Bob Marley - Legend single edits & mixes
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Topic: Bob Marley - Legend single edits & mixes
Posted By: aaronk
Subject: Bob Marley - Legend single edits & mixes
Date Posted: 05 July 2018 at 11:50pm
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After doing some comparisons between the original CD issue of Legend and the Barry Diament mastered CD from 1992, I noticed there appear to be several single edits and mixes on the original disc. I have recently acquired several of these 45s, and my findings are as follows.
Original CD pressing contains: 1. Is This Love 3:54 - UK single mix identifiable by guitar overdub after the first line of the song; US 45 uses the LP mix 2. No Woman No Cry 4:04 - US single edit but longer fade edit on intro matches B-side of "Jamming" promo 45 (printed 3:57 & actual 3:58) but 45 fades earlier than CD; 1977 "Jamming" stock 45 also has printed 3:57 version of "No Woman No Cry" on B-side, which most likely matches printed 3:57 stock 45 of 1975 issue 3. Could You Be Loved 3:35 - US single mix identifiable by guitar intro, which has a slap delay and no reverb on guitar (LP version has no delay but reverb on guitar) 4. Three Little Birds 3:00 - LP version same mix as Diament CD; not issued as a single in 1977, but issued on 7" in the UK in 1980 5. Buffalo Soldier 2:44 - US single edit exactly matches the 1983 US promo 45 (printed 2:45; actual 2:43), which is likely the same as the 2:45 (printed) stock 45 6. Get Up Stand Up 3:15 - LP version & presumed 45 version same mix as Diament CD; I do not have the 1973 45, which has a printed time of 3:15; presumably, the 45 has the LP mix 7. Stir It Up 3:39 - Legend edit of Catch A Fire LP version not issued as a 45 in 1973, but an earlier studio version from 1967 was issued on 45 in the UK, as well as a live recording from 1978 in some non-US countries 8. One Love / People Get Ready 2:52 - presumed 1984 remix percussion has a LOT of reverb vs. the Diament CD; sounds like an '80s era remix 9. I Shot The Sheriff 3:48 - early fade of LP version unique to the original Legend CD; US 45 runs 2:57 and is an even earlier fade of the LP version 10. Waiting In Vain 4:10 - LP version missing the count off, but otherwise the same mix as Diament CD; 45 has a unique mix that is not on CD (additional percussion, a small amount of reverb added to drums, shorter run time of 3:29) 11. Redemption Song 3:47 - LP version & presumed 45 version same mix as Diament CD; I do not own the original 45 to verify, but printed time is 3:45 and likely matches the LP 12. Satisfy My Soul 3:53 - presumed UK single edit I don't have the 45 to verify, but printed time is 3:50; not originally issued on 45 in US 13. Exodus 4:18 - neither 45 nor LP version re-edit of LP version in an attempt to match UK single version, but there is an incorrect edit toward the end before the fadeout 14. Jamming 3:17 - UK single mix several mix differences and additional background vocals on fade out (does not end cold like LP mix); US 45 has an early fade of the LP mix and runs 3:20 ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 06 July 2018 at 4:07am
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Great catch, Aaron,
After all these years of owning this CD, I realized I have the Barry Diament version. Everything online appears to be the same version. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 06 July 2018 at 6:22am
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Is the original compact disc dated 1984? That's the one I have. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 06 July 2018 at 8:15am
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Yes, the original has a 1984 copyright date and according to Discogs was released on CD in the US in 1986. I'm not sure who did the mastering on it, but this is the one with the single versions. In 1992, Barry Diament was hired to remaster the CD, and he asked the label if he could use the original LP masters for the tracks. Island Records approved, so many CD releases since then have contained the LP versions. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 07 July 2018 at 6:07am
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I have only the Barry Diament CD and the first-pressing promo vinyl.
