Stevie Wonder "You Are the Sunshine..."

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   Ed, I'll take another listen in the next day or so. I was comparing the cd 

versions from Original Musiquarium and the full-length album. 

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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 190	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 June 2013 at 1:48am
	Ed, I'll take another listen in the next day or so. I was comparing the cd versions from Original Musiquarium and the full-length album.
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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 190	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 June 2013 at 7:42pm
	Ed, I don't have the vinyl 45, but the percussion and overall mix of the versions on "Talking Book" and "Original Musiquarium" are not the same. Even on the fadeout, the bongos and vocals are louder on the LP version, and the cymbals are louder on the 45. When you try to splice the LP version ending onto the 45 version, it's immediately noticeable.
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edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 June 2013 at 11:08am
	aaron....i just gave my vinyl 45 an A/B listen again, for the forth time, and i think it CAN be done.....MAYBE the version on the two disc import cd 'definitive collection' which i have is different than the lp version's you reference in your prior post (talking book & musicquarium)....i have sent mark both of the version for him to take a listen....aaron, i will send you a copy of the version from the 2 disc 'definitive collection' cd and see if it IS different than your lp versions.....
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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 190	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 June 2013 at 7:06pm
	Ed, I just downloaded your files. I am now comparing them for a fourth time, too. Here are my conclusions: 1) Even if you take away the horn overdubs, the 45 mix is not the same. There are places where the vocals are at different volumes (both lead and background), and the percussion is also mixed at different volume levels between the 45 and LP versions on CD. (And your LP version is the same as mine.) 2) Specifically comparing the fadeout between the two mixes, Stevie's vocal is panned slightly differently, and the keyboards, vocals and percussion are all at different volume levels between the two. 3) Your stylus is very worn, Ed. Even if I wanted to use your 45 dub to compare the final :07 seconds, it's just too hard to hear the difference using your dub. I highly recommend picking up a decent stylus. You will hear things on your records that you've never heard before! So, could you tack on the LP ending and come "pretty close" (as you stated above)? Sure. But it wouldn't be exact. Personally, I'd rather have it end :07 early than have a close-but-not-exactly-matching ending. Instead, let me try to splice on the ending from a nice-sounding 45. Edited by aaronk
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MMathews Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MMathews Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 July 2013 at 9:01pm
	Hi guys, OK. Aaron .. i can sort of update/qualify Ed's theory. I was able to graft on the LP ending to the 45 mix - YES! they are quite different mixes. The hi-hats are much louder in the 45 mix. BUT! What i found you can do is use the VERY tail end of the LP mix. You must start with the absolute longest LP length on Cd, which is "Talking Book". If you crank the end up, it runs to 2:57. The very last word heard is "eye" in "you are the apple of of my eye". This is the very same length as Ed's 45, 2:57. It only worked because if you crank the end of the 45 mix, the hi-hats stop right before that last line, so that all you really hear is Stevie's line and the fast- played drums. Also, it ONLY works if you start with longest 45 mix on Cd, which is #1's....that copy runs to 2:55. So all you need are those last 2 seconds from the LP version, and it basically works. The other minor mix differences are really not noticable because it is the tail end of the fade. Hope that helps. Of course, i'm sure grafting it on from a mint 45 would be ideal. BTW, as i noted, that last line is the final audio i hear on all versions i've played.....2:57 the word "eye" and its done. If there is an actual 3:00 running copy anywhere, i'd be curious to hear it. MM

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 190	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 July 2013 at 10:22pm
	Mark, although it's very faint, the commercial copy I have in my possession truly runs at least 3:00. The promo copy is even cleaner, and the song definitely makes it all the way to 3:01. It may not be evident on Ed's copy because of the surface noise and worn stylus, but there are horn overdubs while Stevie singing that last "apple of my eye" line. The drums are also pumped up on those last seconds of the 45. Also, the deadwax on my commercial copy matches Ed's exactly.
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edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 July 2013 at 8:24am
	aaron, what are the last words heard on both your commercial and promo 45's?.....i concur with mark that the last words heard on my commercial 45 are "eye" in "you are the apple of of my eye".
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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 190	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 July 2013 at 12:19pm
	Welcome to the hair splitters convention! Ed, we have the same pressing of the commercial 45, and I have a dub of yours for reference. I agree that on your copy, the last words I can hear are "apple of my eye." At that point, the rumble, crackle, and surface noise are too loud to make out anything else. Listening to the ending of my copy, there is far less surface noise, and I can clearly hear background vocals and drums after the "apple of my eye" line, which is then followed by Stevie singing "forever...." This is all very faint audio, and there's no way you can hear it without an ultra clean copy and a nice turntable setup. Ed, I sent you a dub of the promo 45 ending several days ago, and you can hear all of this very clearly with the volume cranked up. I also heard Mark's version with the LP version spliced on, it doesn't sound the same as the 45 ending, nor does it run as long. There are definitely horn overdubs on top of the line "apple of my eye," the drums are punched up much louder, and there is an additional hi-hat on the 45. I stand by my original assessment that you cannot accurately re-create the full-length 45 version by tacking on the LP ending.
	Aaron Kannowski Uptown Sound 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop

MMathews Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MMathews Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 July 2013 at 7:39pm
	Ok, after hearing Aaron's amplified sample i understand that my "fix" is not truly accurate to the mix in the last few seconds. It's enough to pass a casual listen, but not if you turn the end all the way up. The correct ending can only come from a mint 45. MM

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 190	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 July 2013 at 9:11pm
	I also must make an amendment to my above statement. The stock copy ends just before the word "forever," which is at the 3:00 mark. The promo copy contains the "forever" at the 3:01 mark.
	Aaron Kannowski Uptown Sound 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop