Culture Club "Do You Really..."
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Topic: Culture Club "Do You Really..."
Posted By: aaronk
Subject: Culture Club "Do You Really..."
Date Posted: 24 January 2005 at 11:44pm
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I checked the commercial 45 of "Do You Really Want To Hurt Me" today (Epic 03368), and I verified that it is (3:33). Contrary to what it says in Top 40 Music On CD, commercial copies run (3:33) and not (4:23).
For those of you who wish to have this version on CD, it's one simple edit of the 4:23 version. The section from 3:12 to 3:58 is edited out, with the edit point right before the word "make" in both places. If you're using the version from "At Worst: The Best Of Culture Club" you'll also have to cut off the dialog at the beginning and pitch it up 1.3% to match the 45. Happy splicing! |
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 7:58pm
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aaron.....i have the commercial 45 released in 1982 on epic 03368 and it contains the 4:23 version and NOT the 3:33 version.....i've compared it to the version on the cd "at worst the best of culture club" and it is identical........does your copy have etched into the vinyl any writing stating it is an edit version........mine does not........i've had a discussion with the moderator regarding this same kind of issue with the 45 "hysteria" by def leppard.......i conclude that the cd version and the 45 version are the same....... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:17pm
| Good question, edtop40. The label says Epic 03368, but I'm not sure about the etching on the vinyl. I listened to it at a friend's house, so the 45 isn't mine. I will check it again the next time I'm over there. I did look on the label to see if there was any indication of "promo" or "demonstration-not for sale." I did not see anything. But this may very well be a DJ copy of the 45. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:36pm
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it might be.....the dj issue runs 3:33 in length, i know.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 26 January 2005 at 12:12pm
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aaronk:
If the label on your friend's 45 copy is white, then it's a pretty good bet that he has a DJ issue. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 26 January 2005 at 3:22pm
| Nope, it's the standard dark blue Epic label, and it has a different song on the b-side (not just the same song repeated like many DJ 45s). |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 26 January 2005 at 4:48pm
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aaron.....you gotta check the etching on the label......you probably got the edit version....... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 28 July 2006 at 1:48pm
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I wanted to revive this thread, because I am still under the belief that two commercial 45s exist. The (3:33) edit that my friend has is NOT a promo 45. Does anyone else have the (3:33) edit on a commercial copy?
It wouldn't surprise me, given that Tom Petty was recently discovered having two commercial releases for "Don't Come Around Here..." Another example on the Epic label is Teena Marie's "Lovergirl" which was released commercially in two different MIXES, but with no indication on the label. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 28 July 2006 at 7:25pm
Ed: When you say your commercial 45 of "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me" is identical to the version on Boy George & Culture Club's At Worst: The Best of CD, does this mean your 45 contains the "popularity breeds contempt" spoken intro? |
edtop40 wrote:Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 28 July 2006 at 10:02pm
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Thanks to Jim for helping out on this one, here's the info on the 3:10 and 2:50 edits.
- On the 3:10 edit, you simply take the 3:33 edit (mentioned above), but NOT pitched up, and cut from (0:19) to where the two synth/drum hits are. - On the 2:50 edit, you can start with either the 3:33 or 3:10 edit (not pitched up) and chop off the intro completely (starts with the two synth/drum hits). |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 31 July 2006 at 6:39am
My 45 of that states a running time of 3:59. Does the other "mix" have the same timing? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 31 July 2006 at 1:49pm
| Hmmm... there's another whole thread on the board about it. I'll try bringing it to the top. |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 01 August 2006 at 4:16pm
| My 45 also is the 4:25 version. |
Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 17 April 2008 at 6:52am
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CULTURE CLUB / Do You Really Want To Hurt Mec
My stock US commercial 45 has the actual runnning time (4:20). This song on the vinyl LP "Kissing To Be Clever" has (4:21) but my stock LP is the Japanese issue. I can't get out of my head though the difference of the actual running time between 45 and LP is mere 1 second. I can make out clearly "the bass drum sound like the heartbeats" on the LP track. However I can not do it on the 45 that is removed it or faded. Please make a judgement about this song ,the LP&45 version or length? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 19 April 2008 at 12:39am
| That's interesting. I've never heard a version of this song where the "heartbeat" bass drum was missing at the end. You might be onto something there! |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 22 September 2010 at 1:54pm
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Bump!!!