The vinyl had five remixes by renown engineer Eric 'E.T.' Thorngren. Did any CD pressings have these remixes? Andy |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 July 2018 at 12:32pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgvQYA9LPx8
Stir It Up on Legend matches this. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 July 2018 at 12:43pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agjhEh4eDIU
This is the 45 dub of both the A and B sides of the 45. Run time of I Shot The Sheriff matches Legend. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 July 2018 at 12:57pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjZixAuRaCg
Here is the Exodus 45. Matches Legend. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 July 2018 at 1:33pm
I skimmed through the credits of this CD release https://www.discogs.com/Bob-Marley-The-Wailers-Legend-The-Best-Of-Bob-Marley-The-Wailers/release/8105122 - https://www.discogs.com/Bob-Marley-The-Wailers-Legend-The-Be st-Of-Bob-Marley-The-Wailers/release/8105122 and didn't see any tracks credited with a remix by Eric E.T. Thorngren. Maybe the CD was different? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
AndrewChouffi wrote:Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 July 2018 at 1:36pm
This is a reissue 7" from 2005. The original from 1974 has "Put It On" as the B-side. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 July 2018 at 1:40pm
The record playing is the 2009 re-issue LP of "Legend." https://www.discogs.com/Bob-Marley-The-Wailers-Legend-The-Best-Of-Bob-Marley-The-Wailers/release/11159352 - https://www.discogs.com/Bob-Marley-The-Wailers-Legend-The-Be st-Of-Bob-Marley-The-Wailers/release/11159352 ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 July 2018 at 1:41pm
Nice find! I will edit my post above. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 08 July 2018 at 2:58pm
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"Could You Be Loved" is indeed the U.S. 45 Mix. This was
an edit of the 1980 12" single mix (except for 2 beats that had to be lifted from the 45). "Jamming" on this earlier release is actually the original U.K. 45 mix. The 1977 U.S. 45 mix is the common mix that appears on later pressings of "Legend" and current digital versions. The only difference is the 45 faded to (3:20) but on "Legend" it runs (3:32) and ends cold. MM |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 July 2018 at 4:45pm
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Thanks for that info, Mark! I'll update my post above. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 July 2019 at 2:22pm
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I recently came across a note on Discogs that said the US 45 of "Is This Love" uses the LP mix. Given the conflicting information, I went ahead and ordered a copy of this 45, along with five other Bob Marley US 45s. "Is This Love" is the first one to arrive in the mail, and Discogs is correct. The US 45 has the LP mix, as found on the Diament 1992 CD mastering and the 2002 CD mastering done by Ted Jensen.
As soon as the other 45s arrive, I will have further updating to do in my original post. The version of "Is This Love" with the guitar overdub, which is found on the original CD pressing of Legend, definitely appears on the UK 45. I was able to confirm this thanks to a video of the 45 playing on YouTube. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 24 July 2019 at 8:39pm
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Thanks for the heads up, Aaron. I replaced the original
Legend release with the Lp version from Kaya which I believe was the original LP it was from. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 24 July 2019 at 9:00pm
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Just noticed Mark's earlier post about "Jamming." Found a
45 on YouTube and matched the fade. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 24 July 2019 at 9:08pm
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Looks like I spoke to soon. I tried to fade Jamming to
match a U.S. 45 on YouTube and the two files don't match at the fade point of the 45. Could there have been an edit instead of a fade? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 24 July 2019 at 9:28pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9ZJDThyZAw
That's the 45 for Jamming. Anyone want to chime in? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 24 July 2019 at 9:34pm
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Ok, sorry to be posting so much tonight, but the original
release of Legend matches the 45 perfectly, not the later Barry Diament CD version. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 July 2019 at 10:28pm
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"Jammin" is another 45 I have on order, but it hasn't yet arrived. I agree with you that the YT video of the 45 playing appears to match the original CD pressing of Legend. I'll let you know when I get my copy which mix it contains. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 25 July 2019 at 10:06am
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Aaron,
I had an email conversation with Mark Matthews about this song. After some sleuthing, he determined the 45 playing on YouTube that I posted is actually a Canadian 45 which features the mix from the original pressing of Legend. The U.S. 45 actually matches the Diament pressing of Legend so it appears the Canadian 45 has the UK mix of Jamming. The UK mix is probably a completely different recording. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 25 July 2019 at 12:15pm
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Thanks for the update, John. Again, once mine arrives, I'll post the details. As we all know, there are many instances when two different pressings exist with different mixes on each. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 29 July 2019 at 9:23pm
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My "Jamming" 45 just arrived, but it's a promo copy. This is an early fade of the LP version, which coincides with Mark's stock copy. It appears that the original Legend CD must have the UK single mix.
