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On a somewhat related note, it's my understanding that commercial 45 copies of Herb Alpert's "Rise" were accidentally pressed (or played) at the wrong speed in the U.K. and as a result a much more sped up version ended up becoming a hit there!

As for The Romantics' "What I Like About You", I wonder how many people bought this 45 and then returned it to the store thinking it was defective? No question, this may have negatively impacted sales and would at least partially explain how a song so heavily played at sporting events, weddings, and on radio today achieved such a disappointing #49 Billboard Hot 100 chart peak in 1980.

Out of curiosity, do these super-sped-up 45s play more "normal" at 33 rpm speed?

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Originally posted by 80smusicfreak 80smusicfreak wrote:

Originally posted by abagon abagon wrote:

Thanks for the info, 80smusicfreak!

By the way.
Are all the "PZ" prefix re-issue items in the CBS releases?

--abagon


This is kind of a tricky question, as first pressings of some CBS albums in the mid '70s did actually start w/ a "P" in the prefix. But if the LP was originally released in 1978 or later (and of course, in the case of the Romantics, it was), then yes, a prefix of "PC" (Columbia), "PE" (Epic), "PR" (Portrait), or "PZ" (CBS Associated) would indicate a re-issue in the CBS catalog. However, during this period, here in the U.S. CBS was also notorious for sticking leftover first pressings of albums (w/ the original prefix) inside re-issue covers, so it's always important to check both to see if the prefixes match up (if that kind of thing matters to you as a collector, that is)...


Thank you very much for the detail about the CBS album prefix, good teacher 80smusicfreak! I use the advices as a reference for my LP collecting.

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Originally posted by Todd Ireland Todd Ireland wrote:

Out of curiosity, do these super-sped-up 45s play more "normal" at 33 rpm speed?


I played the 45 at 33 rpm speed. The actual 33 rpm running time is (3:34). It's too slow to listen to it. The voices are... As if Steve Miller sings, duet with Bob Seger!

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I managed to get in touch with the band, and got a
response from lead singer Wally Palmar: "Wally is not
aware of this unless it was a pirated copy and not the
original pressing.
He has not heard of that issue before."

In the '80s, this song was impossible to find on CD, so
we DJs had to play it off vinyl. I'm pretty sure my copy
was a rerelease on Rock N' Mania, and the speed was just
fine. I knew some CD-only DJs who resorted to the
inferior cover version by Michael Morales; I'm still
convinced that the CD unavailability of the Romantics
version on CD was what led to the Michael Morales version
being a hit.

I'll have to check around town and scoop up any 45 copies
I can find.
There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.
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Originally posted by abagon abagon wrote:

Originally posted by Todd Ireland Todd Ireland wrote:

Out of curiosity, do these super-sped-up 45s play more "normal" at 33 rpm speed?


I played the 45 at 33 rpm speed. The actual 33 rpm running time is (3:34). It's too slow to listen to it. The voices are... As if Steve Miller sings, duet with Bob Seger!

--abagon


Thanks for checking, abagon!


Originally posted by crapfromthepast crapfromthepast wrote:

I managed to get in touch with the band, and got a response from lead singer Wally Palmar: "Wally is not aware of [the 45 playing at hyper speed] unless it was a pirated copy and not the original pressing. He has not heard of that issue before."


Hmmm, interesting...
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My stock copy runs 2:55 with the deadwax of AA-ZS9-7527-3.
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Originally posted by Todd Ireland Todd Ireland wrote:

On a somewhat related note, it's my
understanding that commercial 45 copies of Herb Alpert's "Rise" were
accidentally pressed (or played) at the wrong speed in the U.K. and as
a result a much more sped up version ended up becoming a hit there!


I've heard that this was because 12" singles were typically pressed at
45, so when UK DJs got US imports (pressed at 33), they played them
at the wrong speed. Normally, vocals would indicate the wrong speed
but an instrumental cut doesn't give that clue.
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Looks like at least a couple folks here do have a commercial 45 pressing of "What I Like About You" that plays at the same speed as on the LP. Thus, I'm inclined to believe the ultra fast 45 pressings were manufacturing errors. But then this raises questions... Just how common are these errant pressings? And how did the quality control division at the manufacturing plant allow them to make it onto retail store shelves?
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Originally posted by eric_a eric_a wrote:

Originally posted by Todd Ireland Todd Ireland wrote:

On a somewhat related note, it's my
understanding that commercial 45 copies of Herb Alpert's "Rise" were
accidentally pressed (or played) at the wrong speed in the U.K. and as
a result a much more sped up version ended up becoming a hit there!


I've heard that this was because 12" singles were typically pressed at 45, so when UK DJs got US imports (pressed at 33), they played them at the wrong speed. Normally, vocals would indicate the wrong speed but an instrumental cut doesn't give that clue.


Thanks, eric_a. I remembered reading something about this in Fred Bronson's The Billboard Book of Number One Hits. I just pulled out my copy for reference and it confirms all the details in your story.
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Todd, errant pressings were more common than one might think. Unless the label had just finished mastering the latest Chipmunks release prior to the Romantics miscue, one might assume that a screw-up of this nature would have been pretty inexcusable at CBS. Was it just one batch from one plant that managed to fall between quality control checks? Who knows? Was anyone at CBS even aware at the time that they'd forgotten to disconnect the helium tanks?

Let's say they were aware of the glitch. In that case, who would have been contractually responsible for eating the cost of the mispressings? Was this particular job done through an independent mastering house or was it included in Nemperor's manufacturing & distribution pact with CBS? If the former was the case here, CBS might have been contractually bound to utilize the metal parts they'd been provided by Nemperor, mastering error or not.

Here's another ponderable: if the mastering error did lie with Nemperor, could the label afford to replace the consequential defective pressings? I've seen an example on Private Stock where comical amounts of tape slippage should have been caught by even someone with a tin ear, yet both the mono and stereo sides of the DJ 45 - pressed by Columbia Terre Haute - went out exactly like that, rendering them completely unusable to radio. The stock pressing was correct, and yet Private Stock made neither the effort to re-service a corrected promo 45 nor authorized the shipment of stock copies to replace the defective promos. Unsurprisingly, the record tanked, so it probably wasn't one the label had any intention of working (promotionally) in the first place.

Considering the vast number of records pressed at CBS's plants for both their own records group and their numerous custom clients, it's amazing that many more mistakes didn't fall through the cracks. If the plant employees played the blooper pressings at their holiday parties, there must've been some real lulus! One can only imagine what the mental states of the press operators must've been during those shifts immediately following said parties. :)
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