So in other words Aaron, the version you describe cuts out the weird instrumental refrain before the final chorus? I always thought that was a custom edit. I made my own of that song that duplicates it, but I never knew there was an ACTUAL record of this version. Accompanying email is coming. (LOL) ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Burlington, Ontario) |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 22 September 2010 at 2:42pm
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The "heartbeat" bass drum you refer to is bleed-through from the click track (metronome) on this song. All the Culture Club hits except "Church Of The Poison Mind" use a click track or a programmed rhythm section.
Most commonly, you'll hear bleed-through from someone's headphones into a microphone. There was a down-tempo Christina Aguilera hit a few years back that had the same issue throughout the song, not just at the tail end of the fade. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 22 September 2010 at 3:15pm
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I'm glad this has been bumped back up, because we never determined if all 45 versions are missing the heartbeat/click track at the end.
Jody, yes, my friend has a commercial 45 (he calls it a "human copy" as opposed to a "DJ copy") that removes the "weird" instrumental section. Editing instructions are above in the first post of the thread. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 23 September 2010 at 8:29pm
| Abagon just sent me a dub of his 45, and they faded the ending rather than leaving it at full volume. If I crank up the volume on the 45 dub, I can still hear the click track/heartbeat, but it's definitely faded lower than the CD versions I have. Thanks for sending the dub, abagon! |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 23 September 2010 at 10:12pm
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Now there was (what I assume was a custom edit, but now I'm not so sure...lol) a version that CKOC in Hamilton, Ontario played in 1983. This edit took the three "bass synth" notes that are found on the "Dub" version on the flipside of my stock 45. Then it goes into the two synth notes after the accapella. The remaining part of the song is akin to the LP version.
------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Burlington, Ontario) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 September 2010 at 8:06am
| All three of the edit/promo versions I've heard are straight edits of the LP version. None have any part of the "Dub" tacked onto it. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 03 June 2012 at 2:16am
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The 12" version had the dub tacked on to the end; you can see the label and hear it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8Stl9f3jcM - Do You Really Want To Hurt Me / Do You Really Want To Hurt Me Dub In case the YouTube video goes down, here's the label on Discogs: http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=575218 - Label Photo And here is information about the 12" single: http://www.discogs.com/Culture-Club-Do-You-Really-Want-To-Hurt-Me/release/2942511 - Discogs - Culture Club - Do You Really Want To Hurt Me I'm unaware of this extended version appearing on CD, but if you had the dub version it sounds like it would be easy to tag it onto the end of the album version. EDIT: I just found a rip that doesn't completely break down and re-start like the YouTube video... it runs about 7:20 instead of 8:01... I don't know the source, but now I'm wondering if there were two "runs" of this mash-up, or if whoever ripped this vinyl "cleaned up" the transition. (The cut is pretty obvious, at 3:42 on the album version, jumping right back into "do you really want..." on the dub version.) ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 03 June 2012 at 3:29am
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My Canadian stock 45-rpm has that very dub version (cut # 2) on the flipside. The part of that version that is akin to the LP has a noticeably attenuated upper midrange. But that is the cut I also have. The "A" side is the complete LP version.
I had mentioned a version that used the beginning "thumps" on the dub mix, tacked on the start of the LP version where the percussion kicks in. CKOC in Hamilton played it in 1983. I assume it was a custom hack job, no? ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Burlington, Ontario) |
Posted By: budaniel
Date Posted: 03 June 2012 at 5:51pm
| The 'dub version' on the youtube link is basically the album version followed by the dub as one continuous track. Interestingly, the Blank & Jones series so80s released a culture club collection, and Blank and Jones did re-edits of both Do You Really Want to Hurt Me AND Time, creating 'extended' mixes, using the instrumental/dub versions from the b-sides, creating tracks that run about a minute longer than the album versions. For Do You Really Want to Hurt Me, the used the "Captain Crucial" rap ending from the dub, rather than the boy george vocal ending. Pretty interesting alternative mixes for fans. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 06 June 2012 at 11:33pm
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In my original post, I stated there is a 3:33 commercial 45, which is
apparently pretty rare. There is an eBay seller who has a picture of this 45 in a Buy It Now listing. If you are interested in buying one, he has 4 copies of the 45; however, it would be wise to check if all of his copies are the 3:33 version (or if he even still has a 3:33 copy). http://www.ebay.com/itm/45-CULTURE-CLUB-DO-YOU-REALLY-WANT-T O- HURT-ME-YOU-KNOW-IM-NOT-CRAZY-82-/350520603269? pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item519ca7f285#ht_1916wt_947 Good luck! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 30 April 2014 at 5:43pm
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Does anybody remember playing either the 3:10 or 2:51 edits on the radio, or remember hearing a station play either edit?