I also received "I Shot The Sheriff," which is an early fade of the LP version. Fading from 2:43 to 2:57 will give you the proper 45 length. The last thing I can barely hear at the tail end of the fade is Bob singing "yeah." The third 45 I received today is "Waiting In Vain," which is also a promo copy that plays the same version on both sides. This is a unique mix and matches a dub of the stock 45 that I have. There is additional percussion and reverb on the drums, and as far as I can tell, this mix has never made it to CD. It's a very narrow mix and almost sounds mono. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 29 July 2019 at 10:59pm
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Aaron, thanks for the updates. Looks like I'll have to
order a 45 for Waiting In Vain myself and attempt to fade I Shot The Sheriff early. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 30 July 2019 at 10:24pm
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RE: "Jamming" .... the reason I decided the Youtube video
is a Canadian pressing is the label design. Even though the record is spinning you can see the title appears at the top. U.S. pressings have the title at the bottom and I'm willing to bet so does Aaron's promo 45. At first I thought the Canadian 45 had yet another different mix but after examining it, I found it is the same mix as the UK 45 and the early CD edition of "Legend." And yes I can confirm the early "Legend" is the UK 45 mix. I have a dub of the UK 45. MM |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 August 2019 at 1:46pm
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I received the other 45s I was waiting on, and I have updated the original post, as well as reformatted it for easier reading. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 07 August 2019 at 6:30pm
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Thank you for the added detective work. Aaron and Mark.
I just listened to "Stir It Up" on a deluxe edition of Catch A Fire and the mix is much narrower on that album than on the original version of Legend. On Legend, it also has some added reverb. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 August 2019 at 8:08am
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Which version were you listening to? On the 2-disc album on Spotify, the original album version is on disc 2. The version on disc 1 is labeled "Jamaican Version" and is a drastically different mix. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 August 2019 at 9:58am
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It was on Disc 1, track 2. Guess that is actually the
Jamaican Version. Never mind lol. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 September 2020 at 4:03pm
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For quite a while, I've been wanting a 1980s pressing of Legend on vinyl, as it's one of my all-time favorite albums. It showed up today in the mail, and it's a 1986 club issue (Columbia House). "No Woman, No Cry" on this LP is a presumably '80s-era remix of the original Natty Dread LP recording. This version has an '80s sounding drum machine when compared to the original, non-live LP recording. It definitely is NOT the version that is on the CRC/Columbia House CD version, as I also have that and it contains the original live single edit. As I write this, yet ANOTHER crazy '80s-sounding re-recording just came on: "Buffalo Soldier." This one sounds like a complete re-recording. *mind blown*
If I spot any other differences, I'll report them. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 September 2020 at 4:25pm
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Wow.
