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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 123 |
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Although the database says Pure 80's has the 45 version of "Tainted Love" by Soft Cell, I believe it is incorrect. Does anyone know where the version on this CD comes from?
Rather than starting with the beat from the beginning, it has the opening sound effects with no beat. The drums don't start until the bassline and other instruments kick in. |
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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Good question, Aaron. I know I've heard the intro you describe on the radio. Perhaps this is some sort of DJ version? Can anyone confirm this?
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Aaron/Todd: I will check my short promo over the weekend to answer the question you raise. But the ONLY reason this song EVER hit the Top 10 in the first place was the second promo CD single we got in for it, a medley with "Where Did Our Love Go" added to the end of "Tainted Love." I believe it ran in the 3:40-4:05 range - I have copies, and will soon provide details for this version as well. The 2:00+ plus initial version, in its early weeks, peaked only midway up the charts, but was hanging on the chart for an unusually long time; around 15-17 weeks, as I recall. Huge in a few markets, we were aware of it. Looked like it was close, but no cigar. In fact, it dropped all the way down to #100 on the Hot 100, and was about to finally fall off entirely. Then the "medley remix" came in, and caused an immediate sensation. We quickly added this new version, and it was the only version we EVER played on the radio. It didn't drop off Billboard after all - instead, it started shooting back up the Hot 100 again, eventually reaching #8. That's the reason for its eventual, 10-month, 43 week chart run - two different "climbs" and "drops." Sire didn't put this version out as a 7" stock 45 in '82, but instead went with a 12" single containing a longer version of the "hit" medley. I have since found a re-issue 45 with the DJ 45 version we played. Shocking that the "definitive" radio version only shows up on one CD, that Hard Rock Cafe V/A release. Maybe some small stations who didn't get copies of the remix played the short 45 version at this time, but that remix was everywhere, guys, just FYI.
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edtop40 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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jim, as always, great info.....how do you remember all the details.....keep em comin!!!
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torcan ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 23 June 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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On its year-end chart for 1982, Billboard listed it as "Tainted Love/Where Did Our Love Go". I have the re-issue 45 which contains the medley. I've also seen the promo 45 with the medley in a local record store that still carries vinyl.
At the time I was amazed to see this song's run on the charts. 43 weeks was unheard of at the time - I believe it was only the second song to spend 40 or more weeks on the Hot 100. Its last several weeks were all spent in the lower 90s. I always wondered how Billboard figured out its charts - it must have still been getting enough sales and/or airplay to stay on - but did you notice that for many years nothing ever debuted at the very bottom? Same thing on the Cashbox charts. They must have all used similar methodologies - but I could never figure out why they didn't want songs debuting at the bottom. As any followers of the charts know, the 43-week record was tied in 1989 when a re-issue of Moving Pictures "What About Me" hit the mark. In the '90s new records were set and 40 weeks on the chart isn't that uncommon now. |
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Pat Downey ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Aaron, you are correct in that the "Pure 80's" cd does not contain what I am calling the 45 version of Tainted Love. I have two dj vinyl 45's of this song, one is Sire 49855 which runs (2:38), does not contain "Where Did Our Love Go" and is the version listed in Billboard magazine as the hit version. The other version is the medley, Sire PRO-1028 which runs (3:58) and from what I can tell is a promo only release.
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Given Billboard's chart requirements of the day, and with no commercial 7" release on the hit medley, I don't see how Billboard could've listed it any other way, but to show/chart the 2:00+ release - they HAD to list a commercially available 7" version on their chart. I'm just stating the actual facts and the actual reasons for its ultimate success. No matter what Billboard/Whitburn had to list then, or states, either then or now, the medley was the coast-to-coast airplay hit. I imagine many who bought the short 45 in stores were very disappointed it wasn't what they heard on the radio - ultimately, I suppose Sire is to blame for the confusion.
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80smusicfreak ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I always knew that the reason for "Tainted Love"'s longevity on the "Hot 100" was because it had made two trips up the chart, but thanks for filling in all of the additional details, jimct. (It had fallen off just a few months before I first started buying "Billboard" weekly in May of '83.) If Paul Haney is reading, it certainly sounds to me like this info about the two different runs is worth adding to the song's footnote in the next edition of Whitburn's "Top Pop Singles", if not the new soon-to-be-published 7th edition of the "Pop Annual" as well, where they list only the shorter "2:38" timing. (I'm thinking something like, "First xx weeks song charted by itself, peaking at #xx on xx/xx/82, last xx weeks when re-serviced to radio as a medley w/ 'Where Did Our Love Go,'" even if it wasn't PUBLISHED as a medley on the chart by "Billboard" at the time.) |
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 31 |
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With all due respect to Jim, we DO have to look at what the trades listed back then and ALL of them that I looked at listed just "Tainted Love" (except Billboard's year-end list). Even the Gavin Report column by Dave Sholin (which was radio-only) never mentioned the medley when the song was at it's peak popularity (and he did mention "Tainted Love" quite a bit). My local Top 40 station (KDWB in Minneapolis-hardly a small station) played ONLY the short version until around September, when the medley got more airplay. Sales of the 45 were also a factor in the song's Hot 100 success. My local record stores were almost always sold out on that title. Hopefully we can agree to disagree, but I still consider the shorter version the "hit" version. Too bad we didn't have BDS technology back then to sort it all out:) |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Paul: I very much appreciate your feedback here. I respect your opinion very much, and your reasoning is based on firm logic and solid thinking (which I regrettably don't always find to be the case for "hot-button" issues on this Board.) I was the MD at the station by '83, and was the #2 man in '82, when "Tainted Love" hit. Dave Sholin is certainly someone I know of and respect. I was neck-deep in dissecting trades in '82, and although we did receive and report to Gavin at the time, I recall us giving FAR more creedence to R&R, Hitmakers and Kal Rudman's FMQB at that time, as to "buzz" and version situations. Remember that radio isn't always extremely "anxious" to publicize/divulge which versions of hit songs they play - even to the point of being "secretive." If our local competitors played the short version, we thought that was to OUR benefit - that they were "missing the boat." Radio is ALWAYS looking for a local "competitive advantage" here. Us telling Dave Sholin about playing the medley could endanger that - if he asked us about it, point blank, we'd probably try to change the subject! After all, our local competitors subscribe to Gavin, too! And, certain trade mags are much more "in bed" with certain labels - so we looked at 8-10 of them weekly, developed a "higher credibility" for some, based on our past experience, and drew a consensus. Citing any single trade mag, as to ANY record, was something we considered "dangerous" back then, and probably still would be today, even with Gavin being, as you say, "Airplay-only". Paul, that was the NORM back then. 90%+ of the "industry trades" we used back then were "Airplay-only." We didn't look to them for sales info - we'd do our own call-out for local sales; and the local label reps would often, and LOUDLY recite their sales figures to us, if they thought it would help their record's case for airplay. I duly acknowledge that KDWB was a huge station, Paul. Perhaps they "dayparted." During AM/PM drive, they'd play the short version, and switch over to the longer one after 6PM, when there were less commercials and younger listeners. Depending on when you were listening, maybe this got past you, even bring the big music fan you are. I'm not sure - just a thought. Almost all Top 40 stations did that, ALL the time. We even had THREE different version lengths for some songs, and we were only a P2 ("medium") market, here in CT. I imagine KDWB was even MORE dayparted, being a P1 ("large") market. Paul, I can only conclude that by having Billboard SPECIFICALLY list the medley on the year-end Top 100, it was finally "admitting" what the "real truth" was here, when it was all said and done for "Tainted Love", without the "shackles" of weekly Hot 100 commercial availability parameters. I only know of TWO 80's songs NOT released as a "current" commercial 45, but had its "definitive" version, almost immediately, put out as an "oldies, reprint" 45. They were "Into The Groove" and "Tainted Love/Where Did Our Love Go." Sire, those troublemakers! :) If Sire agreed with you, Paul, why did they opt for this rather "unusual" step? Because the court of public opinion had spoken, IMHO. I concur -let's "agree to disagree." I can only say that I was "in radio, and in the trenches" at the time. For example, if you REALLY wanna know what Vietnam was like, there's nothing like asking someone who personally fought there, no? Thanks again for your respected take here, Paul.
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