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    Posted: 14 June 2006 at 10:02am
I have the 45 version of "Midnight Train To Georgia" on Rhino's Can You Dig It box set, and the sound is completely awful! If I had to guess, I'd say it was mastered from cassette tape. All of the high end has been rolled off, making it sound very flat, and a lot of noise reduction has been applied.

Now, in doing a quick comparison with the LP version, I don't hear any differences in the mix. Am I missing something, or can the LP be edited to make the 45? If so, why in the world did Rhino use this horrible sounding master for their box set?
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Nevermind...I now hear the difference in reverb on the drums.
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On the 45 mix there is additional plate reverb on EVERYTHING including drums lead vocals & The Pips' background vocals.

There is one edit point also.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2006 at 3:47pm
Varese Vintage has a terriffic sounding 45 version on one of their more recent comps. I just can't remember which one or find it. But, I do have it. I'll keep you posted...
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Pat mentions in the book that the Verese CD runs short and does not contain the reverb.
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Darn! VA claimed it was the 45 version. I shouold know better. They frequently get things wrong.
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I tried at one point to recreate the 45 from the LP version. I couldn't get the edit right, then I started to notice the mix differences. Yes, the 45 mix is somewhat lo-fi; it definitely has the "AM radio" quality.
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So, the Rhino-mastered version on CD IS correct!
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Originally posted by Roscoe Roscoe wrote:

I tried at one point to recreate the 45 from the LP version. I couldn't get the edit right, then I started to notice the mix differences.


The edit is a bit tricky because it's not just an edit. They actually overlapped two sections of the song for about a second or so. I was able to recreate this part using the LP version.

Originally posted by Roscoe Roscoe wrote:

Yes, the 45 mix is somewhat lo-fi; it definitely has the "AM radio" quality.


You got that right! This one needs to go right next to "Magic Carpet Ride" as one of the worst sounding masters in history. But if I had to guess, I'd say it wasn't mastered that way on purpose. It really sounds like the tape is bad, but Rhino tried to remove the excess hiss and noise. The LP version sounds just fine, as far as sound quality goes.
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Originally posted by Grant Grant wrote:

So, the Rhino-mastered version on CD IS correct!


Yes, the Rhino CD does contain the reverb and edit. This must be the actual 45 master, because they wouldn't use a source as bad as this one if a better one was available (i.e. making their own edit of the LP version).
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