"One Love/People Get Ready" is the same remixed version that appears on the '80s-era CRC/Columbia House CD pressing. "Waiting In Vain" is a remixed version that does not appear on the CRC/Columbia House CD pressing. It retains the original vocal take of the 1977 LP version but adds '80s-sounding instrumentation. "Exodus" is completely re-recorded with '80s-sounding instrumentation and a vocal take that is different from the 1977 Exodus LP version. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 13 September 2020 at 6:16am
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To Aaron:
Is your US vinyl pressing the the same as mine (mentioned upthread) that has 5 mixes labeled as by Eric "E.T." Thorngren? Or is it another edition I'm unaware of (mine was a first-pressing promo). Andy |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 September 2020 at 9:26am
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Andy, it must be. I had forgotten all about your post from two years ago, but I just went back and re-read it. Yes, these must be the Eric Thorngren remixes. The copy I have is still in the original shrink, and I didn't want to remove the shrink to look for the credits. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Ringmaster_D
Date Posted: 15 September 2020 at 7:04am
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If I'm not mistaken I think the 2002 2 CD deluxe edition
of Legend contains all these remixes (and more) on the second disc. I don't own it so I can't confirm that they match the vinyl exactly. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 15 September 2020 at 7:11am
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I just ordered it, Dave. If anyone is interested in me comparing the vinyl to the CD, I'm happy to do so once it arrives. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Ringmaster_D
Date Posted: 15 September 2020 at 11:23am
Yes, I would be very interested to see your comparison. I had a buddy who heard my CD after owning the vinyl and told me that the CD sounded "wrong" to him. Now I know why. I haven't heard the remixes, but from your descriptions they sound like abominations to me. :) |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 15 September 2020 at 1:08pm
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 17 August 2021 at 5:06pm
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Revisiting this, I have a dub of what's labeled as a U.S.
45 version of "Exodus" that runs 4:00 and has much less reverb on the intro that the copy I have of the song Exodus on the 1984 pressing of Legend. The file on Legend runs 4:18. Is the 4:00 45 version available digitally? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 17 August 2021 at 7:16pm
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John, I can no longer find the YouTube dub of the US 45 I used for my comparison, but I can say for sure that the dub you're listening to has much less reverb for one reason only: it has some very heavy noise reduction applied. I'm not talking about modern-day NR; this is the same type of Dolby NR that was discussed in the "Puttin' On The Ritz" thread. That entire dub sounds incredibly muffled from start to finish, but it's the same mix as the 4:18 version. There is also an editing difference near the end. I wonder if more than one US pressing exists with different versions. Still, I can't believe Island Records would put out an official 45 that sounds as bad as this. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 17 August 2021 at 10:10pm
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The CD version of Legend that I am looking at has an Island Number of 422-846 210-2, while also showing the Tuff Gong label with three hands.
The CD is dated 1984 on the Island label and notes on the CD and insert, "Remastered from the original tapes by Barry Diament, Barry Diament Audio, NYC and Rob Froboni." Pressed by Island and a USA release. From What I read before, Barry Diament was again in charge of a re-master in 1992? So, what does that make this disc? I don't see any indication that this disc was produced in '92 other than most CDs weren't commercially available until 1985. So, this must be a 1992 disc? ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 18 August 2021 at 6:42am
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Yeah, that's probably a '90s era CD pressing you've got.
I also placed an order for a promo 45 of "Exodus," and I'll post what I find once it arrives. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 18 August 2021 at 8:24am
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I just ordered a promo 45 of "Exodus" as well. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 22 August 2021 at 11:28am
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Thanks to John's dub, I can now confirm that the edit on "Legend" does not match the promo 45 exactly. I assume the "Legend" comp re-edited the LP version to smooth out the clunky edit on the intro as heard on the vinyl 45. After making all the edits (the last of which does not match the vinyl), the producers didn't match the fade and left the original LP version fade in full. This is only a theory, however, because early in the thread, John shared a YouTube video of a 45 dub that I matched up the "Legend" edit. That video is no longer viewable, but at the time, I had matched it up to the "Legend" edit successfully. This makes me wonder if there is a stock copy that has a slightly different edit than the promo 45. The UK 45 definitely runs longer than the US promo and does have the same ending as the LP version. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: headstar
Date Posted: 19 November 2022 at 12:17am
Didn't know there was a unique 45 mix. I'd really like to hear this if anyone can send me a flac. |