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Topic: Shirley (And Company) Shame, Shame, Shame
Posted: 03 May 2013 at 10:36am

Does anyone know if this 1975 mono 45 is a fold-down of the narrow stereo
LP, or is it a unique mix?

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Posted: 04 July 2013 at 9:27am

very odd, this one.....my commercial 45 issued as
vibration
532 with a blue label lists the run time on the label as
3:34 but actually runs 3:45.......it is the same as the
version from the cd 'The Disco Years: Turn The Beat
Around
(1974-1978)'....except you'll need to fade for 0:08 from
3:37 to 3:45 to effectively re-create the true vinyl 45
version.....pat....where did you get the vinyl 45 run
time
of 3:54 as my 45 does not contain a 3:54 version....there
IS a light blue 45 on ebay with a listed run time of
3:50....as far as dc's question......the mono 45 is the
same version as the cd version.....no mix difference,
except
that it's a mono delivery....thanks, frank for the file
for review purposes!!

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Posted: 04 July 2013 at 10:19am

Ed, I have two different commercial 45s for this, both on blue labels, and
both confirmed as Vibration 532. Both have different listed & actual times.
And neither of the ones I own have an actual runtime of (3:45). Here are
my particulars:

The one I bought as a current in 1975 is styrene, and has handwritten
deadwax of "VI-280-GM-NEW". It has a listed time of (3:34), but an actual
time of (3:54).

Some years later, I saw a vinyl copy of it. Since I never saw one for that
song before, I bought it. The handwritten deadwax for this copy is "VI-
280-GM". This copy has a listed time of (3:50), an actual time of (3:48),
and clearly fades earlier than my styrene copy does.

Ed, I don't know if I helped you or made things more confusing, but that's
what I have....

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Posted: 04 July 2013 at 2:46pm

my 45 has 'VI-280-GM' then 'VI-513-GM' crossed out and then
'VI-280-C-M'....so...it looks like there may be THREE vinyl
45 versions of this one!!!

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Posted: 04 July 2013 at 4:06pm

Ed, is your copy vinyl or styrene?

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Posted: 04 July 2013 at 4:09pm

don't know....i've never been able to determine the
difference....any direction would be helpful....

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Posted: 04 July 2013 at 7:29pm

This link explains it well, Ed...
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Record-Grading-and-Cleaning-All-
you-need-to-know/10000000004432902/g.html
also check out this article...
http://www.45cat.com/45_forum_topic_view.php?t=1507

If I'm not mistaken, a lot of A&M, Columbia & RCA 45s from
the 80s are styrene & lot of Capitol Records 45s are
vinyl, for the most part.

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Posted: 06 July 2013 at 12:40am

Essentially, a styrene pressing will either have the label glued on to the disc (or painted on, in the case of some mid to late 60's Amy/Mala/Bell/Spehere Sound releases) and will be very brittle...prone to cracking or breaking if one tries to bend the disc), while a vinyl pressing with have the label pressed into the disc and will be a little flexible when it comes to trying to bend the disc a little (though I don't know why anyone would really want to bend a disc, lol, it at least helps determine a vinyl vs styrene pressing).

A lot of styrene pressings of Liberty label discs from the mid 1960's are known to have labels fall off due to the cheap glue they used....labels from vinyl pressings couldn't fall off as they were pressed into the disc while it was hot.

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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 27	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Shirley (And Company) Shame, Shame, Shame Posted: 03 May 2013 at 10:36am
	Does anyone know if this 1975 mono 45 is a fold-down of the narrow stereo LP, or is it a unique mix?
	dc1

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 July 2013 at 9:27am
	very odd, this one.....my commercial 45 issued as vibration 532 with a blue label lists the run time on the label as 3:34 but actually runs 3:45.......it is the same as the version from the cd 'The Disco Years: Turn The Beat Around (1974-1978)'....except you'll need to fade for 0:08 from 3:37 to 3:45 to effectively re-create the true vinyl 45 version.....pat....where did you get the vinyl 45 run time of 3:54 as my 45 does not contain a 3:54 version....there IS a light blue 45 on ebay with a listed run time of 3:50....as far as dc's question......the mono 45 is the same version as the cd version.....no mix difference, except that it's a mono delivery....thanks, frank for the file for review purposes!! Edited by edtop40
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	Ed, I have two different commercial 45s for this, both on blue labels, and both confirmed as Vibration 532. Both have different listed & actual times. And neither of the ones I own have an actual runtime of (3:45). Here are my particulars: The one I bought as a current in 1975 is styrene, and has handwritten deadwax of "VI-280-GM-NEW". It has a listed time of (3:34), but an actual time of (3:54). Some years later, I saw a vinyl copy of it. Since I never saw one for that song before, I bought it. The handwritten deadwax for this copy is "VI- 280-GM". This copy has a listed time of (3:50), an actual time of (3:48), and clearly fades earlier than my styrene copy does. Ed, I don't know if I helped you or made things more confusing, but that's what I have.... Edited by jimct

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 July 2013 at 2:46pm
	my 45 has 'VI-280-GM' then 'VI-513-GM' crossed out and then 'VI-280-C-M'....so...it looks like there may be THREE vinyl 45 versions of this one!!!
	edtop40

TomDiehl1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomDiehl1 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 July 2013 at 4:06pm
	Ed, is your copy vinyl or styrene?
	Live in stereo.

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 July 2013 at 4:09pm
	don't know....i've never been able to determine the difference....any direction would be helpful....
	edtop40

DJghr1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 October 2011 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote DJghr1 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 July 2013 at 7:29pm
	This link explains it well, Ed... http://www.ebay.com/gds/Record-Grading-and-Cleaning-All- you-need-to-know/10000000004432902/g.html also check out this article... http://www.45cat.com/45_forum_topic_view.php?t=1507 If I'm not mistaken, a lot of A&M, Columbia & RCA 45s from the 80s are styrene & lot of Capitol Records 45s are vinyl, for the most part. Edited by DJghr1

TomDiehl1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomDiehl1 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 July 2013 at 12:40am
	Essentially, a styrene pressing will either have the label glued on to the disc (or painted on, in the case of some mid to late 60's Amy/Mala/Bell/Spehere Sound releases) and will be very brittle...prone to cracking or breaking if one tries to bend the disc), while a vinyl pressing with have the label pressed into the disc and will be a little flexible when it comes to trying to bend the disc a little (though I don't know why anyone would really want to bend a disc, lol, it at least helps determine a vinyl vs styrene pressing). A lot of styrene pressings of Liberty label discs from the mid 1960's are known to have labels fall off due to the cheap glue they used....labels from vinyl pressings couldn't fall off as they were pressed into the disc while it was hot.
	Live in stereo.