seduction’s 4 top 40 hits
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Topic: seduction’s 4 top 40 hits
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: seduction’s 4 top 40 hits
Date Posted: 23 April 2006 at 8:16pm
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below is some pertinent information i've have regarding seductions 4 top 40 hits.....i've also transferred some data from another post that is relevant
1-you're my one and only (true love) (summer of '89 radio mix) (4:16) 2-two to make it right (7" remix) (4:16) 3-heartbeat (the clivilles/cole radio mix) (4:54) 4-could this be love (radio mix 1) (4:35) edtop40 Todd Ireland MusicFan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 689 Posted: 18 July 2005 at 1:09am | IP Logged Seduction - Two to Make It Right ==> Single version - 4:16. Album version - 4:41. (available on vinyl 45) The single version is the '7" Remix'. This information comes to you once again courtesy of Edtop40. Seduction - Heartbeat ==> Album - 7:02. (Whitburn - 4:54) (available on vinyl 45) Seduction - Could This Be Love ==> Single version - 4:36. Album version - 6:19. Commercial cassette single copies feature "Radio Edit 1" as the A-side/leadoff track. This is the version I always heard played on radio. The commercial single's B-side "Radio Edit 2" is an edit of the "Quiet Storm Mix" found on Seduction's CD Nothing Matters Without Love (Vendetta/A&M 5280) and has approximately the same run time as Radio Edit 1. ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 23 April 2006 at 8:23pm
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Interesting, I didn't know there was a 4:54 edit of "Heartbeat".
The edit I have on a German "Heartbeat" 7" single runs for 3:28. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 23 April 2006 at 8:27pm
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well it's not really an edit........it a remix, i believe.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 23 April 2006 at 8:50pm
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Well, the 3:28 version would in truth be a remix, too since it cannot be recreated by editing the 7:03 version on the album.
By the way, the 7:03 "Heartbeat" version on my "Nothing Matters Without Love" CD album is labeled "extended mix", and at that running time it must be. I also know this version was included on the maxi singles. Which is then the album version? Was there one at all? |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 23 April 2006 at 9:54pm
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Wow, I never realized a different version of "You're My One and Only (True Love)" was released on commercial single. This means then that the lone CD appearance of this song should contain the comment: (LP version) in the database.
As for which version of "Heartbeat" is considered the album version, I'd go with the one on the Nothing Matters Without Love CD. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:08am
| I have the vinyl 45 of "Heartbeat" and the "A" side is listed as the "Clivilles/Cole Pop Edit" running (3:29)while the "B" side is listed as the "Clivilles/Cole Radio Mix" running (4:55). Does the cassette single reverse the "A" and "B" sides? |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 1:07pm
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Do you know if any of the above radio edit/mixes is available on CD?
I remember seeing a "Heartbeat" Japanese 3 track 5" CD single with the extended, dub, and a short version which I assume is one of the two Pat mentions. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:23pm
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the "heartbeat" cassingle has as program one "the clivilles/cole radio mix" (4:54) and as program two "the cole/clivilles lp version" (7:01).....no 3:29 version on the cassingle.......all of these notes SHOULD BE listed in the database..........as far as if these official singles versions where ever issued on cd.........yes........i have all 4 official singles versions on cdr..........so yes, these single versions are available on cd somewhere.........either promo cd single or imports....... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 2:15am
I believe all four Seduction songs were issued on promo CD singles. (At least, I know for sure "Two to Make It Right", "Heartbeat", and "Could This Be Love" were. I have a copy of the latter.) These promo singles are fairly hard to find, so you're probably looking at spending at least $20 each when you do find them. |
elcoleccionista wrote:Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 8:25am
| Thank you Todd! |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 30 June 2007 at 8:39am
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pat, or anybody for that matter, can you confirm that the 45 for "Heartbeat" issued as Vendetta 1473 actually contains a 3:29 version.....i have a commercial 45 issued as vendetta VV-1473 (vv-01473-a). Run-out groove(a&m vv 01473-a-c5-g1) for "the clivilles/cole pop edit".....on the label it states 3:29 but after listening to it, it actually is the "clivilles & cole radio mix" running 4:54....the b side of my 45 states as the version "the clivilles/cole radio mix" vv-1473 (vv-01473-b). Run-out grooves says (a&m vv-01473-b (re1)-c7).....this version sounds like an instrumental with very few vocal and it runs 4:50.....my commercial 45 has NO 3:29 version at all even though it states so on the label.......can anyone confirm my findings......edtop40 ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 30 June 2007 at 12:25pm
