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EternalStatic ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 28 September 2019 Status: Offline Points: 7 |
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Thanks -- I was unaware of it being on the Liebrand release. If you have it, how does it sound? I find some of his releases to be heavily EQ'ed, but that isn't always a bad thing.
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AutumnAarilyn ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 22 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Audio quality sounds good to my ears. I do notice once
something unique gets mastered it often ends up on other compilations rather quickly. Liebrand's audio is usually spot-on but I can't say that for his track selection. It tends to include Euro-dance, post-disco electro, with much sought after soul titles. He makes sure he gets one on every release. Edited by AutumnAarilyn |
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garye ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 02 August 2017 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I have promo edit and single edit on file.
Wish I could remember where the promo edit came from. It was a from a compilation CD, but not the one mentioned earlier. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 93 |
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Gary - There are only two choices for the promo 45 version:
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RichM921 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Isn't this version on The A List collection too? |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 93 |
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For this track, the version on The A List Disc 27 (1994) is based on the mastering of TM Century track no. 00006868. Both run about 3:58, which is about 12 second longer than the promo 45.
It looks like I'm going to have to write up a big post about "Smooth Operator"; give me a few days to find time for this... |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 208 |
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An observation about the two CDs with the promo edit. It's Gold And Platinum Vol. 2 that sounds like it's from a really high generation tape. I've heard cassette tapes that have less hiss! Music For The Miracle, while not an audiophile masterpiece, actually sounds okay (at least not high generation tape). Neither one of these CDs sound like they are from vinyl.
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 93 |
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I found an hour (well, closer to three) to play on the computer uninterrupted, so I took on "Smooth Operator".
Non-hit UK LP version, first released in 1983 as B-side of UK "Your Love Is King" 12-inch single On the "Your Love Is King" 12 inch single B-side, the song is listed as "Smooth Operator / Snake Bite" with a printed time of 7:28. "Snake Bite" is a groovy instrumental, and it's hard to say where "Smooth Operator" ends and "Snake Bite" begins. The UK LP is an early fade of the 12 inch single version, faded to about 4:57. Musically, this version is played just a little more hesitantly than the more confident rerecording that followed. It's clearly the same band playing the same arrangement of the same song, but still working out the kinks in the song. It's also a bit faster, running at about 120 BPM throughout (it's a live drummer playing to a click track). I'm not sure if this version ever appeared on CD. 12 inch single version Sade rerecorded "Smooth Operator" is 1984. The rerecording is the hit version worldwide. The 12 inch single is the full performance of the rerecording. The UK 12 inch single lists this full performance as "Smooth Operator" (printed 5:25) followed by "Red Eye" (printed 3:18). The US 12 inch single lists this full performance as just "Smooth Operator" (printed 8:47). If the YouTube videos of some high-quality turntables playing the 12 inch singles are correct, then it appears that the UK 12 inch single runs faster than the US 12 inch single. From what I can tell, there's a UK speed (about 119.0 BPM) and a US speed (about 118.0 BPM). I'm used to hearing the US speed, but I don't know what the actual speed of the recording session was. I have the 12 inch single version on CD on the UK multi-disc collection So80s Vol. 12 (2019), where it runs about 119.3 BPM. US LP and US 45 version (denoted as "Long Version" on promo 45, printed 4:54) This is an early fade of the 12 inch single full performance, faded from about 4:38 to 4:57. I assume that the US 45 and the US LP versions are the same length, but I didn't check. This version appears at what I called the "US speed" (118.0 BPM) on:
Summing up: If you're looking for the LP version at the US speed (118.0 BPM), go with the '80s-era Diamond Life if you want a full Sade album, or Sandstone's Cosmopolitan Vol. 7 (1993) if you want a compilation. Both sound about the same, and both sound very nice. Promo 45 version ("Short Version" on promo 45, printed 3:59) The promo 45 is edited down from the US LP/45 version. It includes some out-of-sequence edits, and it's best to approach this one in segments. Specifically, grab the following five segments, then piece them together. I used the timing from Diamond Life, but the times should translate well to Cosmopolitan Vol. 7. Segment 1 Begins on a downbeat 47 beats long Ends one full beat (2 hi-hat hits) before the downbeat right before the spoken word "laughing" Extends from 0:00 to 0:24.7 of the LP/45 version and the promo 45 version Segment 2 Begins one full beat before a