Tommy Roe - Dizzy
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Topic: Tommy Roe - Dizzy
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Subject: Tommy Roe - Dizzy
Date Posted: 16 September 2020 at 7:03pm
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I love this 1969 gem, and its eleven key changes. The rock-solid Hal Blaine drum part just seals the deal for me.
Mono 45 version (2:52) The opening snare drum hit is dry, with no reverb. There's plenty of reverb on the cool drum breaks, just not on the opening snare. It fades from about 2:38 to 2:52. It's not available on CD. Stereo LP version (2:57) The opening snare drum has reverb on it. Overall, it's a slightly different mix than the 45, and is around 2% slower than the 45. It fades from about 2:38 to 2:57. This version shows up on Rhino's Billboard Top R&R Hits 1969 (both 1989 original release and 1993 rerelease; both are digitally identical). I think (but can't confirm) that the left and right channels are swapped on Billboard. Non-hit 1986 remix (2:57) Mastering engineer Steve Hoffman remixed a few of the songs on MCA's Vintage Music series, but I haven't found documentation listing which songs are remixed. "Dizzy" is one of the remixes. Overall, it's not that far off from the original mix, and you wouldn't recognize it as a remix unless you were A/B-ing it. In the first ten seconds, there's a prominent acoustic guitar in the left channel of the original stereo LP mix. In the remix, it's much farther back in the mix. Plus, the sound of the reverb is different. In the opening snare of the stereo LP mix, you can hear the attack of the snare very clearly. In the remix, the opening attack seems swallowed up by the reverb that follows. (Thanks to David C and Mark M for helping with the A/B comparison.) It fades from about 2:46 to 2:57. If you're unsure which version you have, check the fade. If it stays at full volume to 2:46, it's the 1986 remix. The remix showed up first on MCA's Vintage Music Vol. 10 (1986). The same analog transfer is used on:
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 17 September 2020 at 5:52am
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Hi Ron,
Thank you for your analysis! I never doubt you, but I was wondering if possibly the remix of "Dizzy" is not a steve Hoffman remix, but an ABC remix. I seem to recall when the Vintage Music LP series came out that I remembered that version (possibly on a '16 Greatest Hits' or on an MCA 'Collectibles - Greatest Hits' or something...). The only reason I am questioning this is Steve Hoffman was never known for slathering his late-80s remixes with reverb. If anybody out there has any information or conjecture I'd love to hear it! Thanks! Andy |
Posted By: C J Brown
Date Posted: 18 September 2020 at 4:28pm
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Ron remarks about Hal Blaine on his "Dizzy" drumming
sound reminds me of the same on "Sweet Pea". I have a stereo LP bub of this track and the drum is outstanding. To me way more noticble on LP versus Cd versions. As for Dizzy I have a 1993 MCA greatest hits CD with a stereo version that runs 2:46. Perhaps it runs too fast? |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 19 September 2020 at 11:48am
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Bill Inglot remastered the stereo "Dizzy" for the 1993
issue of MCA's Tommy Roe Greatest Hits album and pitched it up to match the 45. The L/R channels match the Billboard disc. This disc is my preferred source of all things Tommy Roe (and it even has the mono mix of "Sheila"). The 45 mono mix had quite a bit of compression that made the drums really pop during the breaks. ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
Posted By: C J Brown
Date Posted: 19 September 2020 at 4:21pm
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Thanks for that explanation of the 1993 MCA mix.
I seem to remember the"panning" effect heard of the drums in the 45 mix of Sheila really shines on the MCA disc or one of my Rhino title I have. |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 19 September 2020 at 10:00pm
"Shelia" is in mono on the 1993 Greatest Hits but it does indeed sound great in stereo on Rhino's "Billboard Top Rock'n'Roll Hits 1962". ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
C J Brown wrote:Posted By: C J Brown
Date Posted: 20 September 2020 at 3:50pm
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My issue of the MCA 1993 Great Hits has Sheila in mono.