| My commercial 45 also states a run time of (3:29) but runs (4:54) and has the same matrix number as yours Ed. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 04 July 2007 at 4:40pm
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pat...could you add the notations to the db i listed at the beginning of this post.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 26 December 2008 at 4:01pm
I believe I recreated the (3:29) 7" mix from the (7:03) CD mix. The edit is somewhat complex, with a repeated chorus and an inconsistent pitch change, but it appears to match my vinyl mix. Here how I recreated the edit from the CD: Pitch the track up 2.58%; from the resulting file, cut as follows: o Keep from (0:09.4) to (0:18.9) o Keep from (0:47.3) to (0:56.7) o Keep from (1:15.7) to (2:45.4) o Repeat from (1:43.9) to (2:17.2) o Keep from (3:47.1) to (4:15.4) o Then, from (4:15.4) to the end, return to the original pitch (i.e. down 2.52%) - probably an editing mistake, as this audibly drops the key. In the resulting edit, you should have edits at (0:00), (0:09), (0:19), (1:49), (2:22), and (2:50), and you should fade from (3:16) to (3:29). |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 01 September 2009 at 11:48pm
Seduction-"Two To Make It Right" (CD 17914) 1-7" Remix (listed 4:13; actual 4:12) 2-Original 7" (listed 4:13; actual 4:12) 3-The Cole/Clivilles Club Mix (listed 6:22; actual 6:21) 4-The Hip House Vocal Mix (Lead Vocal: Michelle Visage) (listed 6:19; actual 6:18) |
Posted By: budaniel
Date Posted: 03 September 2009 at 2:05pm
| The reason "You're My One and Only" had different releases was because, surprise surprise, Martha Wash originally did the uncredited lead vocals for the original mixes. The song was basically rerecorded by the finalized lineup of Seduction later on. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 03 September 2009 at 3:43pm
Really? See I thought that the "Heartbeat" radio version was just the first refrain and chorus repeated a second time. OK I'll send an MP3 to Aaron to comment on. OK, again Aaron, this is what I recreated off my LP, but I REALLY thought that this was how the radio single went. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 10:56am
I agree with you, Jody. The 3:29 version I referenced in an above post (on one version of the commercial US vinyl single) seems to be cut from the album version, with the strange pitch effects I mentioned. Aligning the tracks in a multitrack editor, I could hear the phasing effects suggesting they're the same source. Granted, it's hard to be 100% sure when comparing an old vinyl source to CD but I'm fairly sure it's not a remix. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 1:17pm
Jody, sorry I can't be of much help on this one. I'm not familiar with this song, and I don't have any versions of it in my collection. Thanks for jumping in with the additional info, Eric! |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 10 April 2013 at 4:18pm
| Can anyone confirm if the 3:30 version does exist since the vinyl 45 is mislabeled? If it does exist on CD can anyone describe it/send it? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 10 April 2013 at 9:00pm
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Here are the details for the other Seduction promo CD singles.
Jim posted the following in another thread regarding "(You're My One And Only) True Love": My commercial 45 has both a listed and actual time of (3:46), with no version notation at all on the label, and deadwax info of "A&M-VV- 01433-A-SP". I also own a promo CD single for this song (CD 17833), and it has the following: 1-Summer Of '89 Radio Mix (listed & actual 4:16) 2-Soft Sell Radio Mix (listed & actual 3:58) I have one promo CD single for "Could This Be Love" (A&M 75021 8082 2) 1. Radio Edit 1 (listed 4:37; actual 4:36) 2. Radio Edit 2 (listed & actual 4:38) 3. Quiet Storm Mix (listed & actual 6:20) I have two promo CD singles for "Heartbeat": CD17937 1. The Clivilles/Cole Radio Mix (listed 4:55; actual 4:56) 2. The Cole/Clivilles LP Version (listed 7:01; actual 7:02) CD18020 1. The Clivilles & Cole Pop Edit (listed 3:29; actual 3:28) 2. The Clivilles & Cole Radio Mix (listed & actual 4:56) 3. The Clivilles & Cole Club Mix (listed & actual 7:26) ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 13 April 2013 at 5:27pm
| Thanks Aaron! Any chance you can describe the difference between the Pop Edit and the Radio Mix? I have the vinyl 45 which I picked up at a flea market last week. The radio mix is not the radio mix on the CD17937 promo cd. The pop edit is the radio mix on the cd (mislabeled). |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 13 April 2013 at 6:12pm
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In case anyone needs this info I'll post the listed times
of the five versions of "You're My One And Only (True Love)" found on the 12" single VE-7021 (1989 A&M Records). A-side: 1. Club Mix 7:47 2. Dub Mix 5:23 B-side: 1. Freedon's Here (with RC/DC) 6:40 2. Underground Mix 5:04 3. Hot Mix 3:47 ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Loveland
Date Posted: 20 April 2013 at 7:24pm
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I have all the Seduction promos, if anyone wants the full details, including their final single, "Breakdown".
Also, and this has bugged me for years, which version of "(You're My One And Only) True Love" was the hit single version, the one that peaked at No. 23 on the Hot 100? Was it the original house version which features Martha Wash and Freedom Williams (huge hit on the Club Play chart), or the Summer Of '89 Radio Mix, which is a completely different song and features Michelle Visage? |
Posted By: DJghr1
Date Posted: 20 April 2013 at 8:12pm
Here in Tampa, FL, the hit version was the "Soft Sell Radio Mix" [A&M Records – CD 17833] (the version without the "woah-oh" & Michelle Visage on vocals). I believe the Orlando, FL CHRs preferred that mix as well. I can't speak for the other areas of the U.S. |
Posted By: musicmanatl
Date Posted: 21 April 2013 at 3:04pm
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I just listened to the club version and I've never heard it before. Because of the Joel Whitburn books, I always assumed that Martha Wash sang on the Summer of '89 Radio Mix! Wow. I'm glad I got that cleared up. :)
Frank |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 24 April 2013 at 6:59pm
| Can anyone describe the difference between the Pop Edit and the Radio Mix? |
Posted By: DJghr1
Date Posted: 27 April 2013 at 3:48pm
They're essentially the same, but the Pop Edit was chopped quite a bit more for Airplay. PM me if you need a copy for preview. |
Posted By: Loveland
Date Posted: 27 April 2013 at 6:56pm
Aaron, I can help you with that. The proper name of the 3:46 is the "The Hot 7" Mix". The only place to get it on CD format is on the German CD Maxi. Track 1 features Michelle Visage and Freedom Williams. Track 2 features Martha Wash (this was the hit version played on the clubs, at this point Seduction was a just a Clivillés + Cole studio project). Track 3 features Michelle Visage and Freedom Williams. Seduction "(You're My One And Only) True Love" Vendetta Records / A&M Records – 390 458-2 / 0 82839 0458-2 7 - Germany CD Maxi Single 1. (You're My One And Only) True Love [Club Mix] 7:47 2. (You're My One And Only) True Love [New York House Mix 2] 6:40 3. (You're My One And Only) True Love [The Hot 7" Mix] 3:47 |
Posted By: chendagam
Date Posted: 26 April 2017 at 3:05pm
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I purchased a second copy of the "Heartbeat" vinyl 45 by mistake last
week. Turns out this copy does indeed have the 3:29 version on it! So this means there were two commercial 45's issued on this release. |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 26 April 2017 at 10:07pm
This thread reminded me how the 3:29 edit has a dramatic pitch increase -- but only for most of the track, before the instrumental ending abruptly drops back to the original pitch. Do we know whether the 4:56 version runs at the faster pitch or the original album speed? I seem to recall the 4:56 version being on the cassingle but haven't heard that since it was new. |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 27 April 2017 at 9:09am
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I had never noticed the speed difference on the 3:29 edit, great
catch! Just checked the 4:56 version and it definitely runs at the slower album version speed throughout. |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 27 April 2017 at 9:18am
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By the way, compared to its album version, the "Two To Make It
Right" 45 version (7" remix) is also sped up noticeably, this one throughout its entire duration. |
Posted By: PaulEschen
Date Posted: 03 June 2017 at 12:11pm
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As far as "Could This Be Love," is the Radio Edit 1 version the same as the
Radio Mix 1 version? |
Posted By: AutumnAarilyn
Date Posted: 24 December 2023 at 7:23pm
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"Two to make it right" single remix was not included on
this disc: Tune up-Rock 40 #19. https://www.discogs.com/release/17713930-Various-Tune-Up- Rock-40-19 And to top it off that disc is a laser rot disc made by Discovery Systems! One to avoid! Happy diggin! |