Beatles - 1+ (2015 release)
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Topic: Beatles - 1+ (2015 release)
Posted By: aaronk
Subject: Beatles - 1+ (2015 release)
Date Posted: 09 November 2015 at 10:32am
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Instead of wading through 5,486 pages of posts on the Steve Hoffman board to find an answer, I thought I'd just post my question here :)
I noticed Pat has entered the new re-release of 1 into the database, but the songs do not contain any "remixed" comments. Does that mean the stereo mixes contained on this new disc are identical to the standard stereo mixes, or does it simply mean nothing has been added/subtracted, and they are not significant enough differences to warrant a database notation? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
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Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 09 November 2015 at 11:21am
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With 385 pages to wade through, and silly arguments about
Paul playing bass on "Hey Jude", you'd have better luck with the official press release and website. http://www.thebeatles.com/sites/onev2/index.html http://ultimateclassicrock.com/beatles-1-reissue/ ------------- |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 09 November 2015 at 11:27am
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Yes, I haven't paid too much attention to this release, since the promo
videos don't interest me. Everything I read suggested that these are newly remixed versions, but Pat doesn't list them as remixes. That's where my confusion comes in. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 09 November 2015 at 12:13pm
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I feel differently about the two video discs. Those are the draw for me. Having all the videos in one place is a great idea for a fan of the Fabs.
As far as the audio disc goes I have only listened to it in my car as I drive to and from work plus once at home. I do not hear anything I didn't hear on the first/original 1 release. However, this one seems louder to my ears. I know it's 2015, but is it too much to ask for a new release to not have added compression? I have not analyzed these with any editing software and don't have the tools to do so, but maybe someone else can confirm if they find excessive clipping on these tracks. I do know the first three songs are mono (She Loves You, Love Me Do and From Me To You). ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 09 November 2015 at 12:41pm
Oh, yes. I definitely understand the draw, and I'm certain it's the main reason most fans would buy it. I'm just not a hardcore Beatles fanatic, and I have no reason to collect the music videos.
Yes, from what I understand, the multi-tracks for those songs no longer exist, so any "new mixes" would have to be done using digital spectral editing. If they are going to the trouble of doing such editing, I doubt they would leave the track in mono, which would mean that these three songs are the same mono versions that have been around for years. The first release of 1, as I understand it, did not contain any new stereo mixes (at least nothing newer than the 1987 stereo remixes). The Beatles website claims that the 2015 release contains all new remixes by Giles Martin and Sam Okell. So far, Pat doesn't mention that any of the tracks are remixed, and it seems like you might agree. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Santi Paradoa wrote:Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 09 November 2015 at 1:38pm
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From everything i've gathered from a press release, the
songs have been digitally remixed, and Giles Martin has done a considerable amount of "correcting" things. Take that as you will. ------------- |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 09 November 2015 at 6:26pm
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Okay I took out the first/original release of 1 (from 2000) and listened to it then went back to this 2015 release and starting with track 20 (Lady Madonna) there is some noticeable instrumentation that you can hear on this new release that was either buried in the previous mix or just wasn't there prior. On the earlier tracks (once you get past the three mono mixes) what I hear now is vocals centered or near center instead of the lopsided stereo with the vocals only on one side of the mix. You really have to listen carefully and compare track by track to realize the minor changes.
Keep in mind this is the third time around for the 1 compilation and I only have the first and this third/most recent release. It is possible that the second release was tweaked and one would be able to hear these same subtle differences that I'm picking up on when I compare just these two discs. After buying all the previous remasters and box sets that have been released in the past 20 years I would have never purchased this new audio disc separately, but since it was included in the set with the two video discs it's a nice bonus. As far as Giles and his team remixing the music for this 2015 release I'm inclined to think that it's for the video clips that the sound was improved. There are three different audio mixes for the music videos including a 5.1 surround sound mix. They spent hours improving the quality of the video and audio, so that might be what they "corrected." ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 10 November 2015 at 12:31am
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I am certain they remixed the audio-only songs. ------------- |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 10 November 2015 at 10:42am
| I entered the remix comment as part of the CD title since all songs on the new release of 1 are remixed. This is what you should see in the database: "1" (2015 remix). If this is not appearing please let me know but it is what I see when I view the new entries. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 10 November 2015 at 11:01am
Yes, I do see it next to the CD title, but we've all been well-trained over the years to never trust what the packaging may claim. Your database and the input from the members on this forum are the only folks I trust as the authority on which versions appear on CD. That said, I do think it would be helpful to note which songs on the 2015 release are remixed. For example, the first three songs are all in mono, and I would presume that there are no differences on these tracks, correct? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 10 November 2015 at 12:09pm
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Aaron, I am quite certain that all tracks were remixed,
not just some of them. ------------- |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 10 November 2015 at 4:13pm
The Beatles website says "new stereo mixes," yet we have three songs in mono. It's not so clear if those three are remixes, especially considering there are no multi tracks to work with. The other ones probably are remixes, though. For database purposes, are these new mixes similar enough to the originals not to warrant a notation for each song? Correction: only two tracks appear to be in mono. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 10 November 2015 at 7:36pm
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Don't forget that "From Me To You" is not in the online database, but it is mono. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 10 November 2015 at 10:40pm
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Ok, then three tracks are mono :) ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 11 November 2015 at 8:21am
I believe they were remixed to mono again. After all, a remix doesn't automatically mean stereo. In a video I watched a couple of days ago, Giles Martin hinted that he followed his father's wishes of what he would have done better, and George Martin has always insisted that the first two albums, at least, were always meant to be mono. ------------- |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 12 November 2015 at 11:04pm
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Just listened to The Beatles 1 (2015) and here’s my take on the remixing,
etc. (being a Beatles fan, and having read about and listened to a LOT of their recordings and mixes I may as well!). When I mean “remix”, I mostly mean the stereo separation is different from the “usual” 1960s mix, e.g., instrumentation/vocals not in the same channel (l, r, c) as before. I may have missed some mixing fine details below, but this is what stood out at me when first listening (as I am very familiar with the original mixes). Note that I am mostly comparing with the original 1960s mixes and NOT the Capital rechanneled crap). first three tracks mono like always I Want To Hold Your Hand - not really a remix, but the bass is a bit nicer Can't Buy Me Love - a remix: rhythm track is centre (was left) and Paul’s double tracked vocal is split (was centre) A Hard Day's Night - not a remix, but sounds a bit different, e.g., George Martin’s piano solo in the instrumental bit I Feel Fine - a remix, the same remix that appeared on the “Anthology” DVD: vocals are split as opposed to centre (as it was when the true stereo mix (done 4 November 1964) first appeared in 1966 on the UK LP “A Collection Of Beatles Oldies”) Eight Days A Week - not remixed Ticket To Ride - not remixed Help! (LP version) - a remix: the same as what appeared on “Love”: George’s lead guitar is l+r (was right) Yesterday - not remixed Day Tripper - a remix: instrumentation and vocals nicely spread (and dropout at 1:50 fixed) We Can Work It Out - a wonderful remix: vocals centred, backing track left and organ right (the above two needed to be remixed IMHO, as the lazy stereo mixes with primarily vocals off to one side / instrumentation on the other were just not that good) Paperback Writer - a remix: reverb on the introductory vocals that was not in any previous mix that I’ve heard, Paul’s lead vocal split (was centre), backing vocals different and rhythm track mixed left/centre (was left) Yellow Submarine - a wonderful remix: different from the “Yellow Submarine Soundtrack” remix Eleanor Rigby - a remix: similar to the “Yellow Submarine Soundtrack”, but with less reverb (again, the “left/right” mixes of the above two just don’t cut it for me) Penny Lane (comparing with the first stereo mix of the track, done 30 September 1971 which appeared on the 1971 German “Magical Mystery Tour” LP) - a remix: keyboards and backing vocals spread (were centre). The brilliance of this track really stands out in the remix! All You Need Is Love - a remix: first mixed to stereo 29 October 1968 for the 1969 LP “Yellow Submarine”, it was also remixed on “Yellow Submarine Soundtrack”. All stereo mixes still fade 0:13 earlier than the 45 Hello Goodbye - a remix: similar to the remix that appeared on the “Anthology” DVD; very similar to the 1967 mix but the drum track is centre (was left) Lady Madonna - a remix: instrumentation essentially the same, but Ringo’s drums are mixed much more forward, some background vocals and handclaps spread (were centre) Hey Jude - a remix: Ringo’s drums mixed centre (were left) Get Back (US 45 was stereo (their first); UK 45 was mono) - a remix: sounds wonderful! The Ballad Of John And Yoko - not remixed (didn’t need it), but sounds brighter/clearer (I can hear the individual instruments more clearly) and has the ending drum (from the stereo-only 45) that was mixed out of the original “Hey Jude” LP issue Something - not remixed, but sounds a bit “different” Come Together - same as “Something” Let It Be (45 version)- a remix: piano more centre (was more left), organ at 0:39 that was mixed out (or way down) before, background vocals at this point right (were panned), Ringo’s drums heavier The Long And Winding Road - slight remix: choral vocals slightly spread (were centre) I welcome proper remixes of all their left/right mixes that were recorded on 4-track (“Rubber Soul” being the prime contender), as well as new remixes of the rest of their catalog! ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 13 November 2015 at 8:35am
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all tracks were indeed remixed. ------------- |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 November 2015 at 6:06pm
Are you disputing David's post above? Please note the first sentence where he writes "first three tracks mono like always." This means to me that they are not remixed. Unless they used spectral editing, they wouldn't be able to remix those tracks anyhow. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 13 November 2015 at 7:27pm
are two-track, "rebalance" would be an accurate term, but, technically, they are still "remixed". ------------- |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 13 November 2015 at 7:59pm
"Love Me Do" and "She Loves You" exist as two-track recordings? Do tell where they've been squirreled away all these years. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 13 November 2015 at 11:24pm
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As I stated in my opening paragraph, my remixing comments refer to "the
stereo separation is different from the “usual” 1960s mix, e.g., instrumentation/vocals not in the same channel (l, r, c) as before". The first three songs are mono. Have always been. So they are not a part of my analysis. It is believed no 2-track master exists for "Love Me Do" and "She Loves You", and the 2-track for "From Me To You" is missing the harmonica on the intro as present on the 45 (for reasons I won't get into here...). ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 23 November 2015 at 2:20pm
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LOTS of differences in this remixed release, although
most are minor. The most obvious change is in "Penny Lane". On the 45 and German stereo, it sounds like both a soft sounding piano and a hard sounding one were recorded simultaneously, and at certain points (example: The fireman rushes in section) it starts with just the soft piano and, then the harder piano gets faded up on top of the softer one. On this new remix, it's hard piano all the way.. you can hear it on other parts of the song too. It stands out as a difference from what we've heard before. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 24 November 2015 at 5:35am
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Some other differences:
"Get Back" - The reverb on the drums following the "false ending" is missing. Drums sound lower overall. Much less distortion. "Hello Goodbye" - On this new mix, I don't hear the organ that starts on the stereo album mix at 2:20. There's much less distortion on the ending. "Let It Be" (comparing to the single, not the Spector mix) has a louder organ in sections, the unique reverb that was used on the cymbal for the 45 is missing, and the cough or sneeze in the background as Paul sings "for though they may be parted" is mixed out. In general, there is less heavy compression, and less distortion especially on the later songs. |