Ramblin’ Man by Allman Brothers

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   Could anyone that has the vinyl "Brothers And Sisters" LP please time "Ramblin' Man"?  I come up with a running time of (4:55) but the cd issue of this album for this song runs about :09 shorter even on the remastered edition.  My speed comments in the database are based currently on the cd issue of "Brothers And Sisters" and I now question the validity of those comments. 

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Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Ramblin’ Man by Allman Brothers Posted: 20 August 2008 at 9:58pm
	Could anyone that has the vinyl "Brothers And Sisters" LP please time "Ramblin' Man"? I come up with a running time of (4:55) but the cd issue of this album for this song runs about :09 shorter even on the remastered edition. My speed comments in the database are based currently on the cd issue of "Brothers And Sisters" and I now question the validity of those comments. Edited by Moderator

TomDiehl1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomDiehl1 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 August 2008 at 12:26am
	My mother owns an original Capricorn label gatefold pressing of the album while I myself own a Polydor non-gatefold reissue. I will see if i can locate both of them tomorrow and time them after work.
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TomDiehl1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomDiehl1 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 August 2008 at 8:52pm
	Both of my LP pressings (Capricorn and Polydor) run to 4:55. the Polydor pressing lists on the back cover that it was remixed, though i couldn't tell any difference between the two pressings, except the Polydor pressing is actually quite a bit louder. The one cd version that I have does run about 9 seconds shorter but is absolutely sped up compared to the LP, and does not fade the song at an earlier point.
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Tim Lyman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tim Lyman Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 July 2013 at 8:04pm
	I don't have the means to synch it with my Capricorn 45 or LP, but slowing the too-fast version by -3.152% in Audacity works for me.

Tunestony Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 March 2016 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tunestony Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 2016 at 10:38am
	I just discovered this discrepancy myself. Every Allman Brothers' disc that's been released recently features the wrong version of "Ramblin' Man" - even the Deluxe Edition of Brothers & Sisters. it's sped WAY up. Even a casual listen should be able to spot this. I'm floored by the lack of attention to detail. Or maybe I'm not.

Bill Cahill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 27 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill Cahill Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 2016 at 6:26pm
	I believe that the vinyl LP version was always sped up compared to the single, but in the CD era I've always suspected that they used a misfiled master, the tape box probably said "speed up by whatever percent".. but the tape in the box was the already sped up master.. so it got sped up twice. That's the only explanation that I can think of. I brought it up to one of the mastering folks at MCA years ago and the response to me was that the CD version was "the correct presentation". There's no way that's the correct presentation.

AndrewChouffi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 22	Post Options Post Reply Quote AndrewChouffi Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 May 2016 at 5:04am
	I remember in 1989 when the Allman Brothers Band CD boxset 'Dreams' came out it was the first time I heard the sped-up "Ramblin' Man" on any record or CD. The set was mastered so well I decided to phone Polygram Studios in Edison, New Jersey to see if maybe Dennis Drake could explain why "Ramblin' Man" ran so fast. I received a callback from, I believe, compilation producer Bill Levenson explaining this set was the first time the correct recorded speed had actually been released! Could anyone out there confirm if the 'Dreams' version is in an exact key? Dickey Betts sounds like he's on helium to me on this dub. Andy

Bill Cahill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 27 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill Cahill Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 May 2016 at 2:08pm
	Now that you mention it Andrew maybe the LP WASN'T Sped up from the single. I don't have the LP anymore so I think I'm mixing it up with some CD releases, most of which are sped up compared to the original vinyl release. I basically got the same response that you did, that the CD was the correct presentation. Sounds fast enough to me to think that David Seville was involved.. : )

AndrewChouffi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 22	Post Options Post Reply Quote AndrewChouffi Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 2016 at 10:01am
	Yeah, my old gatefold vinyl times in at 4:56 (even if it's labeled 4:47) and I'm sure it's close in pitch to the 45. I don't have the original 45 to compare the pitch to because I waited a week or so until the album came out to buy the LP because the single was so strong! Remember those days... Andy

The Hits Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 04 February 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote The Hits Man Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 June 2016 at 4:29am
	At this point, my only concern is what the 45 is. If the 45 is slower, that's what I go with. The record company may claim the faster pitch is correct, but it sounds sped-up. It is my belief that record labels don't really pay much attention to what the single was like when doing compilations. They don't even compare the pressings. They just go by what's written on the tape box.