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Sam & Dave - Soul Man - To Ya vs. To You |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 93 |
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I recently posted this on the stevehoffman.tv forum, and thought it might be of some interest here. Never got a good answer to the questions at the end of the post...
-- I'm trying to figure out where the various versions come from, and I haven't had any luck finding definitive info out there, so please correct me if I'm wrong. There's a stereo version out there. (Not sure if this was recorded to be an album-only version...) The stereo version has a tiny gap between the first bass drum hit and the first tambourine hit (at 0:01), has no drum fill at the end of the first horn riff (at 0:09), says "coming to ya" (at 0:17), has both vocalists step all over each other with a pair of unintelligible lines (at 1:45), and fades from 2:28-2:36. I have this stereo version on the awful-sounding Rockin' Down The Block (Silver Eagle Records, 1987), but it has to exist in a better-sounding version somewhere else. I don't have any of the Sam & Dave albums on CD or on LP. There's a mono fold-down version of the above take, with all the same features at the same timings. I have this mono fold-down version on Only Rock And Roll 1965 1969 (JCI, 1994). Finally, there's a third version, which seems to be the most common. (I assume this was the true 45 version?) It's also in mono, but the intro from a different take is spliced on, the overlapping vocals at 1:45 are muted, and it runs a bit longer than the stereo/mono-fold-down versions. Specifically, this third version has no gap between the first bass drum hit and the first tambourine hit (at 0:01), has a drum fill at the end of the first horn riff (at 0:09), says "coming to YOU" (at 0:17), has no vocals at 1:45, and fades from 2:30-2:38. You can tell that there's a new intro spliced on - at 0:19, you can hear that the new intro is spliced onto a higher-generation tape. The high end is just a little bit muted after the splice, which occurs at the snare that begins the phrase "on a dusty road". After 0:19, this third version uses the same take as the stereo version and the mono-fold-down version described above - you can tell this pretty easily by lining them up in a multi-track audio editor, which is what I did. I assume that this third version was the hit - it turns up on the Atlantic soul boxed set, the Stax boxed set, Sam & Dave Atlantic GH CD, the Rhino 2-CD set, and even Rhino's Billboard Top R&R Hits 1967. You can hear the slight change in tape generation at 0:19 in all of them. (You can't hear such a splice in the stereo and mono fold-down versions from above.) So I ask all of you - where did the new 19-second intro come from? And where's the rest of the take from that intro? |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 93 |
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Eleven years later, I'll add a little mastering info.
LP version in stereo The LP version has a tiny gap between the first bass drum hit and the first tambourine hit (at 0:01), has no drum fill at the end of the first horn riff (at 0:09), says "coming to ya" (at 0:17), has both vocalists step all over each other with a pair of unintelligible lines (at 1:45), and fades from 2:28-2:36. The LP version in stereo first appeared on Warner Special Products' Atlantic Soul Classics (1985), where it runs 2:35. It sounds just fine - nice dynamic range, nice EQ, no evidence of noise reduction on the fade. The same analog transfer is used on:
LP version in mono I believe that the mono LP version is just a fold-down of the stereo LP version. In comparing these CDs, I discovered that the stereo versions have WAY less high end than the mono versions. If you fold down any of the three CDs above to mono, they'll sound like mud compared to any of the CDs below. The LP version in mono first appeared on Atlantic's multi-CD Atlantic Rhythm And Blues 1947-1974 Vol. 6 (1985 release), where it runs 2:34. It also sounds just fine - nice dynamic range, nice EQ, no evidence of noise reduction on the fade. The same analog transfer is used on:
Two big differences from the LP version:
My recommendations Honestly, I didn't run into any bad-sounding versions of the song, aside from the Best Soul Album In The World Ever, which is too loud. All of the above will work just fine for you. But if I have to pick... LP version in stereo: Warner Special Products' Atlantic Soul Classics (1985) LP version in mono: Atlantic's multi-CD Atlantic Rhythm And Blues 1947-1974 Vol. 6 (1985 release) 45 version in mono: Atlantic's multi-CD Complete Stax/Volt Singles (1991) The Atlantic multi-CD sets aren't cheap, so you can easily go with Rhino's Very Best Of for the 45 version in mono, or Atlantic's Golden Age Of Black Music 1960-1970 for the LP version in mono, both of which are pretty cheap nowadays. |
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AutumnAarilyn ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 22 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Thanks for the legwork and insight on this. As I
currently listen to it, the "Coming to YOU" sounds odd but I guess I haven't been hearing the most common 45 version on the radio. Rarely do I play it from my Stax box. We become accustomed to a certain version and it's not fun when we aren't sure what we have or its origins. |
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