Helen Reddy "Angie Baby"
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Topic: Helen Reddy "Angie Baby"
Posted By: AdvprosD
Subject: Helen Reddy "Angie Baby"
Date Posted: 27 September 2023 at 8:48pm
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One of those weird songs from the charts, back when just about anything was worth tossing up on the wall to see what would stick.
Only a minor detail, but I heard a new intro fade-in on the Album "The Very Best Of Helen Reddy (1993). A different compilation, "The Woman I Am: The Definitive Collection" seems to have the song the way I remember it, starting with a medium drum beat intro. Is this a difference worth mentioning? Was the fade-in version used in different regions? I see the song is in a few threads here, but I didn't see any discussion about the song directly. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
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Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 28 September 2023 at 9:02am
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I'd like to see what others have to say about this one. This was one of my favorite songs at the time (I was 8) and I
frankly don't recall ever hearing it fade-in at the beginning like I've heard it on some CD compilations. It's pretty subtle, but it's there. I'm now wondering where that fade-in originated? I like it, as it actually adds to the drama of the song. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 28 September 2023 at 11:23am
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It's possible that your local stations just cued further
into the song where the intro is louder. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 28 September 2023 at 11:26am
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I just listened to the song from "Free and Easy" and there
is NO fade in. Everything is at the same volume. Ignore my comment above above the stations cueing in further. I didn't read Dave's initial post. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 28 September 2023 at 11:30am
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I wonder if the fade in version started with Greatest Hits
(And More)? Over on the AnotherProf page on YouTube, the 45 he posted also has NO fade in. So, Paul, your memory is correct. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 28 September 2023 at 12:19pm
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I'm glad this song came up as you're right, I don't
remember a fade-in when it was a current in 1974. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 28 September 2023 at 1:03pm
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I got the 45 of this song for Christmas in 1974 when I
was 7. Even back then I can recall there was no fade-in on it. When I got the "Greatest Hits And More" CD years ago I was disappointed that it had the fade-in. It kind of messed up the song for me. The fade-in is also on a compilation whose title I believe is simply "Helen Reddy" and is 2 CD's with all 20 of her Hot 100 hits at 10 songs on each disc. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 28 September 2023 at 4:29pm
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Another mystery solved! ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 28 September 2023 at 7:34pm
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I believe that it first turned up with a fade-in on Greatest Hits (And More) (1987). Too bad, because the sound quality is excellent. (I also recommend the Dr. Hook and Glen Campbell collections with the same title, released around the same time on Capitol.)
The same analog transfer is used on:
I was a little too young to hear this on the radio in 1974, and never realized that the actual hit didn't fade in, but actually started at full volume. Nice work, everyone! ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 29 September 2023 at 6:14am
Well, it looks like most folks also remember the no-fade-in version like I do. I was maybe 13 or 14 when this dropped, and I learned a new adjective, "Touched" that year. Another more humorous semi-factoid, "Semi" because I don't really know if this was actually happening in other families at the time, but we often watched all the regular TV shows. There was a skit on the Carol Burnett in which she would phrase the word "Died" in an exceptionally Low tone. Something like "He Dieuuuuud." We members of the family would almost always repeat it this way as a fun way to express that lyric in the song. Carol was funny when she said it in this way, and so was my mom. As for the actual fade intro, I did try to give it a try a few times. Unlike Paul's appeal, I feel it adds almost nothing to the song. Apologies where needed. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
thecdguy wrote:Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 29 September 2023 at 6:49am
I'm curious as to why a fade-in was even done in the first place and how it found its way onto a few of her hits comps. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 29 September 2023 at 8:31am
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At least the no fade in version is available on the Free
