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Paul Haney 
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 Posted: 17 February 2009 at 7:24am |
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Andrew: Sorry, but that information will not be in the new edition.
JMD: I get what you're saying, but it's just not going to happen at this time. Brian: It's something we're currently looking into. |
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AndrewChouffi
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Posted: 17 February 2009 at 11:22am |
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To Paul Haney:
Thanks for responding! ...but Damn. There were just too many top-5 Hot 100 hits during that confused Hot 100 period that got there by default of lack of CD Single competition (or by being virtually given away). I'm confident the record labels LOST money instead of profiting, and certainly the publishers made next-to-nothing because of the virtually non-existant airplay the tracks received. I realize this is not Record Research Inc.'s fault, but the "footnotes" indicating, say Sales "1", Airplay "74" give the future historians a solid indication what may have been going on here & prevent revisionist history. If it's not too late, please give Mr. Whitburn a copy of this message. Thank You! Andy |
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cmmmbase
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Posted: 17 February 2009 at 1:26pm |
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It is dissapointing in regards to the Whitburn books when research is taken out of the books such as airplay/sales info, songs that charted only on the sales chart and in the case of the most recent Adult Contemporary book, singles b-side info. This just means keep your old editions of the respective books, I guess.
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AdvprosD
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Posted: 29 April 2022 at 2:51pm |
You wouldn't happen to have the running time for this version would you? I have been collecting a variety of imported Time-Life CDs, and this one stood out. This version sounds very similar on my CD, but I can tell that it has a rather "Live" sound to it. The collection I have is called "Flower Power Generation 1970." And the issue is from Australia. Other tracks sound interestingly different too. |
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<Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo!
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sriv94
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Posted: 29 April 2022 at 8:02pm |
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My copy from the deluxe CD runs (4:08). (My LP version runs about (4:14)--there are various differences,
including but not limited to crowd noise, a slightly longer "my baby she wrote me a letter" refrain near the end [although it starts a little earlier on the LP than it does the 45], and a longer held note at the end.) |
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AdvprosD
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Posted: 30 April 2022 at 12:08pm |
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Thanks for the info Doug. I did an ear time test and noted though this has a listed time of 4:18, It starts at about 00:01 and finishes at 04:15. Making it,
as 04:14 as I can tell for all practical purposes. |
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<Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo!
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Posted: 23 May 2022 at 12:03pm |
I'm not entirely sure reading this if everybody is truly clear (despite it being stated very early in the thread) that there are two different recordings, and the one from the Mad Dogs LP is not the hit single - that version has audible crowd noise and there's a lot of air/atmosphere around the opening piano figure. This was what was on the Forget Me Nots single for years, not the actual hit recording, which to my ears sounds like it was recorded in a rehearsal hall or such - there is no crowd noise in any way, and the ambience is very flat. Everybody may know this but again it's not entirely apparent that it's been stated outright reading the post. Edited by vanmeter |
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Yah Shure
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Posted: 23 May 2022 at 5:47pm |
That's it! The liner notes for the Mad Dogs & Englishmen 35th Anniversary deluxe edition include "The Mad Dog Diary" timeline written by John Mendelsohn: 14th MARCH 1970. Some three hundred people turn out to watch the new band (which now includes eleven singers as well as ten players) rehearse for twelve hours on the A&M sound-stage. 15th MARCH 1970. Another twelve-hour rehearsal is held and a private airplane is hired. 16th MARCH 1970. Eleven more rehearsal hours are put under the collective belt. 17th MARCH 1970. Yet another marathon rehearsal is staged, this one recorded in its entirety, with "The Letter"/"Space Captain" single resulting. <snip> 27th and 28th MARCH 1970. Four appearances later, Joe Cocker, Mad Dogs & Englishmen arrive at the Fillmore East, wherein this album was recorded in its entirety, the lion's share coming from the Friday evening shows. |
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