downbeat 145 beats long Ends on a downbeat right at the start of the word "coast" Extends from 0:24.7 to 1:38.4 of the promo 45 version Extends from 0:57.2 to 2:11.0 of the LP/45 version Segment 3 Begins on a downbeat right at the start of the word "face" Almost 112 beats long Ends before a downbeat at the start of the word "coast" Extends from 1:38.4 to just before 2:35.3 of the promo 45 version Extends from 2:59.8 to just before 3:56.8 of the LP/45 version Segment 4 Begins just before a downbeat right at the beginning of the break/solo A bit longer than 64 beats long Ends on a downbeat right at the start of the word "face" Extends from just before 2:35.3 to 3:07.9 of the promo 45 version Extends from 2:27.2 to 2:59.8 of the LP/45 version Segment 5 Begins on a downbeat right at the start of the word "coast" 75 beats long Ends (as best as I could tell) on a snare hit right at the start of the word "operator" Extends from 3:07.9 to 3:46.0 of the promo 45 version Extends from 3:56.8 to 4:34.9 of the LP/45 version Fade Begins on the word "smooth" 27 beats long Extends from 3:32.3 to 3:46.0 of the promo 45 version Extends from 4:21.2 to 4:34.9 of the LP/45 version Your mixdown will runs 3:46, will have edits at 0:24.7, 1:38.4, just before 2:35.3 (this one is tricky - edit it before the beat), and 3:07.9, and will fade from 3:32 to 3:46. The promo 45 version exists on CD. It showed up first on T.J. Martell Foundation/Columbia's Music For The Miracle (1986). The left/right channels are reversed compared to Diamond Life; I'm not sure what's on the actual promo 45. Sonically, it's not all that far removed from Diamond Life. It runs at 117.5 BPM, or about 0.4% slower than Diamond Life, which is a real, but insignificant, difference. It sounds much better than I gave it credit for in my initial post many years ago. It's also on Realm's Gold And Platinum Vol. 2 (1986). This disc borrows its entire track listing from Music For The Miracle, so that all the songs on G&P are found on Miracle. Unfortunately, it uses different mastering on all the tracks, and includes many early fade. And REALLY early fades on some tracks, like 30 seconds early. For "Smooth Operator", it sounds to my ears like someone played back a tape but didn't use the proper noise reduction setting on playback. It's very bright, with an unnatural reverb on everything, which doesn't exist on the other CDs. The left/right channels are reversed compared to Diamond Life. It runs at 117.8 BPM, which is pretty much the same speed as Diamond Life. TM Century did a good job of recreating the edit on track no. 00006868, but they let the fade run out to the printed time of 3:59. It sounds pretty good here, with no evidence of added noise reduction. swaitek's promo 50-CD The A List Disc 27 (1994) bases its mastering on the TM Century track, and also runs too long at 3:59. Both of these run at 118.0 BPM. I recommend hunting down T.J. Martell Foundation/Columbia's Music For The Miracle (1986) for the promo 45 version, as it will save you the trouble of nailing the edit at 2:35. UK 45 version (printed 4:15) This turns out to be a very simple edit of the LP version. I'll give instructions using the timing from the '80s-era Diamond Life CD. The UK 45 runs at 119.1 BPM, and the US LP/45 version runs at 118.0 BPM, so you'll need to pitch up by 0.9% after you make your edits. Segment 1 5 beats long Ends on upbeat (there would be a snare here) Extends from 0:00 to 0:03.3 of the US LP/45 version and the UK 45 version (before pitching up) Delete the 8 beats from 0:03.3 to 0:07.3 of the US LP/45 version. Segment 2 Begins on upbeat, on first note of bassline 30 beats long Ends on upbeat (there would be a snare here) Extends from 0:03.3 to 0:18.6 of the UK 45 version (before pitching up) Extends from 0:07.3 to 0:22.6 of the US LP/45 version Delete the 64 beats from 0:22.6 to 0:55.2 of the US LP/45 version. Segment 3 Begins on upbeat (there would be a snare here) Extends to end of song, including fade Extends from 0:18.6 to 4:21.7 (end) of the UK 45 version (before pitching up) Extends from 0:55.2 to 4:58.2 (end) of the US LP/45 version Your mixdown (before pitching up) will run 4:21.7 (including outro silence), with edits at 0:03.3 and 0:18.6. Then pitch up by 0.9%. Your mixdown (after pitching up) will run 4:19.3 (including outro silence), with edits at 0:03.3 and 0:18.4. The UK 45 version doesn't seem to exist on CD. I believe (but can't confirm) that the song was re-edited in 1994 for the Best Of Sade CD, and an engineer missed the first edit in the intro, and faded the track to get the timing to match the UK 45. Because the intro was too long (compared to the 45), the fade was too short. I also believe (but can't confirm) that all the 4:15 versions on CD are based on the Best Of Sade CD mastering, and therefore all miss the first edit in the intro. Edited by crapfromthepast |
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EternalStatic ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 28 September 2019 Status: Offline Points: 7 |
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Thanks for adding your expertise, Ron! Now I realize that my promo 7"
re-creation was running a bit fast because my source file appears to be a 2000 remaster. |
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VWestlife ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 02 April 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7 |
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Note that the 1985 U.S. CD release of the "Diamond Life" album actually has the UK 45 version of "Smooth Operator" on it:
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