Mamas & Papas Complete Singles 2CD Set
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Topic: Mamas & Papas Complete Singles 2CD Set
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Subject: Mamas & Papas Complete Singles 2CD Set
Date Posted: 27 October 2015 at 6:43pm
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The Mamas And The Papas: The Complete Singles - The 50th Anniversary Collection (2-CD Set)
With the debut of their first hit, California Dreamin’, on the charts, The Mamas and the Papas proclaimed themselves to be a potent new force in the burgeoning West Coast folk-rock movement, announcing to the world that something special and beautiful was happening in California. Now, 50 years to the day after California Dreamin’ entered the Billboard Hot 100 on January 8, 1966, Real Gone Music is celebrating this very special anniversary by releasing The Mamas and the Papas: The Complete Singles The 50th Anniversary Collection, a two-CD, 53-track set that includes for the first time ever the A and B side of every single the group released, all in their impossible-to-find-on-CD original mono single mixes. But this one-of-a-kind collection, which is remastered by Aaron Kannowski, the engineer responsible for Real Gone’s acclaimed collections of singles by fellow Dunhill label acts The Grass Roots and Steppenwolf doesn’t stop with The Mamas and the Papas singles; it also includes the solo single sides that group members Mama Cass Elliot, Denny Doherty and John Phillips cut for the Dunhill and ABC labels, again in their rare, original single mixes. Co-Producer Ed Osborne’s notes feature quotes drawn from extended interviews with Mama Michelle Phillips and Dunhill label head and producer Lou Adler, while the package also includes a number of rarely-seen images of this eminently photographable band. Many of the solo singles and B-sides have never been on CD, let alone in their single mixes; plus, over the course of listening to this set (which clocks in at over 150 minutes) you’re going to hear such legendary songs as Monday, Monday, California Dreamin’, Creeque Alley, I Saw Her Again, Words of Love, Dream A Little Dream Of Me, Glad To Be Unhappy, Dedicated To The One I Love, and It’s Getting Better exactly as folks heard them over the radio back in those halcyon days. Due to the unfortunate situation with the Dunhill single master tape reels (supposedly thrown out at the behest of one of the label’s owners), Mamas and Papas fans had despaired of ever hearing the group’s original singles on CD. Now, after countless hours spent tracking down sources, Real Gone Music is proud to release the most significant addition to The Mamas and the Papas discography in years! Amazon US is already taking pre-orders. Street/Release Date is January 8th, 2016 (Real Gone Music). Disc: 1 1. Go Where You Wanna Go 2. Somebody Groovy 3. California Dreamin' 4. Monday, Monday 5. Got A Feelin’ 6. I Saw Her Again 7. Even If I Could 8. Look Through My Window 9. Once Was a Time I Thought 10. Words Of Love 11. Dancing In The Street 12. Dedicated To The One I Love 13. Free Advice 14. Creeque Alley 15. Did You Ever Want To Cry 16. Twelve Thirty (Young Girls Are Coming) 17. Straight Shooter 18. Glad To Be Unhappy 19. Hey Girl 20. Dancing Bear 21. John’s Music Box 22. Safe In My Garden 23. Too Late 24. Dream A Little Dream Of Me 25. Midnight Voyage 26. For The Love Of Ivy 27. Strange Young Girls Disc: 2 1. Do You Wanna Dance 2. My Girl 3. Step Out 4. Shooting Star 5. California Earthquake (Mama Cass) 6. Talkin’ To Your Toothbrush (Mama Cass) 7. Move In A Little Closer, Baby (Mama Cass) 8. All For Me (Mama Cass) 9. It’s Getting Better (Mama Cass) 10. Who’s To Blame (Mama Cass) 11. Make Your Own Kind Of Music (Mama Cass Elliot) 12. Lady Love (Mama Cass Elliot) 13. New World Coming (Mama Cass Elliot) 14. Blow Me A Kiss (Mama Cass Elliott) 15. A Song That Never Comes (Mama Cass Elliot) 16. I Can Dream, Can’t I (Mama Cass Elliot) 17. The Good Times Are Coming (Mama Cass Elliot) 18. Welcome To The World (Mama Cass) 19. Don’t Let The Good Life Pass You By (Mama Cass Elliot) 20. The Costume Ball (Mama Cass Elliot) 21. Watcha Gonna Do (Denny Doherty) 22. Gathering The Words (Denny Doherty) 23. To Claudia On Thursday (Denny Doherty) 24. Tuesday Morning (Denny Doherty) 25. Mississippi (John Phillips) 26. April Anne (John Phillips) ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
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Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 27 October 2015 at 8:04pm
| So excited about this one! |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 28 October 2015 at 3:58am
Me, too! With Ed and Aaron doing their usual stellar work, this should look and sound fantastic! |
Underground Dub wrote:Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 28 October 2015 at 6:52am
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The only two new CDs I've bought in the last 5 years are Real Gone's Grass Roots and Steppenwolf sets. This will be my third. Congrats to Ed and Aaron for getting this one to market! ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 28 October 2015 at 7:18am
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So were they able to find tape sources for these songs, or
did they have to resort to needledrops? |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 28 October 2015 at 8:05am
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Aaron will never tell!
A lot of us listened to the Grass Roots and Steppenwolf sets with the same scrutiny that we give to other discs. (Does the high end disappear on the fade? Do we hear turntable rumble or surface cracklies? Etc.) If any tracks were taken from vinyl, we couldn't tell. Aaron either found tapes, or did the best transfers from vinyl that I've ever heard. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 28 October 2015 at 9:32am
Cleary, you haven't found his price point yet. ;)
Judging from the vinyl dubs Aaron and I have exchanged in the past, Dunhill could have cut the Mamas & Papas sessions to Edison wax cylinders and Aaron could make them sound great. Probably better than the original 45s, since Thomas Edison's choice of wax quality was a lot better than Dunhill's was for vinyl or styrene.
Surface Cracklies!! Best breakfast cereal name ever! Ron, hie thee to General Mills HQ and submit that name, pronto! :) With the M&Ps now officially on the release schedule, The Thomas Group Complete Dunhill Singles, C-Sides, D-Sides, Outtakes, Splicing Tape Scraps And Floor Sweepings set just has to be in the pre-production pipeline by now. If not, I'd settle for the Pratt-McClain Complete Dunhill Singles set. ;) Seriously, Aaron's work is second to none. As for the endless Dunhill tape-vs.-needledrop guessing games (a virtual cottage industry spectator sport on the Hoffman forum for both the Grass Roots and Steppenwolf collections) as long as the end result sounds great, I couldn't care less what it was sourced from, especially when it comes to mono 45 mixes. If Aaron's name is on it, that's good enough for me. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 28 October 2015 at 12:40pm
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My goodness, that Aaron has been busy lately! Sounds like
an exciting release. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 28 October 2015 at 3:20pm
I have done a few ABC/Dunhill needledrops that sound like they could have come from tape. It's not that hard. ------------- |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 28 October 2015 at 5:04pm
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*Quote from Grant (aka Hits Man)*
I have done a few ABC/Dunhill needledrops that sound like they could have come from tape. It's not that hard. *end of quote* Grant, I am genuinely happy that you continue to be so ultra-impressed, year after year, with the quality of your own audio results. But why on earth do you feel the need to "re-post/re-congratulate" yourself every time the release of a new CD mastered by either Aaron or Mark is announced? Mark Mathews and Aaron Kannowski both have multiple CD mastering credits. On legitimate CDs. Their work has been praised by most everyone. They've been paid for their efforts. And they are both respected by their fellow industry professionals, as doing incredibly good work. Yet for years you've posted, both here and elsewhere, as if you are a "peer audio pro" of theirs. As if you, too, have mastered CDs I own. You doing this frequently has always baffled the heck out of me. Why? This could be my bad, so allow me to give you the benefit of the doubt. Have I missed the CDs that you have personally mastered and submitted to the reissue labels? If so, please let me know, so I can go buy it, and fairly evaluate your published mastering efforts. Almost all of us on the forum have dubbed some of our favorite vinyl 45s, for our own use. And a good number of us old radio guys, myself included, have used high-quality tapes to dub for airplay. That said, while I'm happy with my own results, I don't consider anything I've ever done to be in the same universe as either Mark and/or Aaron's amazing work. Even though I was trained on and had use of top-of-the-line, professional production facilities for 30 years. They possess a special gift that I do not. Grant, all I'm saying is that I don't know of any actual pro audio CD mastering work on your resume. And without such experience, I don't feel any of your personal audio evaluations have any more (or less) authority/weight behind them than the opinions of 99% of us here on the board do. (Mark & Aaron are obviously excluded.) We all buy lots of CDs, and we all want them to sound as good as possible. Pat has always provided a notation if a CD has a glitch, "no fidelity", or the like. However, I have never posted on T4MOC about how good or bad I think my own vinyl dubs are. No matter the song or group. Why? Because 1) no one else cares, and 2) it honestly adds nothing to the forum discussion, does it? |
Posted By: bitman
Date Posted: 31 October 2015 at 3:00pm
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OMG - Merry (early) Christmas to me!
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Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 04 November 2015 at 6:20pm
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I'm gonna pick this one up just for a clean single
version of Dedicated To The One I Love. I grew up playing my 45 over and over. From my teen years to even now, I have had people tell me there was little to no difference between the single and stereo mixes, but I have always noticed a difference, I don't know what it is, but I cannot wait to hear a pristine copy on CD. Even if it's a disc dub, I'll be content, as long as it sounds good...and I know this CD set will. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 16 November 2015 at 3:20pm
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I thought this info might be interesting to some of us here :)
# of mono single mixes that match the mono LP mixes: 16 # of mono single mixes that are unique to the 45s: 28 # of mono sides that sound like fold-downs: 4 # of stereo mixes: 5 Total # of singles: 53 Mono single mixes that match the mono LP mixes (NONE are fold-downs of the stereo LP mixes): Go Where You Wanna Go Somebody Groovy California Dreamin’ Got A Feelin’ I Saw Her Again Even If I Could Look Through My Window Once Was A Time I Thought Dancing In The Street Dedicated To The One I Love Did You Ever Want To Cry Straight Shooter Hey Girl John’s Music Box (never released in stereo) Strange Young Girls Do You Wanna Dance Mono single mixes that are unique to the 45s: Monday, Monday Words Of Love Free Advice (will be the version unique to the 45) Creeque Alley Twelve Thirty (Young Girls Are Coming To The Canyon) Glad To Be Unhappy Dancing Bear Safe In My Garden Too Late Midnight Voyage For The Love Of Ivy My Girl California Earthquake Talkin’ To Your Toothbrush Move In A Little Closer, Baby All For Me (never released in stereo) It’s Getting Better Who’s To Blame Make Your Own Kind Of Music Lady Love New World Coming Blow Me A Kiss A Song That Never Comes I Can Dream, Can’t I Don’t Let The Good Life Pass You By Mississippi Watcha Gonna Do Gathering The Words These four songs sound like fold-downs to my ears: Dream A Little Dream Of Me, Step Out, Shooting Star, and April Anne. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 January 2016 at 11:05pm
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I'm looking forward to the CD coming out this Friday! For those curious about the top 40 hits contained on the 2-CD set:
(M) (2:39) California Dreamin' (M) (3:10) Monday Monday (mono 45 length) (M) (2:52) I Saw Her Again (45 and mono LP version) (M) (3:07) Look Through My Window (45 mix) (M) (2:13) Words Of Love (45 version) (M) (2:57) Dedicated To The One I Love (M) (3:48) Creeque Alley (45 version) (M) (3:20) Twelve Thirty (M) (1:40) Glad To Be Unhappy (45 version) (M) (3:13) Dream A Little Dream Of Me (M) (2:53) It's Getting Better (45 length) (M) (2:24) Make Your Own Kind Of Music (M) (2:10) New World Coming (M) (3:09) Mississippi (45 version) ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 08 January 2016 at 5:26pm
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Sounds fantastic Aaron, exactly as advertised!