The Rhino Billboard 1982 disc has great mono sound. The opening drums here offer a feel or hint of panning despite being a mono track. The original ABC stereo LP track sounds good using lots of reverb on the opening drums. The original 45 version on Judd records uses a different style of drumming without the opening sound. |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 20 September 2020 at 4:20pm
My copy of the Billboard 1962 disc is the original 1988 Rhino version. The 1993 Rhino reissue of this compilation may contain the mono mix instead. ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
Posted By: C J Brown
Date Posted: 21 September 2020 at 4:13pm
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When I get a chance I will dig out my copy of the Rhino
1962 to see what I have. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 21 September 2020 at 9:10pm
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Are we discussing Dizzy, or Sheila? I'm
not able to follow along well without getting confused. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 22 September 2020 at 10:03am
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The thread covers "Dizzy" which Ron pretty much clarified
in the first post, though I added my 2 cents and mentioned that the 1993 MCA Tommy Roe Greatest Hits disc contains the stereo mix of "Dizzy" (as found at slower speed on the Rhino Billboard 1969 disc) pitched matched to the 45 mix. Then I noted that "Sheila" appears in mono on the same 1993 MCA Greatest Hits while the 1988 pressing of Rhino's Billboard 1962 disc has "Sheila" in stereo. That clear it up any? ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
Posted By: C J Brown
Date Posted: 22 September 2020 at 4:13pm
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In an effort not to confuse others I will cease any
forther mention of anything not "Dizzy" here. Sorry to offend other members. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 22 September 2020 at 7:16pm
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I'm sure no offense taken by anyone here.
I think in general, if there's discussion of a second song, we peel off the discussion into its own thread. It makes things much easier to follow, and to find later when we search on the title or artist. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: C J Brown
Date Posted: 23 September 2020 at 4:08pm
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Yes you are correct. I will try to remember and be more
carefull in the future. Thanks. |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 25 September 2020 at 5:47am
I used to own the MCA 'Collectibles' LP and I also vaguely recollect this mix being on it, but I may well be mistaken. Once you reach your mid-fifties, vague recollections are the best you can hope for. And from what we know about the history of ABC and its tapes, I have my doubts that the multi-tracks would still have been around in 1986. But I am by no means 100% positive about any of this. It's too bad those MCA 'Collectibles' LPs have never been issued on CD (probably because they're not much more than 20 minutes in length). The Rick Nelson one has his mid-60s Decca hits in mono. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 02 October 2020 at 9:35am
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I like the Stereo version of "Dizzy" but both versions are
superb. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 09 January 2021 at 8:55pm
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Last year, right after we moved into a new house I picked up a sealed set of vinyl and CD versions of the MCA Vintage Music series. I mostly did this for a decoration, as the content
wasn't known to me beforehand. I had never seen these discs back when I was DJing and assumed it was just a knockoff cover set until I started reading about them in threads here. While my original set of vinyl and CD are still sealed, I saw another set go up on ebay from a seller I knew well. I purchased the first 10 issues on 5 CDs in used condition. I think the vinyl series go up to 20 issues. The ones I just purchased showed up yesterday and all ripped down nicely. If I can be of any help to anyone looking for information on these tracks I'll do my best to help. Listening through a few today, I think these sound as familiar as I can recall them to be. (No later self-covers, etc.) I haven't compared the listings to see if they changed up any songs from the vinyl issues to the CD versions yet. I assume the CD versions also go up to 11-20 on another set of 5 discs? I'll be looking for those now. For decoration though, you can't beat the "Collectibles" CD sets for their appearance. Well, maybe some of the old Rhino sets looked pretty cool too. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 25 September 2023 at 7:15pm
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I'm revisiting "Dizzy", three years later.
I see that the database lists quite a few discs as having "1993 remixed LP version; 45 speed". I only have one of those (Varese Sarabande's Bubblegum Classics Volume Two from 1995). To my ears, it sounds like the plain-old LP mix, but sped up by 2.44% compared to the LP version on Rhino's Billboard Top Rock 'N' Roll Hits 1969. I understand from above that the origin of the sped-up LP mix is the 1993 Greatest Hits CD on MCA. Is all of the above correct? If it is, can we please change the all the database entries that currently show "1993 remixed LP version; 45 speed" to "LP version sped up to match 45 speed"? We should distinguish between the 1986 remix (truly a remix from the multitracks) and the 1993 GH version (hit mix from 1969 but sped up). ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |