Tom Clay - "What The World.../Abraham..".
Printed From: Top 40 Music on CD
Category: Top 40 Music On Compact Disc
Forum Name: Chat Board
Forum Description: Chat away but please observe the chat board rules
URL: https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=903
Printed Date: 13 August 2025 at 11:15pm
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.07 - https://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Tom Clay - "What The World.../Abraham..".
Posted By: jimct
Subject: Tom Clay - "What The World.../Abraham..".
Date Posted: 04 May 2006 at 10:48pm
| I have two different promo 45s: One has the listed (6:10) stock 45 time for both the mono/stereo sides, and like the stock 45, actually runs (6:16). With radio asking for a shorter version, this "new" promo's label is typed all in attention-getting red; both the mono/stereo sides state "short version"; both sides list a time of (5:19), but both actually run (5:25). It is still Mowest 5002F, but has an "A" after the F on both sides of the label, not appearing in the deadwax. That is MW5002F-P4278-60460-1B-M-RE-1; stereo same, except for 2B-S replacing "1B-M". The difference in the two versions is the editing out of the entire platoon segment, just after Clay's questions to the little girl the first time - those are still heard twice, even on this short version. Finally, to keep the "spirit of short", they dropped the "Abraham..." co-title, and this short promo 45 simply titles it "What The World Needs Now Is Love". |
Replies:
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 05 May 2006 at 6:22am
| Jim, does your dj copy with the (6:10) stated time on both sides list the title with "Abraham, Martin & John" as part of the title? My dj 45 with the (6:10) stated time on each side does not mention "Abraham, Martin & John". |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 05 May 2006 at 10:52am
| Pat, I have 3 copies of the (6:10) on both sides DJ promo 45 (one of which is now on its way to you as part of your collection.) All 3 of them have the title area shown exactly as (Line 1) Tom Clay's (Line 2) "WHAT THE WORLD NEEDS NOW IS LOVE" (Line 3) (H. David/B. Bacharach) (Line 4) "ABRAHAM, MARTIN AND JOHN" (Line 5) (D. Holler) (Line 6) TOM CLAY. My stock copy is set up the same, except it omits (Line 1). I have never seen any (6:10) promo 45 listed the way you describe, Pat, which was why I worded my earlier post the way I did. I really appreciate the good additional info on this. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 11 January 2008 at 4:37pm
| Can the description of the 5:25 edit be clarified? Even with the platoon section removed, I come up with variations from 5:22 - 5:31. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 1:35pm
|
I'd posted these scans on http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4098&PN=1&TPN=3 - The Complete Motown Singles thread :
Original unedited promo 45, which differs from Jim's description above (and sounds more like Pat's copy) : 
Reserviced promo 45 edit, issued to radio in the first part of August, 1971: 
|
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 4:29pm
|
John:
Guess I'll re-ask my question from January 11th. Can you determine the edit points to recreate the 5:19 reserviced version? |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 10:36pm
|
John, in addition to the platoon segment that Jim mentioned, there is a second segment edited out. At the beginning of the Martin Luther King section, the Blackberries sing:
Anybody here seen my old friend Martin? Can you tell me where he's gone? Then these lines are edited out: He's freed a lot of people But it seems the good, they die young The edit sounds a bit awkward, as it comes just before the word "he's," leaving intact the transitioning note for the lines that ended up being cut. Without the rest of the chorus, that note sounds peculiar hanging there by itself. I don't have the track on CD, so I'll shoot you a dub and you can report back on your findings. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 11:40pm
|
Mr. Pratt was very kind to send along a dub of the short promo 45 version.
To recreate this edit... Keep 0:00-0.37.948 (The edit cuts off part of her k in sick, but if you edit carefully, you can keep it there) Remove 0.37.948-1:25.004 Keep 1:25.004-2:42.090 Remove 2:42.090-2:48.148 (Again, smooths out a choppy edit, if you wish) Keep 2:48.148-end Resulting edit runs 5:25.09 |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 1:10pm
|
I had this copy filed with the novelty records. This one - from American Record Pressing Co. (ARP) - matches Jim's long version description.
And speaking of American Record Pressing, today, October 30th (as I'm typing this) marks the 36th anniversary of the day in 1972 when ARP literally went up in flames. 
|
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 9:03pm
my commercial 45 for the boards review
 ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 9:25pm
| Ed: Looks as though yours was in a cutout bin at one time...Memory is hazy, wasn't that what the holes in the label were for? |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 9:28pm
|
i think you're correct about that, my friend.....don't know where and when i picked it up, but after posting the scan i recognized the cut-out!! ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 9:36pm
| (post deleted by Yah Shure) |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 9:40pm
| Well, in 1971, hole in the ocean... 2008, holes in the ozone... go figure. ;) |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 07 August 2010 at 10:49pm
| Okay, I'm confused. Was the commercial 45 for this mono or stereo? The full-length version is only stereo on "The Complete Motown Singles 11A," but the scan they show of the label of the commercial single says it's mono, as it does on a couple copies I see on Ebay. Its B-side is mono on the CD set, though. Did they screw yet another track up in this series? |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 08 August 2010 at 5:55am
|
The LP running time is (6:16), the listed time is "6:19" on the LP record label. ("Tom Clay's - What The World Needs Now Is Love" MOWEST/MW 103-L). There is neither a printed word of "mono" nor "stereo" on the record label and the LP cover. I'm sure that the LP is "stereo".
--abagon |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 08 August 2010 at 12:00pm
| Thanks, but I wanted to know if the 45 was mono or stereo, not the LP. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 25 August 2010 at 3:38pm
|
45 is mono per Motown usual practice until 1973 or so. DJ promo copies do have a Stereo side. No stock copies do. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 26 August 2010 at 2:46pm
Are you going by a copy you own that you've listened to, Kent, or just general wisdom? The reason I ask is because this is stereo on "The Complete Motown Singles," which is supposed to use the exact commercial 45 versions for everything. |
KentT wrote:Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 26 August 2010 at 7:08pm
|
My Stock single is Mono. Some pressings may have been Stereo. Wonder if Motown reused a Stereo promo stamper when they needed a fresh stamper? Some labels which were normally mono but occasionally a run was made with Stereo promo stampers for that side. I have access to many more copies of this single which are stock cheaply. I'll buy one of each variation I see and post results. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 26 August 2010 at 7:10pm
| Brian, sorry to point out another difference between the contents of the Complete Motown Singles CD series and the original commercial 45, but I have just checked my 1971 stock 45 for you, and it was indeed issued in mono. Kent and I must've both been checking this at the exact same instant, as his latest reply beat mine by just 2 minutes. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 26 August 2010 at 7:41pm
|
Crap! What is wrong with those morons at Hip-O Select? They sure dropped the ball on "Motown Singles 11A," didn't they? It is the single most effed-up volume in the entire series.
It's possible that the mono single was a fold-down, though... I've been told that "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me" was, and I'm pretty sure that "Got To Be There" was, too. Thanks, guys, for all your help on this. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 27 August 2010 at 11:08am
|
A fold down wouldn't be too much of a surprise. Many of the late period Mono Motown singles were folds. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 27 August 2010 at 9:33pm
|
My commercial copy says "MONO".
Motown got several of those singles wrong in the Singles series. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 28 August 2010 at 11:38am
But does it PLAY mono, Grant? |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 28 August 2010 at 1:49pm
I didn't think to check that! ------------- |
Posted By: bwolfe
Date Posted: 29 August 2010 at 9:49am
|
Just heard this one on American Top 40 this weekend.
I still chokes me up. It was number twenty on its way down, FYI. ------------- the way it was heard on the radio |