Now, can you go back and fix their B. J. Thomas collection? : ) Bill |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 January 2016 at 9:24pm
LOL! Thanks, Bill. I'm really happy to see the positive reviews coming in. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 08 January 2016 at 9:50pm
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Aaron, without even having listened to this set yet, I can say that your work is
always top notch. We are privileged to have you among us, and to bring these rarities to light. I am looking forward to hearing the CD soon... ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: bitman
Date Posted: 10 January 2016 at 5:44pm
| I don't have the expert ears of the many here, but I listened and found it to be well worth the 40+ year wait! The collection sounds amazing...I hope I detect a not-so-subtle Dunhill pattern here and Three Dog Night will be next! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13 January 2016 at 7:43pm
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I received my CD, and a follow-up e-mail from RealGone. the
follow up was to let me know that since I did not receive an autographed copy, I got a coupon code for $5 off my next purchase. That seemed nice. Then, I got to thinking... They knew I did not get an autographed copy. So, it follows that they know who did. Sounds like it was not random. Do they pick and choose who gets one? I e-mailed them to ask that very question. I will follow up with their response. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 January 2016 at 8:16pm
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I would guess that everyone's name went into a hat (or some similar
method). Even if the names were known by Real Gone, that doesn't mean it wasn't random. When I worked in radio, we had drawings like this all the time. Entrants' names were entered into a spreadsheet and numbered. Then a random number generator picked the winning number. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 13 January 2016 at 9:29pm
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The cost is doubled if Aaron autographs it. :) ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 11:19am
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I did get a response from RealGone. They said they
printed the labels for the buyers, put them in a box, and drew them randomly. They must have indeed tracked the information. I pictured the CDs autographed, sealed, and randomly mixed in with the non-autographed copies. I am satisfied that is was a random drawing. I'm usually pretty lucky. Of course I did not win the powerball either. Shoulda bought a ticket. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 9:15pm
It's crazy how many times a day I get asked for an autograph. It always seems to happen when I'm buying something with a credit card. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 15 January 2016 at 11:29am
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Well, who wouldn't want an autograph from a DJ as famous as Aaron The K, a.k.a. "The Third Papa"?
;) |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 16 January 2016 at 2:28pm
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Just got my set today and to say it's outstanding would be an understatement!
Many thanks to Ed for the wonderful liner notes, to Aaron for the perfect sound and to Gordon for green-lighting the whole thing. As much as I love Michelle Phillips, I think an autographed copy from Ed and/or Aaron would be even better:) Thanks again guys for keeping the flame alive! |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 16 January 2016 at 2:52pm
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Real Gone Music has it sold out on their site. Might be just temporary, but I wouldn't chance it and grab a copy from an online retailer soon if you haven't already. I got my copy on Thursday and love it. I think it's the best of the recent ABC/Dunhill singles compilations yet. It was a great idea to add the solo singles by Cass, John and Denny. The sound is impeccable (plus the photos and liner notes make it a great value). ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 17 January 2016 at 12:31am
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Thanks for all the positive feedback, guys! It makes me feel really good to know that everyone is loving these discs.
Not only does Real Gone's site say "sold out," but I noticed that Amazon now says "ships in 8 to 10 days." In all the email exchanges throughout the planning process, there was never talk about making it a "limited release," so I would guess that most retailers are simply waiting for a new shipment to come in from Universal. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 17 January 2016 at 4:20pm
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I'll get mine then (just ordered it). ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 21 January 2016 at 4:29am
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Sounds like a good candidate for a Grammy for Best Historical Album, which, according to Wikipedia, "from 1997 to the present has been awarded to the Compilation Producers and Mastering Engineers."
