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Topic: Radio & Records Top Pop Hits 1973-2009
Posted By: Paul Haney
Subject: Radio & Records Top Pop Hits 1973-2009
Date Posted: 24 October 2018 at 5:02am
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Well, it's finally happening!
We are now taking pre-orders for Radio & Records Top Pop Hits 1973-2009. Order now and save $10! Book should be out sometime in February 2019. Lots of different chart peaks from the Billboard Hot 100. Go to our website for more details! |
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Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 24 October 2018 at 5:38am
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Yay!
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 October 2018 at 5:58am
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I'm all over this one! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 24 October 2018 at 6:13am
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Of course I'm ordering this today!
What I really need in addition to this book is a distillation of the data of the 'New & Active' listings under the 70s & 80s R&R CHR charts (to give me an indication of when radio actually started to program the titles). Has anyone out there begun to compile this info? I know that the actual CHR chart info is out on the 'net but I haven't found the 'New & Active' info yet. Andy |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 24 October 2018 at 6:22am
Andy, we didn't do anything on the "new & active" info. I've been doing the basic chart research for the main chart only at this time. BTW, there are some mistakes in the online info. that I've uncovered. |
AndrewChouffi wrote:Posted By: RoknRobnLoxley
Date Posted: 24 October 2018 at 6:42am
| Locked & loaded!! Thanks Paul!! |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 24 October 2018 at 8:24pm
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Thanks Paul, an invaluable resource. Is on my to order list!
Anything going on sale or discount shortly that we should know about or any Xmas specials you are running? |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 25 October 2018 at 3:49am
| I am DEFINITELY pre-ordering this one! |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 25 October 2018 at 4:20am
We're running LOTS of big sales for Xmas. Our latest flyer goes in the mail today and the website prices should be adjusted very soon. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 25 October 2018 at 10:33pm
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Wow, this is great news! As you know, Paul, I've been campaigning for this book's release for a long time now!
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Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 25 October 2018 at 10:34pm
| BTW Paul, How long will this book be at the pre-sale price? With lots of big sales for Xmas and your mailer going out today, I'm just hoping I can wait for the mailer while still getting this book on sale. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 25 October 2018 at 10:37pm
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Also, what is the first date in 1973 where a Radio & Records pop chart was published?
(I hope one day you print a Weekly Charts for R&R, too, but that may be wishful thinking. I guess the Record World Singles Charts 1973-1982 is close to ready, and that the Cash Box Top 100 Charts The 80s is more of a possibility, since you commented that the '80s book would probably sell pretty good, based on the '70s and '60s ones. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 26 October 2018 at 5:18am
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The sale price will be good until at least the end of
January. If you're on the mailing list, you should get your mailer by the end of next week. The first issue of Radio & Records was dated October 5, 1973. On the first chart, they had a "last week" column, but since that was just an in-house, unpublished test chart, we chose not to include it (besides, we couldn't reconstruct a full Top 20 because we had no idea what might have fallen off that test chart to make room for any new entries). The Record World Singles charts 1973-82 will HOPEFULLY be out early next year (2019). |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 26 October 2018 at 6:47am
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I'm in too!!
