Finding mono on CD
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Topic: Finding mono on CD
Posted By: PopArchivist
Subject: Finding mono on CD
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 2:11pm
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I've been working on compiling a list by each year of the 1960's top 10 in hopes of seeing what is clearly not available in mono on CD. I was wondering if anyone else has done this already or has seen where this info had been compiled by someone else.
Similar to what crapfromthepast did with listing all the tracks from the Hot 100 and then finding the best source, I want to see what would have to be converted from the 45 to have a truly top 40 mono collection of the 1960's that would need to be needledropped that is not on CD. I am aware of the 1968-1974 posts about the slow conversion of stereo replacing mono year by year, but this is more about the 1955-1967 period where mono was king. If anyone is interested, as I go through the top 10 year by year I can post here what is not available in the US in mono on CD. If anyone outside the US knows where to find the mono they can post it here. It is a huge project but I feel that if no one has done it, it would be fun to work to assemble it. The top 40 is the goal, but assembling the top 10 first would be nice. |
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Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 4:45pm
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That is an interesting project. I would encourage using some import CDs to help you in your search for the unique mono versions for some of those songs (especially those on the UK Ace label). They have released several CDs where they use only mono versions for each and every year in a series. Also, Brian W. is a big mono collector and he has documented many rare mono finds in this thread: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39&KW=mono - http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39&K W=mono ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 5:03pm
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Thanks. I checked the board and I don't think there has ever been a true thread dedicated to finding the entire 1960's top 10 in mono. The 1955-1959 period would be tackled later I wanted to focus on building the top 10 right up into the stereo era.
Brian W, if you have a list or want to see what I have come up with let me know. Is there anything you know of program or app wise that checks whether a file is truly mono or not? I am pretty sure my entire top 10 lossless of the 1960's is about 85 percent stereo outside of Motown, Beatles, Rolling Stones and Simon and Garfunkel and some CD mono only releases. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 5:16pm
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Yes! I'd be interested in helping create a list. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 7:38pm
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When you say top 10 do you mean the song charted at ten or higher on the Billboard Hot 100? I'm asking because at first I thought you meant it was just the top ten songs as ranked for the entire year. So for the entire decade you would only need 100 mono songs. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 8:30pm
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Meaning songs charted at ten or higher on the Billboard Hot 100 (for most years in the 60's anywhere from 92 to 105 hits depending on the year)
Sorry I did not clarify. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 8:46pm
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No issues. So you can add any of the DC5 top ten hits or those Wall Of Sound productions by Phil Spector to the list of the tracks that should be easy to find in mono. Same goes for the top ten hits on Cameo/Parkway. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 10:26pm
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Let's get this project started! I created a Google Sheet that can be viewed here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11dpTO-sd1YurwEfRQK52GcYbA3_prFfcqxD93DEN3OE/edit?usp=sharing - |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 7:59am
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I would suggest that the discussion be limited to non-U.S. releases, so that we don't copy information from Pat's copyrighted database.
