Starship - It’s Not Over (’Til It’s Over)

My older edition of Pat's book (1955-1996) lists three sources for this song, all with times between 4:13 and 4:16, all on RCA or Grunt/RCA discs. No indication that there would be any difference with the 45.

However, I know from an earlier post that a promo CD single went out with two versions of the song:

Starship-"It's Not Over ('Til It's Over)" (6478-2-GDJ)
1-Rock Mix (4:32)
2-Tom Mix (4:16)

My commercial 45, with "5227-7-G-A-1S" in the deadwax has a printed time of 4:32 and an actual running time of 4:32.

My 45 version has a different mix than my Greatest Hits (Ten Years And Change) CD, and I would guess that the 45 is the "Rock Mix" from the CD single, and the common CD version is the "Tom Mix" from the CD single; I don't actually have the promo CD single.

The version on my 45 is available on an extremely hard-to-find Canadian compilation called On Top (PolyTel 816 651-2, released in 1988). I got my copy in
Toronto in 1988, and I can't say I've seen any others since.

Should the 4:13-4:16 versions be labeled as "LP version"?

Pat - In addition to the track listings, I also seek out the best-mastered collections. In general, the best-sounding collections came out between 1992 and 1996 (plus or minus a few years). After 1996, most collections are mastered too loud, with excessive compression/limiting that crushes the dynamic range and sounds pretty miserable (some have referred to it as the "loudness war"). My old version of the book ensures that the collections were put together in the pre-loudness-war years.

But yeah, I should probably sign up for the electronic database.

When comparing the two "Rock Mix" versions, the promo 45 has the guitar solo cut in half. The edit is at (2:44). I haven't heard the "Tom Mix" on either the 45 or promo CD to say whether it matches the LP version or not.

Gary wrote: Did anyone come up with a determination whether the 4:32 Rock Mix is the same as the 45? Also whether the LP Version is the same as the Rock Mix that runs 4:16, or the Tom Mix that runs 4:16 or is it neither? I have the CD single of this if anyone would me to send a copy along to analyze if someone has the LP version and the vinyl 45.

Bumping this up to see if anyone knows the answer to this.

Gary wrote: Did anyone come up with a determination whether the 4:32 Rock Mix is the same as the 45?

Here's a video of the 45 being played on YouTube. Music starts at about :20 and ends at about 4:51. It sounds the same to me as the 4:32 Rock Mix that's on the Promo CD Single.

Starship - It's Not Over ('Til It's Over) 45