that promo edit would qualify as the "hit" . |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 8:45pm
But the full-length song was also on a promo 12-inch, so it's possible that's what Ed heard as well. |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 9:31pm
| for whatever it's worth, the TM Century hit disc (715 - pre "A" disc/ "B" disc etc) from 1987 had the full length version of "Spotlight" on it. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 10:48pm
Interesting... what's the running time of the track, do you know? |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 10:50pm
| it runs 4:52 on the TM Century disc... |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 11:01pm
Hmm, well, it's not the full-length "unsegued" version, then. That would run over 6 1/2 minutes. I wonder if they did their own edit? They couldn't have just faded the long version early, because the 4:50 mark is in the middle of a verse. |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 11:37pm
| ooops - forgot that the original was that long. They must have done a custom edit as the last vocal was at the 4:40 mark on this version.... |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 11 April 2009 at 7:25pm
| Can someone post the edit points for Lucky Star, Holiday, Burning Up, and Physical Attraction? |
Posted By: Nick2341
Date Posted: 12 April 2009 at 7:07pm
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“LUCKY STAR” 3:51
• Cut 8 seconds at 0:14, making your edit point on the bass drum. • Remove 2:19 to 2:35. • Cut 3:41 to 3:57 both on the bass drum & first beat of the measure. • Fade starts at 3:34 and goes to 3:51. “HOLIDAY” 4:06 • Cut off the ending from 5:53 to the end on the word “together.” • Create a nice bell-curve fade out from 5:39 to the end. • Cut 4:58 to 5:15 right before the word “holiday” on the snare drum hit. • Cut 4:00 to 4:41 on the snare drum hit before the word “holiday.” • Cut 2:33 to 2:41 on the snare drum and keyboard riff. • Cut 2:10 to 2:27 with your edit points on the snare before the word “it.” • Cut 0:24 to 0:41 before the snare hit & keyboard riff. • Cut everything before 0:08. The song stars on the fourth beat of a measure right where the keyboard hook comes in. “BURNING UP” (Remix Edit) 3:52 • Cut 2:19 and 2:33 on the synth stab. • Fade 3:37 to 3:52 with a bell curve. These three were taken from a previous thread here. Physical Attraction was a slight remix, but there's another straightforward edit of the LP mix on another '45. “PHYSICAL ATTRACTION” (LP Edit) 3:31 • Cut 0:09 - 0:25 seconds on synth stab. • Cut 1:54 - 2:10 • Cut 2:42 – 3:18 on first measure of breakdown to the synth stab before the “rap” comes in. • Cut 2:54 - 3:10 on the word “say.” • Fade from 3:16 on the word “ooh” to the middle between 3:31 and 3:32 with a bell curve. |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 13 April 2009 at 7:07am
| Thank you so much. Can you explain more about this "bell curve." I'm assuming it means that it's not a 45 degree slope. What software does this? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 April 2009 at 2:48pm
Most fadeouts have a bell curve slope to them, rather than a straight slope. Cool Edit Pro has a "bell curve" setting under the "Envelope" dialog box. I generally always do these manually, though. Here is my secret to creating great sounding fades using percentages: - Leave about a half second of extra audio. - Select the start and end points of your fade. - Fade from 100% to 0% - Fade again from 100% to 7% - Fade one more time from 100% to 11% |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 April 2009 at 2:50pm
Hmmm, the intro is definitely edited from the very beginning of the LP version to where the "string-like" keyboard synth comes in. I don't see a mention of that edit point. |
Posted By: Nick2341
Date Posted: 13 April 2009 at 3:24pm
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Good catch Aaron. Must have accidentally deleted that part when I was
editing some of the words. I'll fix that! EDIT: Fixed the directions. |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 13 April 2009 at 3:55pm
| Nice secret Aaron! I'll give it a try. ....I like the manual way better...much cleaner fade. Thanks! I have been wanting to know how to do this for years. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 14 April 2009 at 9:41am
I haven't tried using the Envelope box in Cool Edit Pro. I'm so used to using Magix that I normally just use that for my fades. To match a fade, I always load the waveform for the 45 and the waveform for my custom edit in the audio editor, one atop the other, and visually match the 45's fadeout using the "draw volume curve" tool in Magix. When they look the same, I listen and A/B them repeatedly, tweaking this and that. I'm ridiculously obsessive about it. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 14 April 2009 at 10:00am
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In Cool Edit Pro, once I've highlighted the portion to be faded (16 beats, 32 beats, etc.), I usually use Edit > Crossfade > Sinusoidal.
I realize that's probably not close enough for many of you fade-shape sticklers, but for radio work, it's nice to have the fade begin on a downbeat and last for a multiple of 8 beats. In my experience with the '70s/'80s/'90s tracks, most of the fades are within a beat or two of the multiple-of-8 anyway. |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 14 April 2009 at 5:12pm
| So as a kid I was always fascinated that it seemed as though the song never actually faded out. What I mean is that where the fade was supposed to start it just never did. I'm assuming this is because of the compressor? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 10:40am
Yes, the compression used on radio signals will boost the volume as the song is fading out. If you ever heard a DJ who accidentally let the song run out to the end, you'll notice that the fade happens very rapidly. The compressor has a threshold at which it doesn't try to "normalize" the volume below a certain db. |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 15 April 2009 at 5:35pm
| Yes! I have a compressor running on my internet radio station and sometimes if the source was a 45 and there is a pop or click at the end the software recognized it as part of the song so the fade happened rapidly followed by that "click" and then the next song would come on. |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 12 October 2010 at 8:47pm
| So the U.S. 45 version of EVERYBODY is not available on CD but can be created from the 12" version. Does anyone know the edit points by chance? |
Posted By: Nick2341
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 7:43am
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This is from another thread around here before.
Everybody (Edit) – 3:58 • Cut the section between 10 - 18 seconds • Cut the third chorus in half editing from 1:46 - 2:02 of the fourth chorus. • Cut the section from 2:06 - 2:54 • Cut the section from 3:10 - 3:42 on the word “body.” • Cut the section from 3:42 - 3:58 on the word “body.” |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 12:05pm
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Thanks for posting that, Nick. The nice thing about "Everybody" is you don't have to do a fade... it just uses the 12" fade. I did a perfect custom edit of this a while back. I would have posted this info myself, but I never make notes on the edits... I just do them.
By the way, the way the audio moves to the left channel during the fade, then back center again at the very end of the fade, that is on the original 45 as well. |
Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 6:53pm
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Thanks Nick,
Took awhile to find clean edit points but it sounds great when finished. I never realized how brickwalled the 2001 remaster of "Madonna" is. I used the True Blue Japanese CD single with actual peaks and valleys to edit from. |