I've been wanting to update my (1996) Top Pop Singles for a while now but have been reluctant due to the fact that by the mid 90s the Hot 100 had become more and more dominated by unfamiliar rap songs that received little airplay. Even the radio stations that I worked for in the 90s (and beyond) had let their Billboard subscriptions lapse due to the decreasing relevance of the charts (as well as the price). |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 26 October 2018 at 8:15pm
| Thanks for the info Paul. |
Posted By: RoknRobnLoxley
Date Posted: 04 November 2018 at 7:24pm
| Paul, now that you and Joel are branching out into other charts for your Record Research books, how about the possibility of producing a singles chart book for Your Hit Parade, or Variety? I would guess slim and none, ha, but I sure would be interested, as I'd guess others would be, too. Cheers! |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 05 November 2018 at 3:39am
We've discussed the possibility of Variety, not sure there would be enough demand. There already was a book done by someone else for Your Hit Parade several years ago. |
Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 07 November 2018 at 1:24pm
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I always used this site:
https://wweb.uta.edu/faculty/gghunt/charts/chart.html Not as pretty as your book - plus no B-side or Label & Number data but he does show nifty graphs of the song's chart run. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 08 November 2018 at 12:50pm
A few thoughts.... 1. I've uncovered some data errors on that site. Our book corrects those errors. 2. For some reason, that site doesn't count the frozen week(s) at the end of each year. They really should be counted and our book will include them in the totals. 3. As of August 2006, they stopped following the charts published in R&R. Our book will include the data as published in R&R for 2006-2009 (the publication ceased with the 6/5/09 issue). |
Posted By: RoknRobnLoxley
Date Posted: 14 November 2018 at 3:16pm
Thanks for the tip, Paul! I was able to snag a gently used copy of the Your Hit Parade book on the www. Interesting stuff for 1935-1940, and interesting to compare 1940-1958 against Billboard. Though I already have your 2 excellent Pop Memories books, and your Pop Hits book 1940-1954. Cheers n crisps... |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 17 November 2018 at 11:10am
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Paul,
Now that Record Research is seriously researching properties other than Billboard, I have been giving the situation a lot of thought. I know - based on your comments - that RR has been going through a few challenges and is stripped down staff-wise. Reaching a bigger audience would certainly help in the short term. I am not certain about procedures - or the cost of licensing - but have you ever considered an Official UK Pop chart book, for sale primarily abroad? Having lived there a few years ago, I can attest to the fact that the British - across all demos - are FAR more "Chart Addicted" than their American counterparts. With Joel's reputation for being the world's predominant chart authority, I can't imagine a book in the vein of "Top Pop Singles" would not generate major interest in Europe - and here, too. For 19 editions, Guinness published the "British Hit Singles" books, but one hasn't been out since 2006, so I know there must be pent up hunger there. Just a thought! |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 18 November 2018 at 9:04am
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To be honest, Joel has little to no interest in the UK
charts, or any foreign charts for that matter. So, I don't see us ever delving into those. |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 18 November 2018 at 11:11am
| Ah, I see - fair enough. |
Posted By: RoknRobnLoxley
Date Posted: 18 November 2018 at 2:16pm
FYI, towards the end of the Guinness book run, the Official Charts Co (OCC) was licensing themselves out to several other authors who were producing chart books. Graham Betts produced 2 chart books around the mid-2000s, as did Warwick-Kutner-Brown, who put out 3 editions. Then for some reason Guinness threw in the towel. The next set of 'official' chart books were produced by Virgin Books, they did the UK singles for 2008 and 2010, as well as an album book, and a singles record charts book. And that's the last of the UK books, I think. But check out Amazon UK to be sure. I've heard from others that chart books just no longer sell in the UK. Plus you can now go to the Official Charts website and get all the charts online, and well as all kinds of data. Search your fave artist and see all their charted records. But be aware, the OCC site has bugs. They have not done their own research, they instead bought their data from 3rd parties who did their own research, which had some bugs, which got carried over to the OCC site. Then there's the other issue which I've stated before, that there was no 'official' chart prior to Feb 1969, but rather 5 major independent charts. The OCC sometime after 2001 decided to falsely rewrite history and claim there was an 'official' chart for the 50s (NME) and the 60s (Record Retailer), but that is a bogus lie. NME is a good chart to use for the 50s, but Record Retailer was the worst possible choice for a 60s chart. Because of a ridiculously small sample size, it was odd man out compared to the other charts. Then with the Guinness books, just so you know, they did not claim that their 50s & 60s chart data was 'official', they simply informed you what charts they were using for their books. Brits innocently assumed that the Guinness 50s & 60s data was 'official' by osmosis, but it simply was not the case. |
Posted By: kingofskiffle
Date Posted: 19 November 2018 at 12:58pm
The Official Chart Company, who own some of the cannon, did a book a little more recently (2010) using data from a gentleman called Graham Betts and while it did have errors in it the Virgin Book Of British Hit Singles Volume 2 was the last printed edition of the UK chart data. Since those books finished others have tried to fill the gaps. Myself being one such person (www.thechartbook.co.uk) who has tried to fill the gaps and emulate the accuracy of Joel's books (Which, by the way, I own several of, if over 20 is several!). The Virgin book does have errors and inconsistencies but does not try to list B-Sides or Composers and, I have to say, the overall quality of the book isn't quite up to Joel's standards. I've created books for each decade and have so far completed 1950's, 1960's and 1970's and they do list Composers and Writers. If you have questions about UK charts then I'll happily try and answer (though possibly not in this thread!) |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 12 February 2019 at 5:39am
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A quick update: The book is finally going to the printer
later today. Should be arriving here by mid-March. A little bit later than we had anticipated, but we wanted to make sure we got everything right! Thanks to everyone here that ordered a copy. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 February 2019 at 6:43am
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Looking forward to it! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 12 February 2019 at 7:59pm
| Thanks Paul! Is your next big thing the Top Pop Singles 1955-2018 for later this year? |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 13 February 2019 at 5:00am
Yes. Joel has already been working on it and I'm starting on it very soon! |
Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 13 February 2019 at 1:47pm
Don't forget that you also just announced "Record World Singles Charts Vol. 2 1973-1982" which is expected late March. Book delivery later than originally expected...that NEVER happens!!! Except for every time but we all expect it...didn't you mention in your youtube bio that the first book you ordered (before working at RR) came a little later than you were expecting. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 13 February 2019 at 2:52pm
We've actually gotten better with the anticipated dates over the years. It's especially hard to guesstimate with a project like the Radio & Records book that must be done from scratch. I put in plenty of my own time on the project too, which many don't realize. The 1986 Top Pop Singles book that I ordered was expected to be available in "March/April 1987", but I didn't get it until the first week of August (now THAT was a wait!). Of course, that was long before I started at Record Research, LOL! |
Posted By: RoknRobnLoxley
Date Posted: 14 February 2019 at 8:40am
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Thanks Paul !!
Locked and loaded on the new Record World book !! |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 05 March 2019 at 2:56am
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Paul, so are both of these coming out around the same time:
Radio & Records Top Pop Hits 1973-2009: A quick update: The book is finally going to the printer later today. Should be arriving here by mid-March. "Don't forget that you also just announced "Record World Singles Charts Vol. 2 1973-1982" which is expected late March. " I believe I pre-ordered only one of these 2. I didn't realize both can be ordered. Am I understanding this correctly and that both will be coming out within a couple weeks of each other? (And Paul, can you confirm if I only ordered one. I definitely want to buy both :) |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 05 March 2019 at 12:16pm
Gordon, we have you down for the Radio & Records book, but NOT the Record World Charts 1973-82. The R&R book should be here in a couple of weeks and the Record World book should be here by mid-April. |
Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 11 March 2019 at 12:15pm
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Hey Paul, the Radio & Records charts ended in 2009. Is
there another Billboard chart that might be considered it's successor or a close approximation as to what these charts actually charted? |
Posted By: JMD1961
Date Posted: 11 March 2019 at 1:12pm
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The Mainstream Top 40 (Pop Songs) chart in Billboard is
actually the continuation of the R&R CHR chart. From 2006 to 2009, Billboard owned R&R, and both publications had the exact same charts. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 12 March 2019 at 4:57am
JMD beat me to it. BTW, the books are scheduled to arrive at our offices by the end of the week. |
Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 12 March 2019 at 8:07am
Hmmm...seems like a potential book in the making. Top Billboard "Pop" singles from 1992 onward - seems this chart resembles the old Hot 100 - much more than the current Hot 100. You've already have done the 1992- 2009 research...I know it's not going to happen, but just saying! PS are you still going to call the updated book "Top Pop Singles 1955-2018"? The current chart really isn't pop but all-genre. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 12 March 2019 at 8:19am
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Yes, the new book will be titled Top Pop Singles 1955-
2018. We will be revising the artist ranking formula, starting with the streaming era in 2007. |
Posted By: kingofskiffle
Date Posted: 12 March 2019 at 1:50pm
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Have you thought about adding the 1940-1954 data to it? Maybe for the
2020 edition? 80 years of Billboard charts? Not going to add more than a few pages I’d suggest. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 13 March 2019 at 5:36am
Would add WAY more than a few pages; probably over 100 at least. I highly doubt it will ever start earlier than 1955. |
Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 13 March 2019 at 2:55pm
The singles part of "Pop Hits 1940-1954" is about 120 pages. They are the smaller book size so it would likely add 80 or so pages with the larger size book. Of course both the R&B and C&W books go all the way back to the first charts so it kind of makes sense that all three were the same, but how many pounds would that book weigh? Probably a tad bit smaller than the "Top Pop Albums 1955-2016" book. The Hot 100 hasn't been a "Pop" chart for quite some time now so using Top Pop Singles in the title is not 100% accurate. Maybe call the book "Top Hot 100 Singles" but then again the Hot 100 didn't start until 1958 so what do you do with 1955-1958?. Damn if you do, damn if you don't! Doesn't bother me either way because I have never looked at my "Top Pop Singles 1955-2015" except for the day I bought it. I will not be buying the updated book (have bought everyone since the 3rd edition) because I will never read it. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 20 March 2019 at 10:14am
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Books arrived here yesterday afternoon (3/19). All orders
are now being shipped! |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 20 March 2019 at 1:41pm
Do you have the link to the website? |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 20 March 2019 at 4:57pm
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Paul,
Next up Top Pop Singles 1955-2018? I wonder if at some point the print size will get to be too many pages that you will have to do a 1955-2024 Book 1 and Book 2 for example. I could see 1940-1954 being added if that were the case. By the way been curious, for the non-hot 100 airplay hits for an artist how do you determine if it gets listed or not. For example Miles Away by Madonna got a lot of airplay in 2008 but never charted at all if I recall, yet its not listed in her hits like Into the Groove etc are. It would be hard to draw the line as to what is classic and what is not I would think. |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 20 March 2019 at 7:29pm
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Miles Away did make #1 single sales and #2 on the dance
chart, though. Miles Away was mentioned in the 1955-2012 edition - granted, it was in the back of the book in the #1 sales-only hits section (page 1090) |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 21 March 2019 at 5:12am
Just go to recordresearch.com |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 21 March 2019 at 5:19am
Yes, we're hard at work on Top Pop Singles 1955-2018. The "Classic Non-Hot 100 Songs" are just an added bonus. There are some qualifications (#1 on another chart, did it receive an industry award, did it get a lot of airplay as an album cut, etc.), but it's also based on the Record Research staff's subjective opinion as well. Obviously, there will be some arguments over what constitutes such a thing. We don't even always agree among ourselves, but Joel has the final say on what gets in. We've always shied away from splitting the books into separate volumes. Not too many customers would be willing to pay for two volumes and it would also double our printing costs. As for doing e-books, those just haven't taken off as we had hoped. Most of our customers still want the print books. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 02 April 2019 at 1:15pm
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Just got my copy and it's a hit! It's especially fun to browse through to find the entries that didn't crack the Top Pop Singles book.
Paul, nicely done and thanks for your stellar work! |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 03 April 2019 at 3:47am
Greatly appreciated. Thank you! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 April 2019 at 6:38am
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Awesome book! I'm so happy to finally have a book covering all of the Radio & Records CHR charts. The site has been a handy reference for many years, but it doesn't feel "definitive" until Joel and Paul put it in print. :) ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 03 April 2019 at 9:09am
Thanks you, Aaron. Putting this book together was one of my favorite projects! |
Posted By: FrankG
Date Posted: 06 April 2019 at 3:38pm
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I'm anxiously awaiting my copy, so I'm glad to hear that others
have received theirs so I know mine is on its way. :) |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 07 April 2019 at 6:27pm
| I got my copy a few days ago, haven't had a chance to really go through it yet, but from what I've seen, I love it. Paul, I can see this book being one of your favorite projects! I've always loved the R&R charts; and although I had some notebook I bought from them that compiled their charted hits, having this official book is much better. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 07 April 2019 at 6:40pm
How does Billboard's "Pop Songs" chart (available online but not in the magazine) differ from their "Mainstream Top 40" chart (available in the magazine but not online)? I know the "Mainstream Top 40" chart has only 30 songs (ironically), not 40 like "Pop songs". But are they tabulated differently? And if so, how? (and have they always been?) It's odd if this is the same chart but titled differently depending on online vs. magazine! |
Posted By: JMD1961
Date Posted: 08 April 2019 at 2:09am
I believe that THAT is actually the case, though. I can't say for certain,however, as I don't ever look at the published magazine. Just online. Likewise, I believe that the online "Adult Pop Songs" chart is still referred to as "Adult Top 40" in the magazine. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 08 April 2019 at 3:42am
Yes, same chart, different names. |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 08 April 2019 at 4:02am
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The "Mainstream Top 40" chart IS 40 titles deep, not 30. They curtail it on the
magazine for reasons of space. The chart is called "Pop Songs" online as that has a punchier and better branded name to use in all of their Chartbeat columns. On Billboard.biz and the magazine, it is Mainstream Top 40 as apparently that is the source used by Music Professionals who work in the business (and the radio format, Mainstream Top 40), who wouldn't know what "Pop Songs" really alludes to. |
Posted By: RoknRobnLoxley
Date Posted: 08 April 2019 at 6:33am
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Hmmm... I think this calls for a new Record Research book, "Billboard Top Pop Radio Airplay", going back to whenever BB started their separate pop radio airplay charts. Mid 80's? (Thus, a BB parallel to the new Radio & Records book, with potentially many more records/chart positions, and continuing into the future.)
Because today's Hot 100 is not a pop radio format chart, it's an "every-format-squashed-together" chart. Wink wink, nudge nudge... Groovy baby, yeah! Who's with me? Thanks Paul, if... |
Posted By: kingofskiffle
Date Posted: 09 April 2019 at 2:41am
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Anybody else having trouble accessing the record research website? I
can’t access right now getting a server error message. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 09 April 2019 at 3:45am
Our website went down on Sunday morning (4/7). The proper people have been alerted and we hope to be back up and running soon. In fact, I had hoped we'd be back up this morning (4/9), but still nothing yet. Very frustrating as I can't even access my personal RR e-mail account! |
Posted By: kingofskiffle
Date Posted: 09 April 2019 at 9:04am
Thanks Paul. Just checked and it’s back now. Slow but back. Don’t you just love modern technology... :) |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 09 April 2019 at 9:07am
| Yes, the website is now up and running (4/9). |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 09 April 2019 at 11:14pm
I'm with you. I'd love to see a book like that. But we'll have to see if Paul and Joel feel it's a viable book to print. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 10 April 2019 at 3:33am
I'd love to see it too. The problem is that Billboard didn't start publishing their airplay charts until October of 1984, so a huge chunk of some great years prior would be missing. However, never say never when it comes to Record Research. I never thought we'd be publishing so many non-Billboard books these past few years, but we did! |
Posted By: RoknRobnLoxley
Date Posted: 12 April 2019 at 11:07am
Hmmm... I totally did not know this: "The Mainstream Top 40 (Pop Songs) chart in Billboard is actually the continuation of the R&R CHR chart. From 2006 to 2009, Billboard owned R&R, and both publications had the exact same charts." Thanks for that tidbit, JMD1961! Logic would thus seem to indicate that the just published R&R book should perhaps one day be revised/extended beyond 2009 with the continuing Billboard Mainstream Top 40 (Pop Songs) chart data. That could suffice until Joel/Paul give a green light to put together a Billboard Top Pop Airplay book. Fingers crossed !! |
Posted By: RoknRobnLoxley
Date Posted: 19 April 2019 at 11:15am
| Record World Vol 2 Singles Charts 1973-1982 just arrived! Awesome book of history, thanks Paul for all your efforts! |
Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 23 April 2019 at 2:20pm
Got mine today. In the past my RR books always had binding issues after much usage. In fact now I just reinforce the cover binding with clear mailing tape when I first get them. Now the past three books I’ve received all came with warped covers - both sides. Seems the covers are getting thinner and they warp during shipping or maybe they came that way from the publisher. Awhile ago I had the same issue and complained. They replaced the book but it was worse than the original. Really don’t have a method to “unwarp” then, |
Posted By: kingofskiffle
Date Posted: 24 April 2019 at 3:14pm
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Personally I’ve not found this issue at all with the Record Research
books. They all have lovely quality paper and don’t seem to fall apart or warp. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 25 April 2019 at 4:34am
Not sure what you mean by "warped covers", did you try setting them on a table or something with a weight on top for a few days? All of my RR books are soft cover/paperback, but other than really old ones (like the orange-cover ones from the 70s) all have stood up well. |