The 3:34 sounds like what was played around here, but I typically play the shortest DJ edit available on BlackLight Radio... I'm having a hard time talking myself into further slicing and dicing on this one. What do you remember? ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 30 April 2014 at 6:14pm
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Gene, our station started out adding the (3:10) promo 45 version in 1983,
and we stayed with it that length for its full chart run; it obviously did very well for us. We thought back then that removing the entire opening segment, which the (2:51) version did, was just too extreme, and changed the overall feel of the song too much. I don't recall hearing the (2:51) edit on radio much at all back then, but I do recall hearing the various longer versions on other Top 40 stations. Looking back, I think we made the right choice, as to the version. But, as it the case so often, I believe that personal preference comes from whatever version you happen to have heard most, and gotten used to, at the time. In other words, it's very subjective, and based on each individual's personal memories - with no real "right" or "wrong" answer. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 30 April 2014 at 8:34pm
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Thanks for the response, Jim... and I'm with you: knocking off the entire intro never seemed right.
I've had it through my head I used to hear the full intro, but I'm doubting myself now... and a friend on Facebook just confirmed she used to hear the 3:10 edit in Little Rock, so looks like it's about time to take the razor blade and laundry marker to Culture Club again. :-) ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 01 May 2014 at 5:12am
Just the opposite up my way. Almost everyone (including where I worked) played the 2:51 version. WHTT in Boston played the album version, but edited the intro so it was like the 2:51 edit. That's the version that ended up on TM GoldDiscs (or at least the one I have the song on). I'm not sure of the purpose of the 3:10 edit, the edit sounds clunky and abrupt. Only ever heard that one on the air once or twice on a soft AC.
To answer this 8 year old question, yes. I have 4 copies of this single...a stock 3:33, a promo 3:33, a stock 4:23 and a promo 2:51/3:10. I wasn't aware that the 3:33 version was rare. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 May 2014 at 7:09pm
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Hykker, thank you for confirming I'm not crazy! That 3:33 edit is my favorite
of all the various edits, and I'm glad someone else has it on a stock copy. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 25 October 2014 at 12:46am
| Although Pat DOES have all three later editions/re-issues of this song's original parent album, 1982's Kissing to Be Clever, currently listed in the on-line database (Virgin 91390 & 86179 & 92404), I noticed that he's actually missing the original (and rarest) U.S. version, which came out circa 1984-85, on Virgin/Epic EK 38398. Photos on Discogs: http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1396637 - CULTURE CLUB - "Kissing to Be Clever" (U.S. CD) Of course, in addition to "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me", the CD also featured two other top 40 hits, "Time (Clock of the Heart)" and "I'll Tumble 4 Ya", so Virgin/Epic 38398 will also need to be added under the listings for those songs as well... |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 27 October 2014 at 11:26am
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So from what I can see, the 3:10 version halves the soft intro. Is that correct? If that's the case, I've never EVER heard that version anywhere. Interesting though.
------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Burlington, Ontario) |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 31 August 2019 at 12:51pm
I hope this won't add to the confusion here, but I seem to recall a version on the radio that was basically the same as the album version, but cut out the lines "I have danced inside your eyes, how can I be real". I don't recall anything else being cut from it, so it wouldn't be the 3:10 or 2:51 versions that were already mentioned. Does anyone else recall hearing the song with just those two lines cut? I suppose if it's not on any official promo, it may have just been an in-house edit from the station(s) I heard it on. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 05 September 2019 at 3:10pm
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Im only aware of the three mentioned here. We played the 3:33 version in Albany
which I believe was the first promo. Then a second promo came in that was 3:10 on both sides (labeled specially edited intro) Then finally we got one that was 3:10 on one side and 2:51 on the other. (labeled no intro) I figured the next week we'd get a 2:30 one! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 05 September 2019 at 3:37pm
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That's interesting, Bill. I don't think I've ever come across a copy that had the 3:10 on both sides. I do, however, have the 3:33 (both sides) and 2:51/3:10 configuration promos. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |