whitburn’s 2016 pop annual book question
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Topic: whitburn’s 2016 pop annual book question
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: whitburn’s 2016 pop annual book question
Date Posted: 05 April 2020 at 12:32pm
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paul haney,
need a little help here....the pop annual book has the jordan smith song 'mary did you know?' as the 86th ranked song for 2015, peaking on 12-26-2015....according to the billboard website it peaked at number 24 on 1-2-2016 9the following week) for one week only....so it should be the number 107 song for 2016.....your thoughts? here's the link to billboard https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/2016-01-02 ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 05 April 2020 at 12:51pm
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i have more questions regarding the 2016 pop annual, but
we should take them one at a time.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 05 April 2020 at 1:31pm
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Those Pop Annuals shunt all Xmas titles that peak after Dec 31st to the
proceeding calendar year to reflect the proper Holiday time frame. A little confusing and date-inaccurate, but I understand the policy. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 05 April 2020 at 1:35pm
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that's at least a proper explanation, inaccurate, but
understandable.....was this what Whitburn decided unilaterally or was there some deliberation over it? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 05 April 2020 at 1:48pm
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New Kids On The Block's "This One's For The Children" is another example of this. It's listed as peaking at #7 in December 1989, but didn't actually reach #7 until the first week in January 1990. I'm guessing its designation as a Christmas song is solely because of its inclusion on their Christmas album, but if you really listen to the lyrics, the word "Christmas" is never actually used and there's really nothing to indicate that they're singing about anything referring to the holidays. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 05 April 2020 at 4:27pm
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Yeah, the New Kids song is not a Xmas tune, but was heavily promoted as one,
late in the fall of 1989. Honestly, despite the parent album, it could've been released at any point in the year. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 06 April 2020 at 4:05am
There was plenty of discussion about it among the staff, but at the end of the day, it was Joel's decision. |
edtop40 wrote:Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 06 April 2020 at 4:06am
Agreed. Again, Joel has the final say on these matters. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 09 April 2020 at 7:29pm
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Paul,
Going forward with xmas hits charting and peaking in January and then recharting again in the same calendar year in December how will the pop annual look for 2019 for example? Will it include both times the song peaked in the hot 100 or the highest peak? ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 10 April 2020 at 3:17am
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I've been wondering that myself. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mariah Carey's "All I Want For Christmas Is You" peak at #3 in the first week in January of 2019, before dropping off and re-entering and going to #1 in December? If so, I imagine if Joel continues to list the Christmas hits peaking in January as peaking in December in the Pop Annual books, that Mariah would be listed in 2018 as peaking at #3, and #1 in 2019. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 10 April 2020 at 4:22am
That is correct. When I enter the information in our database, I enter the actual date. However, we have an "alternate peak date" field for those Xmas hits, in order to keep them in December. |
Posted By: Scanner
Date Posted: 10 April 2020 at 8:33am
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Now that the same Christmas songs return annually to
the charts, how many times will they be included in an artist's chart history in any Record Research publication? For example, will Mariah's "All..." be listed in each year that it charted on the Hot 100 or just once with a No. 1 peak in 2019 with the Weeks On Chart reflecting all the years the song appeared on the Hot 100? Since the Hot 100 is now a song, not record, chart, I would think the latter is more appropriate. I recall older Hot Country Songs books listed the same Christmas song in every year that it charted which I felt inflated the number of chart entries and points of artists that were more popular from the '90's forward. With even nonseasonal songs and albums returning to the charts, has Record Research considered adding a peak date column in addition to the Chart Entry date for both its songs and albums books? Most of these songs sadly return when an artist passes as most recently shown by Kenny Rogers on Hot Country Songs. But, albums will often chart higher than when originally released. For example, "The Very Best Of Donna Summer" and "Whitney - The Greatest Hits" both returned to the Billboard 200 and surpassed their original peaks when released after both artists passed away. Online discounts also used to create new peaks as it did for hits collections by Phil Collins and the Bee Gees. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 11 April 2020 at 4:32am
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In the most recent edition of Top Pop Singles (1955-2018),
we have combined the multiple seasonal re-entries. We show just the first entry and combine the peak position and total weeks charted. We highlight the yearly stats in title trivia. |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 11 April 2020 at 9:47am
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Top Pop Singles 2018 does it right (given the current re-entry behavior
patterns) |
Posted By: Scanner
Date Posted: 13 April 2020 at 7:44am
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Thanks, Paul. Do current or future Albums books also
note the peak year if it is not the first entry or following year? Using my earlier example, Whitney's album was released in 2000, but peaked in 2012. How, if at all, does the Pop Albums book indicate this? |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 13 April 2020 at 8:55am
Because catalog albums can now re-renter the Top 200 at any time, we just update the peak position and weeks charted as necessary. We don't show peak dates in that book, so there's really no way to tell what year it truly peaked in. |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 13 April 2020 at 11:59am
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Have you guys ever considered peak dates in your singles books, or is
it too much info to display? |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 13 April 2020 at 12:37pm
We've always kept the peak dates exclusive to our Annual books. I suppose they COULD be shown, but not sure how that would layout would work. |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 13 April 2020 at 2:54pm
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I do get that; I wonder though whether the time is coming when peak dates
make almost more sense. We are no longer in the Casey American Top 40 age when chart runs are linear and easy to decipher based on debut week. |