These are 1960s Top Ten hits that I know of which are indicated in the database as never having been released on a US CD in mono that have been released in mono on foreign releases. (Availability in mono on even one U.S. CD disqualifies the song from the list for all eternity.) Roy Orbison's "Blue Angel" and Johnny Burnette's "You're Sixteen" are both on London American Label Year By Year 1960. Roy Orbison's "In Dreams" is on London American Label Year By Year 1963. The Kingston Trio's "Reverend Mr. Black" is on the original made in Japan (but also sold in the US) pressing of The Very Best Of The Kingston Trio. Louis Armstrong's "Hello Dolly" is on London American Label Year By Year 1964. Gerry & The Pacemakers' "Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying" is on You'll Never Walk Alone - The EMI Years. Peter & Gordon's "I Go To Pieces" is on Original Hits. Freddie & The Dreamers' "I'm Telling You Now" is on Ultimate Collection. The Association's "Along Comes Mary" and "Everything That Touches You" are on The Complete Warner Brothers And Valiant Singles. Petula Clark's "My Love", "I Couldn't Live Without Your Love", and "Don't Sleep In The Subway" are on the French E.P. collection. It also contains the mono LP version of "This Is My Song". The Hollies' "Stop, Stop, Stop" is on the expanded edition of For Certain Because. Jackie DeShannon's "Put A Little Love In Your Heart" is on Keep Me In Mind - The Complete Imperial Singles. There are two Gene Pitney Top Tens, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence" and "I'm Gonna Be Strong" which are available in mono digitally. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 9:07am
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Aaron,
If you would grant me access, I would appreciate it. For 1960 I could not find the following 45's on CD in their original mono domestically. If you know of where they are internationally (if at all) kindly share. Elvis- Are You Lonesome Tonight? Everly Brothers-Cathy's Clown Elvis- Stuck On You Connie Francis- My Heart Has A Mind of Its Own Connie Francis-Everybody's Somebody's Fool Brian Hyland- Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polkadot Bikini Floyd Cramer-Last Date Sam Cooke- Chain Gang Roy Orbison- Only The Lonely Jimmy Jones- Good Timin' Johnny Horton- Sink The Bismark Jeanne Black-He'll Have To Stay Brenda Lee- Sweet Nothin's Dina Washington- Baby (You've Got What It Takes) Lolita-Sailor You Home is the Sea Browns-The Old Lamlighter Brenda Lee-That's All You Gotta Do Conway Twitty-Lonely Blue Boy Connie Francis-Many Years Ago Ray Peterson-Tell Laura I Love Her The Everly Brothers- So Sad (To Watch A Good Love Go Bad) Brook Benton-Kiddio Brook Benton- A Rockin Good Way Bob Luman-Let's Think About Living Steve Lawrence-Footsteps The Platters-Harbor Lights John Burnette-You're Sixteen Connie Francis-Mama Steve Lawrence-Pretty Blue Eyes Roy Orbison-Blue Angel Little Dippers-Forever Neil Sedaka-Stairway to Heaven Ferrante & Teicher- Theme from the Apartment Anita Bryant- In My Little Corner of the World The sheet needs to incorporate a radio edit for El Paso which is entirely mono, which I have. Unsure of what CD it came off of, might have been an import. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 9:20am
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I agree Paul C that as long as it was released at all then it will not be included in the list. However it must be the 45 at the correct running time in order to qualify. Too often you see times that don't match the 45 but they are in mono, so keep that in mind.
Now I have no idea without looking but the 1968 and 1969 years did the stereo releases of the 45's also have mono releases of the 45's too (The Doors Hello I Love You for instance released a 45 in stereo if I recall in 1968 but I dont think there was a mono release). |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 9:24am
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The sample on Amazon of "Don't Let The Sun Catch You
Crying" plays stereo. I found "Stop Stop Stop" in mono on At Abbey Road 1963- 1966 --------------------- As Yah Shure knows, haha, I often turn to him for mono sources for 1960s songs. This list would be invaluable for me. I agree, the mono mixes often are much better than the stereo version. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 9:31am
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Not necessarily from the 1960's top 10, but I'm
searching for clean MONO versions of the following Frank Sinatra songs and have been for quite some time. I'm not sure if the MONO LPs match the MONO 45 versions: Fly Me To The Moon It Was A Very Good Year Luck Be A Lady My Way Softly As I Leave You That Old Black Magic The Best Is Yet To Come The Last Dance The Way You Look Tonight ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 12:08pm
I do appreciate your consideration of protecting the information in Pat's database, and that is definitely not the intention of creating the list. The database includes tens of thousands of CDs, whereas the proposed list will include just the top 10 hits and only one known CD source (preferably the most common and/or best sounding one) for each if it exists. It would not be copying information from the database. Furthermore, the database is not searchable by mono or stereo, nor can you search based on chart positions. In other words, you can't just run a search for top 10 hits in mono and copy and paste the data. Besides, I think most of the people interested in this list 1) already subscribe to the database, and/or 2) already own a good number of the CDs that would make it onto our list. Arguably, this is not much different than when Ron gives us the run down on all the CDs he has for a particular 45 version and his recommendation on the sound quality. He doesn't copy this info from the database, yet the info is in there (minus the sound quality recommendation). As a side note, for anyone who currently does not subscribe to Pat's database, it is an invaluable resource, and I highly recommend buying a subscription. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Paul C wrote:Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 12:09pm
Please send me a PM with the email address you use to access Google's services. Thanks! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: smallworld
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 12:56pm
These tracks are also available in mono on The Most of Petula Clark (EMI Australasia), which is likely a cheaper option for most than the EP box set. |
Posted By: smallworld
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 12:58pm
This track is available in mono on the UK CDs The Best of Brenda Lee (MCA) and The EP Collection (See For Miles). Both were released in 1995. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 5:24pm
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Just saw this thread. PopArchivist, I have many of those
songs on your list in mono on CD. I'll try to post the info tonight. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 6:29pm
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Would love access too, Aaron. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 6:52pm
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Cool! I'll add you as soon as I'm back at my computer. It's not letting me
do it from my phone. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 7:56pm
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I'll be inputting the correct verified running times of the top 10 as I get through compiling and comparing each year in my lossless collection. Edtop40 did a great job of verifying all the running times, I am just making sure that his work does not go uncredited.
I know Aquarius/Let The Sunshine In has a radio edit which I have, but I am unsure if it was released in stereo or mono, so if anyone can help with that PM me. I think El Paso is the only other top 10 radio edit of the 1960's that I am aware of (since everything pretty much ran around 3 min a 45!). If anyone knows of any radio edits we can add them into the comments section of the song. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 9:15pm
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I will update this specific post each time I update the excel file with time and discover nothing is available domestically.
1961 #1's not on CD domestically: Bert Kaempfert-Wonderland By Night Bobby Vee-Take Good Care of My Baby Highwaymen-Michael Elvis Presley-Surrender Pat Boone-Moody River |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 11:27pm
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The short "RE-1" promo 45 of "Aquarius" is definitely mono on at least one side and runs 3:00. I don't have the vinyl in front of me at the moment, but I can check the flip side to see if it's stereo should anyone be interested.
Two others I can think of with unique promo 45 versions are "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye" by Steam and "Penny Lane" by the Beatles. I made a comment for those songs on the spreadsheet. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 14 August 2018 at 2:20pm
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I started to input some sources I've had for mono (for at
least, 1960) ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 15 August 2018 at 9:32am
| I don't recall Elvis, like the Beatles, Ray Charles and Rolling Stones, ever having a mono box release. If anyone knows of any overseas import that has the mono releases all gathered it would be helpful. Is there some reason those mono recordings never made it to CD when they keep putting out Elvis after Elvis boxset over the last 25 years? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 15 August 2018 at 11:08am
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There is a collection called "The Rolling Stones In Mono"
that has a number of their songs from 1965-1970 in mono. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 15 August 2018 at 6:01pm
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Quick Note:
Recently someone put in Elvis and his 1960 hits the following source which has been deleted from the file: https://www.discogs.com/Elvis-Elvis-Forever-32-Hits/release/ 1591875 If you review discogs the original LP is in stereo and it even says it on the record label. It is not a mono release on CD. Be prepared to prove your source is mono if it is an import. Many of us might want to get it and if its in stereo I would say 99.9 percent of us already have all the Elvis in Stereo we can fit in our collection. Don't mean to harp, but if I edit and post a source, it is verified to be mono and I can prove it. Since I want to work to assemble to the top 10 in Mono it is important to be able to know for certain it is mono. So if you have some evidence it is mono, please provide it. I would rather be cautious because most of Elvis is just simply not mono on CD. If a source is already listed for a track put the source you feel better in the post. That way it will better help us make a better list! Thanks everyone it is coming along. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 15 August 2018 at 6:29pm
Aaron, I agree with you. Pat's database will help you find the mono version, but you are correct you can't specifically search for mono only. We are also compiling a valuable reference as many of us want to assemble the 50's and 60's top 40 but want to know what CD to go to and get a true mono version/best quality available. I almost had a heart attack when I see the price for the Ray Charles mono box set but it is the only place you can find the mono. There appears an Elvis mono set, but I highly doubt it is an official release, so whoever produced it made it look nice but it is not authorized. So what it comes down to is ensuring that when someone looks at the excel file they are guided to the best choices for mono that exist, and clearly know which needledrops are required to complete the mono 1960's. I agree that Pat's database is essential to any collector. I cannot tell you how many songs I have found simply by his vast knowledge in the database. Pat's database can only help us find some of the mono domestically if it is even available, but the work is still ours to do. |
Posted By: smallworld
Date Posted: 16 August 2018 at 10:26am
| Is the "A Date with Everly Brothers" CD cited on the spreadsheet from the Hallmark label? Amazon reviews state that the Collectors' Choice version is stereo. The Amazon reviews of the Hallmark release suggest it's poorly sourced and transferred from vinyl... |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 16 August 2018 at 11:48am
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It is mono on The Complete Us & Uk Singles As & BS
1956-62, Vol. 1 which is on the Acrobat label. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 16 August 2018 at 11:59am
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I was the one who entered the A Date With The Everly
Brothers. Going back and listening, I do hear some surface noise. It does sound much better on The Complete As, Bs ... . ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 16 August 2018 at 12:27pm
I was wondering about that one and suspected it might be a boot, as I've never found Cathy's Clown in mono. However, it was a Bill Porter-engineered song at RCA Nashville Studio B, so the mono was a fold-down. (Steve Hoffman quote: "Be aware, Bill Porter told me that every thing he ever recorded at RCA-Victor, Nashville, was mixed in stereo and folded-down to mono for the mono LP and 45 releases.") |
Posted By: Ringmaster_D
Date Posted: 16 August 2018 at 2:32pm
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Hi all. As we update the list I'm assuming we'd still
like to update it with any import CD's where the mono versions may be found, right? |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 16 August 2018 at 5:51pm
When in doubt, go with Acrobat first. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 16 August 2018 at 5:58pm
If a domestic option is available I would generally go with the domestic release first. If it is not available on CD in the US, go to the import next. If it is not available on the import, go find the original 45 and make a lossless file. Pretty much that is a rule of thumb. If the domestic release has poor source or sounds terrible feel free to discuss if you disagree with the choice on the list. The goal is to have mono, but a good source for each song. In my collection at least, I won't turn to the needledrop option until it absolutely does not exist on CD anywhere. As I get through the 1960's you will see a comment in the comment section that something is not available domestically. There are some songs that I noticed are only available in mono and not stereo. For those songs, I will note that in the comment section that domestically there is no stereo available. I will be doing the 1961 running times as soon as I can. As far as the Everly Brothers is that set you have mostly in mono John? I am working to reorganize my files from confirmed mono sources and want to know if the other top 10 hits are mono on it. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 16 August 2018 at 6:32pm
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It's all mono. Walk Right Back and, I think, Cryin In The
Rain, sound awful though. Over the top noise reduction on Walk Right Back. Perhaps it's sourced from vinyl as well. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 16 August 2018 at 9:03pm
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Thank you everyone for working to indicate where the mono is for these tracks.
