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Oh, I bet you do. A great forgotten 80's tune. Didn't become a hit until featured in the movie Vision Quest a few years later and John Waite was a bigger name after "Missing You."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApZ1aD8nYEk

I can also think of a few tunes that were rereleased due to exposure on MTV. "White Wedding" by Billy Idol and "Should I Stay or Should I Go" by the Clash being two.

By the way, I was in Weatherford, OK from 81 to 84. Didn't have MTV but we had Night Flight, Night Tracks on WTBS and Friday Night Videos. But I saw MTV when I went back home to Houston in the summers.

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Originally posted by NightAire NightAire wrote:

AaronK, I agree his charts are excellent; in fact, I do have them bookmarked as a reference.

Yeah, I just wanted to make sure you knew about them. One other thing you may consider is going by the charts in Fred Bronson's "Hottest Hot 100 Hits" book. Rather than using the Billboard year-end charts that were published at the end of the year, he also uses a point system. Again, a song can only be on one year end chart, and all of the song's chart run is counted. "Suddenly Last Summer" shows up as #68 for 1983.

While using the official year-end charts is a fine way to go, you might miss out on some of those hits that were split between two years.
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Indy500: You win... :-) Now that I hear it, I do remember it... had to blow the dust off that memory. That IS a good tune!

I'd watch MTV over at my uncle's, and watched Friday Night Videos when my parents would relinquish the TV. :)

AaronK, you may have a good point. If there are songs that were wildly popular that fell between the cracks on Billboard's charts, that's something I need to look at.

One of the most glaring problems I've found with using Billboard (& this was discussed in another thread, too) is that songs like Madonna's "Into The Groove" don't show up at ALL because they were a B-side, never released as a single.

I don't know if there are other songs like that... but it wouldn't surprise me.

The book you're talking about; is it this one?

Amazon.com: Billboard's Hottest Hot 100 Hits

Wouldn't that just be Billboard's charts?

I think I'm now going to have to go back to that website and compare it to Billboard's year-end charts... darn it! :)
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Gene, that's the book. I have two different editions, but they are both older than the one in your link.

Quote Wouldn't that just be Billboard's charts?

No, they aren't the charts that appeared in the year-end issues of Billboard. The magazine's year-end charts are restrained to certain dates (November to October, or whatever they are). The charts in the book don't have cut off dates. So, if a song peaked in a certain year, but continued to chart for several weeks into the following year, all of those extra weeks are counted toward the song's year end rankings.
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Originally posted by NightAire NightAire wrote:

I don't know if there are other songs like that... but it wouldn't surprise me.

Another one that someone recently brought up is "All My Love" by Led Zeppelin. There are probably few airplay-only hits that never had commercial 45s, especially when you're talking about records that would have made the year-end top 100.
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Originally posted by NightAire NightAire wrote:

Indy500: You win... :-) Now that I hear it, I do remember it... had to blow the dust off that memory. That IS a good tune!


Just out of curiosity. I have all the Billboard charts but I don't have any radio play charts. Do you show "Change" getting much radio airplay before its re-release in 1984? If so, what months?
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Originally posted by NightAire NightAire wrote:

Additionally, MTV wasn't available everywhere, especially at first. I was trying to find stats on market penetration by year but failed... I only know that Tulsa, Oklahoma was one of the VERY first markets to get MTV... which is why a station which labeled itself as "The Music You See On MTV" did so well here 1983 - 1985. :)


My area didn't get MTV until 1983 and doing some "lazy man" research awhile back, I found that many other areas of the country didn't get it until then as well. So I believe that may be the starting point of MTV's national influence.

As for the John Waite song, I don't remember ever seeing the video or even hearing it on the radio in '83. I do remember it from the "Vision Quest" soundtrack because I bought the album. Then in the late '80s when I started listening to AOR stations, I finally heard it on the radio.
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Indy500: My resource (which actually originated with AaronK) doesn't even list that song charting in radio airplay:

John Waite

He does note:

...The chart on 10/15/76 was a top 30 chart, and remained that way until 1983, therefore "weeks on chart" for song hitting in this time period means weeks on the top 30.

From June 1983 until May 1995, the chart was again 40 songs...


So R&R claims the song never hit the top... 30? 40?

KROQ, 91X & Q101 don't list it, either:

Radio Hit List -- Search

Tunecaster has him on their pop charts for three weeks, starting March 16th @ #23, climbing to #20 the next week, then #17 before falling off the charts the next week:

Pop Top 20 Countdown for March 30, 1985

I find nothing on their website to determine how they come up with their charts.

Unfortunately, I don't currently have a copy of the weekly charts from the 80s from Billboard; that's on a wish list to Santa. ;-)

Wikipedia shows the song charting on Billboard's mainstream rock chart in 1982 (going to #16) and on its re-release in '85, making it up the Billboard Hot 100 to #54 when it was put on the Vision Quest soundtrack:

John Wait Singles - Wikipedia
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Thanks for the info.
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Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

   
One other thing you may consider is going by the charts in Fred Bronson's "Hottest Hot 100 Hits" book. Rather than using the Billboard year-end charts that were published at the end of the year, he also uses a point system. Again, a song can only be on one year end chart, and all of the song's chart run is counted. "Suddenly Last Summer" shows up as #68 for 1983.


I have Fred Bronson's book (third edition), and while I certainly respect his work, I disagree with the way he compiled the year-end charts. He stated that each song is ranked in the year reaches its peak - so if a song hit No. 1 the last week of December one year, but continued at No. 1 for several weeks of the next year, he ranked it in the former year. To me that's not right. It achieved its greatest popularity in the following year and I think should be ranked with those songs.

But I guess we all have different opinions on how to count those songs split between years.
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