Paul McCartney DJ Edits
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Topic: Paul McCartney DJ Edits
Posted By: MarilynsPickle
Subject: Paul McCartney DJ Edits
Date Posted: 20 April 2006 at 6:27pm
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Only a few of Paul McCartney's "DJ Edits" have appeared on CD, and I was wondering if anyone here was expert enough to know how one would go about cutting down the CD versions to recreate the edits for songs like "Band On The Run", "Jet", "Mull Of Kintyre" and "London Town".
Any help would be greatly appreciated! :) I was able to get the accurate "Silly Love Songs" Edit thanks to an older thread here. This is a great forum! |
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 20 April 2006 at 9:34pm
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Wow. "Mull Of Kintyre" had a radio edit in the US?
I never knew. Do you own a promo copy? Andy |
Posted By: MarilynsPickle
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 7:01am
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I do not.
It's a US promo with a 3:31 edit of Mull Of Kintyre on side A and a 3:19 edit of Girl's School on side B (which HAS appeared on CD) I'm hoping someone here is able to help. These are the only ones I need descriptions for: Jet (DJ Edit) 2:49 Band On The Run (DJ Edit) 3:50 Mull Of Kintyre (DJ Edit) 3:31 London Town (DJ Edit) 3:48 Edited to remove: Let 'Em In (DJ Edit) 3:43 < thanks to sriv94 :) |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 8:18am
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Thanks for the info!
Andy |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 8:28am
I believe the DJ edit for "Let 'Em In" cuts from the trombone solo to the last "sister Susie" refrain, then fades during the second of the three snare drum/flute interludes at the end. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
MarilynsPickle wrote:Posted By: MarilynsPickle
Date Posted: 21 April 2006 at 8:51am
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Thank you so much! That brings it right to the correct time so that should be correct. Woohoo! :)
If anyone knows any of the other edits, please post them here. :) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 9:32am
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I just found out that Paul McCartney's "Jet" has TWO completely different DJ edits. One runs (2:49) as Pat has listed in his book, and the other runs right around (2:42). The difference between the two is that the longer one has a :04 intro and fades out at the end, while the shorter one has an :08 intro and ends cold like the LP version.
I have a friend who used to own both copies, and he's checking to see if he still has the cold-ending promo to provide the deadwax info. |
Posted By: BillyDee203
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 9:46am
Actually, I believe the retail single has it fading at the end and the promo doesn't. I do seem to recall playing the promo version on-air and having a good, non-faded ending as opposed to the released single (prior to any sort of on-air processing and listening right off the board). If I can find my copy I'll verify this. Bill |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 10:51am
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Or I can check tonight as well. Skyline has a version of the promo on their site, so I can check there (doesn't mean it's right, of course). I have the song on two McCartney CDs--All The Best and Wingspan, and in both cases the tune runs (5:08) and ends, well, sorta cold (one long held note at the end that quiets down eventually). I had always assumed that that was the commercial copy (I seem to recall the radio version fading, but 30 year memories can play tricks on me :) ). ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: BillyDee203
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 4:55pm
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Doug,
If you can check that would be great. For some reason my promo is MIA at the moment. Bill |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 6:15pm
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After further review, I stand corrected. The Skyline version (assuming that it is correct) jibes with Bill's recollection. It runs (3:44). The edit strips the opening chimes (so that it starts with the piano chord), makes the big edit during the second "sister Susie" refrain (cutting to the "innn-nnnn" of the third refrain [where you hear McCartney's falsetto vocals and the extra "yeah, yeah, yeah"], which leads into the final chorus). And the promo ends cold (and seems to be slightly pitched up).
