B.J. THOMAS - ROCK AND ROLL LULLABY

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   Just came across a longer (4:27) version of this tune where it's at the beginning that it is longer.  On the common version (LP version I take it), he starts singing at about :18 where on this one (in stereo) he starts in at about :36.  Would this be a stereo 45?  sounds like it's from vinyl. Also, towards the end at 3:36 of the common version B.J. sings "ma-ma-ma-ma-mama" whereas on this longer version at 3:54 it is missing.

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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 46	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: B.J. THOMAS - ROCK AND ROLL LULLABY Posted: 28 October 2006 at 11:21am
	Just came across a longer (4:27) version of this tune where it's at the beginning that it is longer. On the common version (LP version I take it), he starts singing at about :18 where on this one (in stereo) he starts in at about :36. Would this be a stereo 45? sounds like it's from vinyl. Also, towards the end at 3:36 of the common version B.J. sings "ma-ma-ma-ma-mama" whereas on this longer version at 3:54 it is missing.
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Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 October 2006 at 6:44pm
	Yes that sounds like it is one of the 2 versions of this 45 (the longer one of course). I have the dj copy which has both the long and short versions on it and I understand that the commercial 45's were pressed in both long and short versions also.

BillCahill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote BillCahill Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 October 2006 at 6:25am
	I believe the first commercial copies were the longer stereo version, a different mix than the more common shorter version. The first DJ copies as Pat noted were long stereo/short mono. The short mono promo mix has different reverb on it and is exclusive to the mono promo. Then Scepter released a second DJ promo which shortened the song to match the mono promo length, and remixed the song for stereo. So they released a second stereo/mono promo both at the short length. That stereo version (containing the ma ma ma ma that was mixed out of the long version) became the more common version, issued as a single and also placed on the album. I don't believe the long version was ever placed on the album.

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 15	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 July 2014 at 4:46pm
	could anyone send me a dub of the 4:08 vinyl 45?
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edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 15	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 July 2014 at 5:39pm
	kerry was kind enough to send me a dub of his 45 version which actually runs 4:11 and NOT 4:08 as the db states.......does anyone know what the runout groove markings are that identifies the 4:11 commercial 45 versus the 4:27 version that i have?.....my commercial 45 has 'S- 61727-1G'
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Kerry Jackson Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 15 June 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kerry Jackson Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 July 2014 at 8:38am
	Just checked my mono/stereo 45 of Rock And Roll Lullaby by B.J. Thomas on Scepter Records...the runout groove markings for the mono side are 61727-2B-RE and on the stereo side the markings are S-61727-2B-RE.

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 15	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 July 2014 at 10:21am
	thx, kerry....i just bought a commercial 45 that lists the run time on the label as 4:08 so when i get it i will post my findings...
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edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 15	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 July 2014 at 1:45pm
	i just received my commercial 45 for the bj thomas song 'rock and roll lullaby' issued as scepter 12344 with a listed run time of 4:08 and contains the etching 'S-61727- 1D PP'........well.........even though the label states the run time as 4:08 it actually runs 4:27.....now...if i can ever find a commercial vinyl 45 that lists the run time as 4:08 AND actually runs 4:08!!! Edited by edtop40
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Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 July 2014 at 7:37am
	Ed I have a copy with matrix number 61727-2F with a stated time of 4:08 and actual time of 4:10.

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 15	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 August 2014 at 9:51am
	i just rec'd my third copy of the vinyl 45 with a printed run time of 4:08 and an actual time of 4:10.....the matrix number is like pats 61727-2f....
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