Aaron, it might be helpful to create a 1955-1959 mono file of the top 10 so anyone who knows where those mono sources are can fill them in. How does everyone want to handle the 1970-1975 period of mono until stereo is above 90 percent? The same way? Because the percentage is still low from 1970-1972, mono releases still exist even if they are not as common. Do we just go with the stereo and use the last day of 1969 as the cut off? Any thoughts? Personally I consider anything from January 1, 1970 to be collected in stereo, since the record companies were releasing their albums in stereo and the 45's were releasing in stereo. The fact is that the only party needing mono were radio stations. True stereo existed in 1970-1975. While collecting the mono of this period from 1970-1975 is challenging, anyone agree or disagree with my position. On a side note, I feel that anything pre-1955 that is released is usually not in stereo unless they were a huge star or group. While challenging, I just don't think that era would make much of a difference if odd tracks were in stereo. Most collectors focus on the post 1955 to late 1960's era of mono. Let's face it other than Tony Bennett, Frank Sinatra, Glenn Miller etc no one is clamoring for stereo of the stars of the 40's or earlier. In my opinion whatever is out there is out there. I would even compromise and purchase lossy itunes and amazon because most tracks are not CD quality before 1955. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 17 August 2018 at 6:04am
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I'm happy to make a sheet with the 1950s top 10s. I'm also happy to
add the '70s if anyone is interested. I like to have the original single mix, so I enjoy finding '70s mono mixes on CD if that's how they were originally released on the 45s. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Ringmaster_D
Date Posted: 17 August 2018 at 6:07am
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Count me in as very interested in expanding the mono
list to the 1950's. There are still a few gaps in domestic mono, and I'd be very interested to hear people's opinions on the best sources. As for the 1970's, while I generally agree with your stance on stereo, there are still a few songs that have unique mono mixes with elements that differ from their stereo counterparts. I'd be very interested in a list that details these, but I'd need to rely heavily on the experts here. One other thing--how about adding a checkbox on the spreadsheet to indicate where we know the mono mixes are fold-downs of the stereo? That would be very helpful. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 17 August 2018 at 6:24am
While true stereo existed for most songs by the early 70s, the singles were still mono for the most part early in the decade and a good number of them (especially Columbia releases) were dedicated mono mixes. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 19 August 2018 at 4:28pm
You may want to move that up to at least 1972. ------------- |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 19 August 2018 at 9:32pm
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Added some more entries tonight. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 20 August 2018 at 7:02am
I would still give the stereo more credence from 1970 onward than I would the mono, regardless of whether the labels still released in mono. It is a personal choice to set the line at 1970. It makes sense that mono 45's during the 1970-1972 period can be found in stereo also and that stereo albums were clearly replacing mono albums (as evidenced by The Beatles etc releasing in stereo). |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 20 August 2018 at 12:47pm
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I believe there were dedicated mono mixes released after
1970 but many haven't made it to the digital world. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 20 August 2018 at 4:34pm
I certainly understand personal choice, but the cold fact is that singles were still largely mono in the early 70s. ------------- |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 21 August 2018 at 5:14am
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I do see your point, not saying to stop collecting the mono from 1970-1972, just saying that by that time stereo releases were more common compared to the entire 1960's period mono releases were more common. The stereo releases should be given equal credence to the mono from 1970 onward if they are available.
I forgot where the link is, but you can see the percentages of the top 40 in mono vs stereo from 1968 to 1975 and its clear that 1970 began a significant turning point. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 22 August 2018 at 5:48pm
| Fellow board members: Are we limiting the mono source to official US and import releases or are bootlegs that are not available everywhere acceptable to be listed? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 22 August 2018 at 8:45pm
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I added the sources I had. I'm sure there are bootlegs. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 23 August 2018 at 9:46am
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I'd vote to leave bootlegs off the list. They are not widely available, and
often times they are blocked/prohibited for sale from music sites like Discogs. I'd also recommend leaving off officially released sources if the sound quality is poor, even if it's the only available source. For instance, if the CD contains a mediocre 45 dub, there's probably no point in including it. Many of us can do our own dubs that are as good or better. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Ringmaster_D
Date Posted: 23 August 2018 at 10:08am
Aaron, I agree with your approach, especially for the bad CD sources. As for bootlegs, perhaps we can put the availability in the comments. I know, for example, that there are some gray-market Elvis mono bootlegs out there. If those are of good quality it would be good to have a note that they are available. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 23 August 2018 at 3:19pm
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That's a good idea, Dave, to have it in the comments section. At least it provides a source if there are no official CDs available. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 23 August 2018 at 6:06pm
| I agree with you Aaron, it will be in the comments only. |
Posted By: Ringmaster_D
Date Posted: 24 August 2018 at 1:51pm
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What do you guys think of adding a fold-down flag? I
would find this helpful to determine if a mono mix is dedicated or not. I'm not suggesting that we'll do the legwork to determine this for all tracks--but I know Aaron, Mark and others have made quite a few determinations already--so perhaps just a field that is "Y", "N" or blank. If no one else sees value I'll stop harping about it :) |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 24 August 2018 at 5:25pm
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Ring,
I would love to see this too and have mentioned it before on this board. I know it'd be next to impossible to be accurate for all mono 45s, however for those that have been determined to have been a dedicated mono mix, it would be nice to keep track of the info, somewhere. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 August 2018 at 11:58pm
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Dave & David, I added a checkbox column, which allows us to put a checkmark for a dedicated mix. I've been working quite a lot over the past week, so I haven't had a chance to add anything else. I will add the top 10s from the last half of the '50s and first half of the '70s as soon as time permits. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 03 September 2018 at 12:41pm
| Maybe I missed a link, scrolling through these 3 pages too quickly, but what list now has a checkbox column for dedicated mono mixes? |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 03 September 2018 at 5:15pm
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EdisonLite, the link is here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11dpTO-sd1YurwEfRQK52GcYbA3_prFfcqxD93DEN3OE/edit#gid=0 - 1960's Mono Top 10 On CD |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 September 2018 at 6:17pm
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Different browsers display things differently. When I open the
spreadsheet on Safari (iOS, iPhone), the check marks do not show, but instead, it's a column that says "true" or "false." ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 10 September 2018 at 8:55am
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I didn't want to do a separate thread for this but I thought it would be quite interesting from a collecting point of view to collect both the stereo and mono of each 45 on CD of the top 40 during the 1955-1967 period where mono was king.
For 1960's #1's so far, Running Bear, The Twist, Alley-Oop, Stay and Mr. Custer have no stereo releases, they were all mono only. While it might eventually spawn a different thread, I thought it might be worth discussing what top 40 hits never got a stereo version counterpart. Some stereo versions just make a song sound better, even though the mono is the accurate 45 representation... |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 10 September 2018 at 11:02am
How do you handle songs on cd that are not true stereo, but rather either rechanneled, DES or DCS creations? ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 10 September 2018 at 12:01pm
If its an official released version, I still keep the mono but label the stereo what it is. In the case of rerecorded stereo new versions of a hit song that came out after the 45 release, that I won't collect. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 20 September 2018 at 2:51pm
| Guess the project kind of stalled out! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 20 September 2018 at 10:11pm
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We're counting on you to keep it alive! Unfortunately, I am nowhere near finished organizing my '60s CDs, and I'm not going to be much help until I get that project finished.
I did, however, come across a rare promo compilation CD last week called Unidisc Then, and it contains a few mono tracks. I was hoping "Sweet Caroline" by Neil Diamond would be the hit mono single mix, but it sounds like they simply folded the stereo mix, unfortunately. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 21 September 2018 at 5:42am
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I've been meaning to contribute a lot to it, since I
have a ton of '60s mono I've found on import CDs over the years, but I'm just so busy lately. I'll try to sit down and add a bunch of updates soon. |
Posted By: Ringmaster_D
Date Posted: 21 September 2018 at 7:02am
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I've been very busy lately as well. I will contribute
more in the near future. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 21 September 2018 at 8:19am
I can assure you by the end of the year the 1960-1964 period will be a lot more filled in then it is now. Just like all of you, been busy. But I also added a new wrinkle by putting the stereo in the same folder where the version is available. While stereo did not exist then, to ignore it is no better then ignoring edited versions of songs or clean radio edits which are drastically changed from the dirty version. Plus it is quite interesting to hear what sounds better in mono vs what is out in stereo. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 17 November 2018 at 6:18pm
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Update:
For those curious, it has been tedious but I focused first on assembling the top 10 from 1955-1960 completely in mono from CD source only. If anyone on the board specifically knows an import or possible source for the mono on CD for what I am missing. 1958 Jimmie Rodgers - Are You Really Mine (2:24)- Every version available for download is not the actual 45 running time. I tracked down a foreign import that is arriving Monday that appears to match the time. If that fails, a 45 in mint will have to be obtained. Connie Francis - Frankie (1959) 2:30 - Every version available on CD or for download is there Stereo. There appears no known CD mono source for this song available, even as an import. A 45 in mint most likely will have to be obtained. Floyd Cramer - Last Date (1960) 2:25- Every version available on CD is in stereo. Jim Reeves - He'll Have To Go (1960) 2:18- Every version available on CD is in stereo. Sam Cooke - Chain Gang (1960) 2:35 - Trouble locating the Complete Singles. Is this it? That's the one the mono list says has the 45 in mono. https://www.discogs.com/Sam-Cooke-The-Complete-Singles-1956- 1962/release/9224467 If anyone has any suggestions, feel free to present them. I still have to go through chart positions 61-94 for the 1960 top 10 but this is where I stand right now. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 22 November 2018 at 9:05am
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Floyd Cramer/Last Date. Fold down the Stereo CD, as this
was engineered by Bill Porter (who balanced his mixes to fold down) And that is what your Mono 45 will be. Same thing for Jim Reeves/He'll Have To Go applies. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: R.Musil
Date Posted: 30 November 2018 at 9:43pm
Based on PopArchivist's earlier post, I can add the following info for the sources I've used for my collection for 1960. The majority of the CD sources are public domain collections from Europe (or UK) so the quality can vary. That Elvis "Mono Masters" is a multi-disc bootleg set in exceptional quality. If this is useful, I'll ask for editing access to the excel file and can add this plus more for the other years. I have these discs (or files from the discs & would definitely re- confirm the mono content before adding to the file. Anita Bryant - In My Little Corner of the World - 45 Bob Luman - Let's Think About Living - Grooving With The Grim Reaper Brenda Lee - Sweet Nothin's - 45 Brenda Lee - That's All You Gotta Do - The EP Collection Brian Hyland - Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini - The Very Best Of Brook Benton - A Rockin Good Way - American Music Library - The Hits Of 1960 Brook Benton - Kiddio - 45 Browns - The Old Lamlighter - America's Greatest Hits - 1960 Vol. 1 Connie Francis - My Heart Has A Mind of Its Own - Lipstick On Your Collar: The Collection Connie Francis - Everybody's Somebody's Fool - Lipstick On Your Collar: The Collection Connie Francis - Mama - Lipstick On Your Collar: The Collection Connie Francis - Many Years Ago - 1961 British Hit Parade - Part 1 Conway Twitty - Lonely Blue Boy - American Music Library - The Hits Of 1960 Dina Washington - Baby (You've Got What It Takes) - American Music Library - The Hits Of 1960 Elvis Presley- Are You Lonesome Tonight? - The Mono Masters Everly Brothers - So Sad (To Watch A Good Love Go Bad) - 45 Ferrante & Teicher - Theme from the Apartment - Sounds Of The Sixties - 1960 - Memories Floyd Cramer - Last Date - 45 Jeanne Black - He'll Have To Stay - You're The Reason: 30 One Hit Wonders: US Country & Western Jimmy Jones - Good Timin' - Radio Gold Volume 5 Johnny Horton - Sink The Bismark - American Music Library - The Hits Of 1960 Little Dippers - Forever - American Music Library - The Hits Of 1960 Lolita - Sailor You Home is the Sea - Hey! Look What I Found Vol. 3 Marty Robbins - El Paso (edit) - Country Number Ones Of The 50s Neil Sedaka - Stairway to Heaven - The Golden Age Of Rock 'n' Roll 1960 Platters - Harbor Lights - 45 Ray Peterson - Tell Laura I Love Her - American Music Library - The Hits Of 1960 Steve Lawrence - Footsteps - 45 Steve Lawrence - Pretty Blue Eyes - 45 |