My guess is that WLS in Chicago played the promo but faded it slightly early when carting it (which is why I thought the promo was a fade). So now the question is--does the actual commercial single fade at the end, or end like the Wingspan and All The Best CD versions (and I would guess the At The Speed Of Sound CD version too--even though I don't have it)? Ed? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 8:38am
| Good luck on editing the 2:49 Jet! That edit is a mess! I have reference copies on everything but Mull/Girls School so if anyone wants em just email me at Cahillbill@aol.com and I can get you an mp3. I have never seen or heard that second edit of Jet. I'd be interested in knowing what the differences are. I just noticed that Let Em in had two promo copies, short/long mono, the other short/long mono. Doubt there is any difference. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 9:33am
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doug....which song do you need a 45 of and i'll shoot it to you now.....is it "jet" that you need???....lmk ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 10:13am
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It was "Let 'Em In," but you don't have to send it (unless you want to). All I need you to do is tell me whether the 45 fades toward the end or if it ends with one long held note (that may or may not fade). In other words, does the commercial 45 match the (5:08) CD versions? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 10:43am
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doug
my notes indicate that the 45 of "let 'em in" is identical to the 5:08 full cd/lp version from the "all the best" cd..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 2:53pm
I was curious and pulled out my Capitol stock copy, (which indeed runs 5:08, fyi), and I was struck by how long and low the fade runs before the sting at the end. I've usually heard it on my station, where there's not much fade left after our compression; probably the same on most other stations. Yet I'll bet a lot of DJs over the years may have jumped the gun at the end of the song, thinking the song simply faded. That could explain how it could be inconsistent, even at the same station. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 30 March 2007 at 10:22am
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Sorry to bump an old thread. I'm confused over the correct (DJ) editing of Let 'Em In. Would anyone be able to provide edit points?
Any details regarding the other DJ edits is more than welcome as well. ;) |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 31 March 2007 at 1:56pm
| Where has the (3:19) edit of "Girl's School" appeared on cd? |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 02 June 2011 at 6:37pm
| I just picked up the Mull of Kintyre / Girls School promo. Here's how I hear Mull of Kintyre edited: Using Wingspan you edit from the start of the Mull of Kintyre chorus at 2:30 to the Mull of Kintyre chorus at 4:01. Then, instead of continuing to the end cheering section which would naturally happen, you actually repeat that SAME chorus a second time (where the cheering section would have started).. then after that chorus, it goes to the cheering ending section. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 02 June 2011 at 6:56pm
| Girls School DJ edit: I compared it to the stock 45. I believe the lone edit point is at 2:38, right after Paul sings "Girls School". Then you edit to Paul right after Girls School at 3:21 for his guitar. Start fade of your edited wave at 3:06 to 3:22. (It's also an earlier fade out) Label says 3:19, promo run time is actually 3:22. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 6:28pm
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I have two Let Em In DJ issues, one with stereo on both sides and the other mono both sides, both stereo and mono version have the same long and short version timing on the label. The mono is probably just a fold down of the stereo.
I compared the mono DJ edit to the mono full length side. They track together up until 2:24. That's about where the edit is, either on "Sister Susie" or the beat right before it. That means to create the DJ edit you edit out 2:24 to 3:34 and then fade the to the 3:44 end, as the short version never comes back for the cold ending. If I get time I'll compare the stereo one also to make sure it lines up the same way. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 6:05am
Always surprised me they didn't edit the Westminster chimes from the promo edit...it seemed that many/most stations cued past that anyway (I usually did). |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 09 April 2014 at 7:51pm
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Was there ever a DJ edit for "Give Ireland Back To The
Irish." Also, is there no difference between the a-side and b-side of the single (both have a listed time of 3:42 and my digital file runs that length)? ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 09 April 2014 at 9:12pm
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Santi, it seems that each and every Beatles and/or solo/solo-ish 45 on
Apple must be looked at individually (or is detailed in that Paul Haney- recommeded Beatles book, that I've had in my Amazon cart for 4 months now, waiting for some spare cash flow to finally order!) US stock 45s for Apple 1847 were white with the green shamrocks, had the hit version on one side, and an instrumental track of the song on the other, with some mumbling by Paul interspersed - this side had (version) after the song title. I have only ever seen US plain white label issues of it, all stamped with "TEST PRESSING - SIDE ONE" Some have a handwritten "Paul & Linda McCartney & Wings" artist and song title info on it. Some don't. His previous 45, "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" showed the artist as by "Paul & Linda McCartney", and I'm quite certain that the accountants at Capitol were thoroughly resistant to the idea of Paul making his new "Wings" group moniker official on vinyl, fearing that omitting McCartney's name from his new group's 45s could hurt sales. But McCartney clearly insisted, as both this and his next two stock singles went only by "Wings". This must've remained a point of contention with the suits, however, with 1973's "My Love" becoming the first apparent "compromise band name" - Paul McCartney & Wings. It hit #1, so it stayed this way for the next 5 45s. It eventually reverted back to just Wings, however, for 1975's "Listen To What The Man Said." These "Ireland" test pressings do show the clear confusion/panic with the overall "Wings Issue" at that very moment, though. It's another reason why I enjoy promo 45s so much - they can sometimes provide some extra light on things going on at that instant. A mini-diary, if you will. I've never happened to see a T.P. offered while an auction for one was active, but they almost always sold for over $100. That said, and for what it's worth, I have absolutely no info to indicate that what appeared on those US test pressings wasn't also exactly what appeared on the 1972 US stock copies. If I ever do snag one, however, I promise to report back on it for you, Santi! |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 10 April 2014 at 4:36am
| Bruce Spizer's excellent book doesn't show (or even mention) a promo 45 for this particular title, although he does show a picture of the test pressing that Jim references above. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 10 April 2014 at 9:51am
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Thank you Jim and Paul. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 10 April 2014 at 1:29pm
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I don't have the patience to write down all the editing
instructions, but Crapfromthepast is very good at explaining things to non-technical people. I'm sure that if anyone needs help, he could provide info. I have had to recreate a few edits myself. I recently did "Band On The Run" and the live "Maybe I'm Amazed". I need the 45 of "Getting Closer". ------------- |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 26 August 2016 at 7:23pm
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I've been searching for DJ edits the past couple of years and have had trouble finding 3 of the McCartney/Wings edits:
Jet (2:49) Band On The Run (3:50) Let 'Em In (3:43) Any help would be greatly appreciated! |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 29 August 2016 at 5:02am
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As long as we're discussing the McCartney DJ edits, the database notes a 2:49 and 2:42 edit of "Jet". Does
anybody know, is the 2:42 edit just an early fade of the 2:49 edit? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 29 August 2016 at 12:06pm
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I have a mono DJ edit for "Jet" (can't remember the
source) but it fades from approx. 2:41 to 2:52. It's possible the 2:42 edit may be an even earlier fade. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 01 September 2016 at 3:54pm
| I do not recall who sent me the information on the (2:42) edit of "Jet" so if anyone has a copy please step forward with the existence of such a release. The copy I have states (2:49) and runs (2:54). |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 01 September 2016 at 9:42pm
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The mono side of my "Jet" DJ 45 states (2:49), but runs (2:54).
It's a Los Angeles-pressed, Wally Traugott cutting. Deadwax: "Wly PRO-6827 - F - 1 •", "*" and "MASTERED BY CAPITOL" |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 02 September 2016 at 11:40am
| I re-timed my file and it runs 2:54. |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 29 November 2018 at 4:20pm
Add Silly Love Songs to this list. |
Posted By: garye
Date Posted: 29 November 2018 at 4:46pm
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I have 45 dubs of Jet Mono, Band On The Run Stereo Edit,
Let 'Em In, stereo, and Silly Love Songs, Stereo edit. I havbe the mono edits of Band, Let'Em, and Silly love Songs somewhere, but those I first mentioned are in a folder. Again they are 45 dubs in MP3 but if anyone wants any of these, actually have dubs of all McCartney 45's from 70's to early 80's including radio edits, PM me. |
Posted By: vanmeter
Date Posted: 07 August 2021 at 12:12pm
| I am still not entirely clear about "Let 'Em In" - does the short DJ edit fade at the end or ends cold? Reading the responses several times it seems like it's indicated both ways. |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 07 August 2021 at 1:44pm
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There's a 3:03 edit from a white label promo 45 that
someone uploaded to YouTube which contains the opening chimes but fades out before the "fake fade" and cold ending. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSqamq4DIDc ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
Posted By: garye
Date Posted: 07 August 2021 at 2:24pm
The Promo I have of Let Em In from 1976 fades out. Mine also does not have the doorbell opening, which some promos had. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 08 August 2021 at 5:52am
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Has anyone ever tracked down a copy of the 2:42 edit of
"Jet"? |
Posted By: garye
Date Posted: 08 August 2021 at 7:58pm
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Never seen a 2:42 edit of Jet.
Have had 4 promo copies over the years and all say 2:49. but time out at 2:54. If it exist would be pretty rare, and might even be a test pressing. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 09 August 2021 at 6:20am
I was sent an mp3 of this edit...gotta say it's MUCH smoother than the common radio edit...it's what Capitol should have put out in the first place. Don't know if was a legit release or if it was some sort of house/music service edit. |
Posted By: garye
Date Posted: 10 August 2021 at 12:09pm
I heard it yesterday, and it is much better than Al Loury's 1974 hatched job, which I understand McCartney really disliked. He did a much better job with Band On The Run later. But this being stereo since no official stereo edited version came out in 74, I get the feeling this is recent (last few years) edit. someone just wanted to do have some fun checking his skills editing (I've done several myself over the last few years). But a job well done when I heard it. |