GRAM-MY! GRAM-MY! GRAM-MY! GRAM-MY! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 January 2016 at 3:46pm
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Man, that would be something. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 31 January 2016 at 5:47pm
------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 31 January 2016 at 8:56pm
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Ordered mine through Amazon. Hopefully, I'll get to
enjoy all that glorious mono in a few weeks. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 31 January 2016 at 8:58pm
| Is Three Dog Night ... next? ;) |
Posted By: Bwci Bo
Date Posted: 04 February 2016 at 2:00am
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I received my copy today. Great work, Aaron! It sounds
absolutely stunning. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 February 2016 at 1:15pm
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Thanks again! I'm sure hoping Three Dog Night is next, so let's all keep our fingers crossed. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Oddbjorn
Date Posted: 04 February 2016 at 4:11pm
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Received and listened to my copy - and the result is once again: 10 points out of 10 (or should I say 11 out of 10 even if that's impossible) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cross my fingers for Three Dog Night is next too !! ------------- OddNor |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 05 February 2016 at 10:54am
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If anyone should feel the urge to leave a review on Amazon (and
hopefully rave about how good it is), that would be excellent. There was a recent review left by someone making false claims that some songs have "a lot of surface noise," and slammed it because it's not in stereo. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 05 February 2016 at 3:02pm
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I didn't expect this set to be able to meet the high standard established by the Grassroots and Steppenwolf sets, but it actually exceeds that standard. A superb job all around.
Unfortunately, I didn't get a copy autographed by Michelle Phillips, but I already have a copy of the UK-only Complete Anthology box set signed by her when these were being sold by Collectors' Choice. (The 'single versions' on the UK box set sound suspiciously like digital clones of the not-particularly-well-done needledrops from the All The Leaves Are Brown set.) I was surprised when I heard "Dancing Bear' on this set, since my Canadian RCA single runs about (4:07), just as the LP version does. I have a number of Canadian RCA Mamas and Papas singles; some are the same as the US Dunhill singles and some are the LP version. I was not familiar with the mono mix of "California Dreamin'" and was eager to learn if, as is the case with the stereo mix, there was still a bit of Barry McGuire's voice on it. As the notes state, the song was initially recorded by Barry McGuire (his version is on the UK box), and the same basic instrumental track was used for the Mamas and Papas' version. But Barry McGuire's vocals were not completely erased. In the stereo mix, when John and Denny are singing the opening line, "All the leaves are brown" in the right channel, you can faintly hear the unmistakable voice of Barry McGuire in the left channel before Cass and Michelle repeat the line in that channel. I wanted to know if McGuire's voice was also still there on the mono mix. It's even more difficult to detect than on the stereo mix, but if you listen carefully, you can tell that there is definitely a third voice on that opening line, and that's the voice of Barry McGuire. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 05 February 2016 at 3:36pm
I can't opine on it, since I haven't heard it yet (and can't remember my Amazon log-in password, anyway) but it never ceases to amaze me how nearly every time there's a mono singles collection offered for sale on Amazon, somebody has to whine incessantly that it's not in stereo. Never mind that there are usually dozens of other compilations available on the same site for those same artists in glorious Virtual Sound, Full-Dimensional, Sounds Great In stereo, but they feel the need to berate the only compilation that has ever offered the original mono single mixes. A lot of those "reviewers" deservedly get their lunches handed to them by others who point out the same thing I did above, but some things never change, it seems. There are just some people who don't get the difference; there's no problem with that, but to go on and on about how "inferior" mono is gets really old to those who can hear the differences. Since Paul brought up "California Dreamin'": I hadn't listened to my original Dunhill 45 in decades until giving it a spin about four years ago and had completely forgotten how buried the flute is during the break. One might assume it would be a LOT more prominent in the mono mix, but the Dunhill Laws Of Monophonic Science sometimes tended to go against the grain. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 06 February 2016 at 12:50am
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I finally received my copy... one of my most-wanted sets. Thank you to all involved for such an amazing release. A lot of love and hard work clearly went into this!
Listened once through this evening and it sounds incredible. I can't wait to dive in and pore over the liner notes this weekend. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 06 February 2016 at 3:33pm
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My copy arrived today. Pretty fast since the shipping
window they listed was 2/5-2/23. I, frankly, didn't expect the CD's for a couple of weeks. Everything sounds amazing! And, the 50th Anniversary collection very happily replaces what I had in my library for the Mamas and The Papas. :) |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 03 July 2016 at 8:35pm
I'm just making conversation. My post would have left everyone's consciousness if you hadn't brought it up and made an issue out of it. I'm sure this forum does not appreciate this. Now: i'm with Eric. This CD set replaces the other CDs I have of the Mamas and the Papas in my collection. ------------- |