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Thanks, Aaron K., for clearing up the details regarding Ginuwine's "Pony".

All right, first some updates...

Aaliyah - If Your Girl Only Knew
A while back, Aaron reported his commercial CD single contains the "LP Version" and a few remixes. The commercial cassette single looks to be a different story. I spotted a used cassingle copy at a local record shop and the cardboard sleeve states it contains the "radio edit" with a printed run time of 3:55. My girlfriend says she has a copy so I will borrow it from her and come back with the official verdict.

Dishwalla - Counting Blue Cars
Ed has a commercial cassette single copy and says it contains the "LP version" and runs 4:51. Meanwhile, I'm getting conflicting reports as to whether an "edit" version appears on the two track commercial CD single. The edit can be found on promo CD single copies (A&M AMCDP 0012) with an actual run time of 4:21. It is an edit of the LP version. Interestingly, I have what claims to be the "radio edit" of "Counting Blue Cars" on my Promo Only: Mainstream Radio DJ CD series but it runs 4:28. Upon closer examination, it too is an edit of the LP version and not a remix as I've previously stated. I have not seen an official promo CD single release with this 4:28 edit though.

Deon Estus with George Michael - Heaven Help Me ==> Single version - 4:27. Album version - 4:38.
Thanks to Edtop40 for confirming his vinyl 45 copy.

Now, here's my next batch of entries....

Whitney Houston - Step by Step ==> Album version - 4:32. (Whitburn - 4:09) (available on vinyl 45)
Commercial cassette single copies are reported to contain the "album version" with a printed run time of 4:12.

Whitney Houston featuring Faith Evans and Kelly Price - Heartbreak Hotel ==> Single version - 4:04. Album version - 4:41.
Commercial CD single copies feature the "Original Radio Mix" and runs 4:04, not 3:59 as printed on the cardboard sleeve. The single version of "Heartbreak Hotel" appears on Houston's The Greatest Hits (Arista 14626).

Adina Howard - Freak Like Me ==> Single version - 4:04*. Album version - 4:12. (Whitburn - 3:58)

H-Town - Knockin' Da Boots ==> Single version - 4:32. Album version - 5:27.
Ed was kind enough to e-mail me an mp3 of the "single version" from his commercial cassette single copy. I compared it to the 4:27 version on the Strip Jointz - Hot Songs for Sexy Dancers (Robbins 75002) CD and made an interesting discovery. The 4:27 version on the Strip Jointz CD is essentially the single version except it's missing the spoken dialogue and background vocals during the first :33. The song also fades out :05 sooner on this CD than on the comercial single version. I'm not aware if a promo CD was ever issued for this song containing a "no talk" intro.

Human League - Tell Me When ==> Single version length - 4:42. Album version length - 4:50. (available on vinyl 45)
The single version appears on the Very Best Of (Ark21 10034) CD. I don't have the 4:50 album version from the band's Octopus (EastWest 61788) disc. Therefore, could someone who has both of these CDs tell me if the single is an edit or an early fade of the album version?

Ice Cube featuring Das EFX - Check Yo Self ==> Album version - 3:42. (Whitburn - 3:54)

Immature - Constantly ==> Album version - 5:42. (Whitburn - 4:05)

Immature featuring Smooth and Ed from Good Burger - Watch Me Do My Thing ==> Album version - 3:50. (Whitburn - 3:39)
Commercial cassette copies are reported to contain the "Radio Version" with a printed run time of 3:46.

Indecent Obsession - Tell Me Something ==> Album version - 4:30. (Whitburn - 4:00) (available on vinyl 45)

James Ingram - I Don't Have the Heart ==> Single length - 3:59. Album length - 4:11. (available on vinyl 45)

Intro - Come Inside ==> Album version - 8:07. (Whitburn - 4:07)
Commercial single copies do indicate "radio edit" as the A-side or leadoff track.

Chris Isaak - Wicked Game ==> Album version - 4:46. (Whitburn - 4:06) (available on vinyl 45)
Vinyl 45 copies are reported to state "edit" on the record label. The single edit should be on the cassette single as well.
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I'm not sure if this helps or not, but I have a 4-track CD single (commercial) of Dishwalla - Counting Blue Cars and it contains the LP Version.

With regards to H-Town - Knockin' Da Boots, I've never seen the promo CD single, but when I played it on top 40 radio back in the day, we used a copy from the "Hitmakers" CD series (sent only to radio stations), and the mix was labeled as "Top 40 Edit" on the tray card of the disc. It was the 4:30 (time unconfirmed) version that did not contain the spoken dialogue at the beginning.

Also, on Ice Cube f/Das EFX - Check Yo Self, Whitburn is probably listing the time for the remix version, which was the hit. The remix featured the sample of "The Message," while the album version was drastically different.
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One more thing on Everything But The Girl - Missing, the promo single we used to play (PRCD6519) had a version called "Remix Edit," which was very close, but not identical, to the "Todd Terry Club Mix." I don't have my commercial maxi single nearby to compare, but I recall the intros being different.
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I have the commercial CD maxi-single for "Freak Like Me"
by Adina Howard (Mecca Don/EastWest 66175-2). The track
listing is as follows:

01) Radio Version (4:05) (actual: 4:06)
02) Dub Instrumental (4:12) (actual: 4:11)
03) Boogieless (1:04) (actual: 1:03)
04) Remix (4:16) (actual: 4:16)
05) Remix Without Rap (4:05) (actual: 4:05)
06) Instrumental (4:11) (actual: 4:11)
07) A Cappella (2:34) (actual: 2:34)

I also have the promo CD single for "Freak Like Me"
(Mecca Don/EastWest PRCD 9094-2). It features track #1,
#3, #4, and #5 from the commercial maxi-single above.
Hope this helps...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Todd Ireland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2005 at 11:19pm
Edtop40 informs me he also has Dishwalla's "Counting Blue Cars" on the commercial two track CD single released on A&M 1462 and says it contains the LP version with a run time of 4:53. It's beginning to look like all commercial single copies of "Counting Blue Cars" have the LP version. If this is indeed the case, then of course the 4:21 version is a radio edit. I'll continue to do some more research on this though before I come to a definite conclusion.

As for H-Town's "Knockin' Da Boots", I haven't seen a promo CD single for this song either. But you'd think an official promo disc containing the single version or the Top 40 edit must've been made available to radio stations somehow. Otherwise, they'd have all had to play the song either from a subscription promo CD series (like "Hitmakers") or the long 5:27 LP version.

Regarding Everything But the Girl's "Missing", I've seen a promo CD single on Atlantic PRCD-5917-2 with the following track listing and printed run times:

1) Album Mix - 4:04
2) Remix Edit - 4:09
3) Lite Mix - 4:05

Then there's also the promo CD on Atlantic PRCD-6519 Aaron describes which has the Remix Edit and Album Version only.

By the way... Thanks, Aaron and 80smusicfreak, for your most recent input!
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<James Ingram - I Don't Have the Heart ==> Single length - 3:59. Album length - 4:11. (available on vinyl 45) >

I don't know about this, Todd. Does it just fade earlier?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Todd Ireland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 April 2005 at 3:33pm
EdisonLite:

The commercial cassette single states I Don't Have the Heart (Fade) on the cassette itself. The promo CD single (Warner Bros. PRO-CD-3939) contains:

1) Fade - 3:59
2) LP Version - 4:11

I did an A/B comparison between the two tracks and the single is definitely just an early fade to me. Are you hearing something on the commercial single to make you think otherwise?
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I have the promo CD as well, and as far as I can tell it's just an early fade of the LP version.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian W. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2005 at 4:30am
My promo CD of "Missing" (PRCD 5917-2) contains:

1. Album Mix (actual 4:03)
2. Remix Edit (actual 4:09) (45 version)
3. Lite Mix (actual 4:04)

Actually, the Lite Mix is nothing like the Todd Terry Remix Edit. There's no dance beat at all -- it's almost a cappella, with repeated synthesizer notes throughout the song, though there is a brief acoustic guitar intro. The Lite mix was released commercially on the US maxi-CD single, which did not contain the Remix Edit.

I recall that some import singles used a different edit of the Todd Terry Club Mix.
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Freddie Jackson - He'll Never Love You (Like I Do) ==> Single version - 4:03. Album version - 4:43. (available on vinyl 45)
Thanks, Ed, for confirming your vinyl 45 copy.

Janet Jackson - Any Time, Any Place ==> Album version - 7:08. (Whitburn - 5:13) (available on vinyl 45)
My sources show the commercial CD single features the "R. Kelly Mix" as the leadoff track with a printed run time of 5:08.

Janet Jackson - You Want This ==> Single version - 4:46. Album version - 5:05. (available on vinyl 45)
The single version is a remix.

Janet Jackson - Together Again ==> Single version - 4:06*. Album version - 5:01. (Whitburn - 4:07) (available on vinyl 45)

Jesus Jones - Right Here, Right Now ==> Album version - 3:07. (Whitburn - 3:01)
Commercial single copies feature the "Righteous Radio Mix" as the A-side or leadoff track. This mix is believed to be different than the album version. I just ordered a copy of this CD single, so I'll give you the scoop when it arrives.

Joan Jett - Little Liar ==> Album version - 3:59. (Whitburn - 3:49) (available on vinyl 45)
Commercial single copies feature the "Baby Tush Mix" as the A-side or leadoff track. This mix is believed to be different than the album version.

Jewel - You Were Meant for Me ==> Single version - 3:45*. Album version - 4:12. (Whitburn - 3:45)
The single version is actually a re-recording.

Jodeci - Forever My Lady ==> Single version - 4:21. Album version - 5:19.
Props go out to Ed for confirming this one, too!

Jodeci - Come & Talk to Me ==> Album version - 4:35. (Whitburn - 4:07) (available on vinyl 45)
The commercial CD single features the "Album Edit" as the leadoff track with a printed run time of 4:02.

Jodeci - Feenin' ==> Album version - 5:10 (Whitburn - 4:15)

Joceci - Freek 'n You ==> Album version - 6:19. (Whitburn - 5:06)

Joe - All the Things (Your Man Won't Do) ==> Album version - 6:19. (Whitburn - 4:12) (available on vinyl 45)
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