And Easy album. Not sure if any of the other CD's listed in the database have the intro at full volume. Pat will I'm sure update everything when he gets a chance. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 29 September 2023 at 9:48am
As noted in the OP, the release titled, "The Woman I Am: The Definitive Collection" has the non fade-in version too. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: Michaeldila
Date Posted: 29 September 2023 at 12:49pm
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Just to make it more suspenseful... The version on the LP has a tiny bit
more audio in the very beginning of the intro versus the one on the "definitive" cd... |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 01 October 2023 at 3:07pm
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Pat has updated the database regarding this song. Thanks,
Pat! ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: CountryPD
Date Posted: 01 October 2023 at 4:26pm
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Sometimes all it takes is one negligent or inattentive mastering
engineer and a less than perfect transfer becomes the new digital master. Could be that someone was asleep at the switch in the mastering studio. Or maybe they were working with an analog master tape that had some type of defect at the beginning of the song and tried to work around it rather than requesting a better copy. I've heard songs that had the first note clipped or fade endings that were cut off too soon that were then issued that same way on multiple other CD's. For years the incorrect ADD remixes created for the Capitol Collectors Series were used on other compilations including a major Time/Life country series. |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 02 October 2023 at 10:11am
Hmmm, I've been eyeballing a set of those Capitol Collector's Series discs. I'm guessing I ought not pick them up? Also, which Time/Life Country series are you referring to? I have a number of those on the shelf. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 03 October 2023 at 5:01am
Actually, they're great to have! Ron Furmanek did an amazing job on them. When he had multi-tracks he remixed them for *optimum sound quality*, not necessarily accuracy to to the original 45 or LP mix (as they oftentimes had longer fades or studio countoffs). The cuts that were only available in original mono (or two-track stereo mixdown) were among the best transfers available at the time of its release. Andy |
Posted By: CountryPD
Date Posted: 03 October 2023 at 5:19am
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I'm primarily referring to the country artists in the Capitol
Collectors Series. However one of my friends is a serious pop music collector and told me that pop artists in that series have similar issues. To be specific the MONO & AAD STEREO versions are generally OK. The problem is the ADD remixes. Clearly they did not use the original analog stereo versions as a guideline so the new ADD remixes they created sound very different. The Liberty Legendary Masters series suffers from the same issues with ADD remixes. Unfortunately for many years those ADD remixes were licensed to other companies requesting those tracks. The ADD Capitol remixes of Merle Haggard & Sonny James hits were used for the 1966 & 1967 volumes of the Time/Life Country USA series. Swinging Doors on the 1966 volume is actually an alternate take rather than the hit version. There are other issues with several volumes in that Time/Life series but those would belong in a separate thread. The ADD remixes for Merle & Sonny were also used for Razor & Tie hit compilations and the Merle Haggard volume of the Capitol "Ten Best Greatest Hits" series among others. |
Posted By: CountryPD
Date Posted: 03 October 2023 at 5:27am
If you like revisionist history and enjoy "alternate versions" of hits then those ADD versions fill the bill. But if you want songs that SOUND like the ORIGINAL VERSION from back in the day they missed it by a mile. At the time those were issued the correct mixes of many of the songs were not available elsewhere on CD which made them even more disappointing to those who purchased them expecting to hear the original versions. If I was programming an oldies radio station I would NEVER use those ADD remixes. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 03 October 2023 at 6:26am
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To CountryPD:
You make great points!! I forgot to mention in my post that the 'Capitol Collectors Series' are great PROVIDED THE ORIGINAL MIXES REMAIN READILY AVAILABLE. Although I like some remixes, I hate it when they become the de facto standard. Andy |
Posted By: vanmeter
Date Posted: 03 October 2023 at 9:44am
A member of the Fleetwoods that I've known for years mentioned long ago her unhappiness with these remixes since they push Gary Troxel out front and treat the women as background singers, whereas on the originals they're more or less evenly mixed. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 03 October 2023 at 10:12am
The opening is a little hissy, so I think that's why the fade-in was done on her "Greatest Hits and More" comp in the 1980s, which was the very first Helen Reddy CD, and subsequent comps just used that same digital master. |