kim carnes "draw of the cards"
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Topic: kim carnes "draw of the cards"
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: kim carnes "draw of the cards"
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:55pm
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to whom it may concern
the database needs a revision on this one the 45 issued as emi america 8087 is an edit of the 4:51 full cd/lp version....... the first vocals on the 45 are at the 0:18 mark while on the cd/lp version it is at the 0:35 mark the CORRECT note on all the entries for this song should be "lp version" and not "lp length" edtop40 ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 9:32pm
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another artist completed........nice edit on this one doug.......you guys are the best..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 2:30am
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Ed:
What is the actual run time of your "Draw of the Cards" 45? |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 7:10am
Thanks, Ed. That was a cool tune to try to replicate (never got the airplay it deserved--although you try following up a 9-week number one single). And my edit clocked in at (4:06)--although Ed's dub had about seven seconds of space at the beginning, so it ran (4:13) when he sent it to me. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
edtop40 wrote:Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 7:59am
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i agree.....run time is 4:06 ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 16 May 2012 at 4:07pm
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Just picked up an Australian import CD called "Edge of the 80s: Movers and Shakers" put out by TIme Life. I guess these are their version of Sounds Of The 80s but the track listings are very different.
Anyhow, "Draw of The Cards" was one of the tracks and it clocks in at 4:05 and has the vocal starting at the :18 mark as Ed mentioned above. I don't have a 45 to compare it to but I am assuming it is the 45. Just an FYI for those who are looking for this on a CD. Anyone interested in a copy, please ping me. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 03 February 2014 at 9:37pm
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This may the creepiest-sounding waltz ever to hit the charts! It seems to be in 3/4 time - count the beats as ONE-two-three ONE-two-three... It runs about 90.7 BPM throughout.
I like the song a lot, but I can certainly see how it baffled radio programmers in 1981, who expected another "Bette Davis Eyes". The 45 is an edit of the LP version. If you want to replicate the edit, *don't* use the Crazy In The Night cheapie collection from 1990 as your source; it uses noise reduction and has all the life sucked out of it. Much better is an 8-CD European set from Disky called More Greatest Hits Of The '80s (2000), which does not have any noise reduction. I recreated the 45 edit using this disc as the source. Here are editing instructions. Segment 1: 6 beats long. Extends from 0:00 to 0:04.4 of both the LP and 45 versions. Remove the 12 beats from 0:04.4 to 0:12.4 of the LP version. Segment 2: 18 beats long. Extends from 0:04.4 to 0:16.3 of the 45 edit. Extends from 0:12.4 to 0:24.3 of the LP version. Remove the 12 beats from 0:24.3 to 0:32.2 of the LP version. Segment 3: 144 beats long. Extends from 0:16.3 to 1:51.5 of the 45 edit. Extends from 0:32.2 to 2:07.3 of the LP version. Remove the 18 beats from 2:07.3 to 2:19.2 of the LP version. Segment 4: 201 beats long. Begins with a snare hit that falls on a downbeat. The transition between segments 3 and 4 sounds a little weird, but that's what's on the 45. Extends from 1:51.5 to 4:04.7 of the 45 edit. Extends from 2:19.2 to 4:32.4 of the LP version. The fade of the LP version has a really long tail. The 45 shortens up the tail. Add a 21-beat fade. The fade extends from 3:50.7 to 4:04.7 of the 45 edit. The fade extends from 4:18.5 to 4:32.4 of the LP version. Your mixdown will run 4:04.7, with edits at 0:04.4, 0:16.3 and 1:51.5. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 04 February 2014 at 9:29am
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To Crapfromthepast:
Creepy, but excellent record. I could be mistaken, but I would think the time signature of this cut would be 6/8 instead of waltz (3/4) time. (Only Dave Brubeck would've known for sure...) Andy |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 04 February 2014 at 9:36am
Andy - You're probably right. My formal musical training petered out before I got comfortable with anything other than 4/4. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 09 August 2015 at 3:04pm
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Question on the end of the 2nd segment: does the trill
stay with that segment, and run to the keyboard note starting the 3rd segment, do you edit before the trill, or do you get a little of the ending note of the trill before you jump to the 3rd segment? I made the edit at the end of the trill right before it lands on the final note, and it sounds OK, but I don't know what the 45 does there and I'd like to be accurate. EDIT: Based on https://youtu.be/2SQ58dz1HD4 - this video , it sounds like you edit before the trill. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Back2TheFuture
Date Posted: 11 August 2015 at 6:14am
| There's a Japanese import CD called Kim Carnes "Best Now" (Catalog# TOCP-9135) that has a 4:05 version of "Draw of the Cards" on it. Does anyone know if this would be the correct 45 edit? If anyone wants a copy to compare, please feel free to PM me. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 11 August 2015 at 6:49pm
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I no longer have the 45 needledrop that I used in 2014 to come up with the edit points, so I can't say definitively.
My recreation from 2014 has a trill at 0:16, heading into a downbeat. Thanks to Back2TheFuture, I can confirm that Best Now lacks the trill at 0:16. Best Now has its left and right channels swapped, compared to the 8-CD European set from Disky called More Greatest Hits Of The '80s (2000). Best Now also sounds like it uses a much higher-generation tape source than the Disky set. The video that Gene posted also lacks the trill. I think the only way to tell what's correct is with a true needledrop of the 45. Anyone out there with the 45? ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |