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    Posted: 14 February 2007 at 7:24pm
Did you ever wonder why the very first note in "St. Elmo's Fire" started mid-beat? For 20+ years, I'd just assumed that's the way it was recorded, even though that doesn't really make much sense.

Well, I just noticed two CDs where the first note starts on an actual downbeat! Like you'd expect from a pop song!

Apparently, there's a bad edit somewhere in the vaults that has lived on for 20+ years, and an unedited tape that has also lived on for 20+ years, although in relative obscurity.

Starts on downbeat:

- Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties - 1985 (1994)
- Rhino's Like Omigod box

Missing the first 0.1 sec of the intro, causing the song to start slightly after the downbeat:

- Razor & Tie's Totally '80s (1993; mastered by Steve Hoffman)
- The "A" List Disc 31 (1994)
- Warner Special Products' After Hours (1990)
- Mercury [W. Germany] Hits On CD - Volume 4 (1986)
- Sessions/Warner Special Products' Night Beat (1988)
- Virgin/EMI [UK] Now That's What I Call Music 1985 (1993)
- BR Music [Holland] 1 Hit Wonders and Hard to Find Classics (1999)

Neat!

I also noticed that the above two CDs are left/right reversed from the rest of them. Easiest to tell from the first drum fill at about 0:17; the two above pan left-to-right, while all the others pan right-to-left.

Besides the above 2, are there any other CDs that have the downbeat included in the song? The TM Century library? Any John Parr collections?


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the question is...which version is on the commercial 45.....and the answer is....the truncated one...the 45 is identical to the version from the cd "essential 80's"....hope this helps....
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<Besides the above 2, are there any other CDs that have the downbeat included in the song? >

Yes, Crap, the Rhino CD "Billboard Top Hits 1985" has the full beat.

(And incidentally, the soundtrack CD has the clipped note!)

I brought this issue to Pat's attention once (long before this board appeared) and mentioned it might be worth mentioning which versions have the clipped notes and which didn't. I remember he responded that the soundtrack has the clipped note. So it certainly wouldn't make sense to say that there's an error on those CDs, even though it sounds like one.

I know the soundtrack CD has the clipped note. Does anyone know about the soundtrack LP?

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The truncated version is also on:

"The Brat Pack Years" (Mars Entertainment)

"Only Rock 'n Roll 1985-1989" (JCI)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote budaniel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 November 2007 at 7:20pm
has anyone found a version that isn't truncated at the beginning but also has the correct left/right stereo separation?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 November 2007 at 8:21pm
Would there be a way to take the proper version, and just switch channels, say in Audition?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote crapfromthepast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 November 2007 at 9:30pm
Originally posted by eriejwg eriejwg wrote:

Would there be a way to take the proper version, and just switch channels, say in Audition?


Yes - that's a very easy thing to do in the audio editing software I use (Cool Edit Pro), and should be really easy in most other tools.

I was a little partial to the Steve Hoffman mastering on Totally '80s, so I recreated the opening note by looping the first downbeat of the song. It's pretty seamless if you time your splice to fall on one of the cymbal hits.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote crapfromthepast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2012 at 6:47pm
4-1/2 years later, I revisited "St. Elmo's Fire".

I still think the truncated opening note was a mastering mistake, on both the 45 and the soundtrack. And yet, that's the only way it appeared, anywhere, until 1994.

The song appeared on three compilations in the '80s - Mercury W. Germany's Hits On CD Vol. 4 (1986), Atlantic's Hit Singles 1980-1988 (1988) and Warner Special Products' 2-CD Night Beat (1988). All sound OK, not spectacular, and all have the truncated opening note.

The 50-CD promo set The A List Disc 31 (1994) appears to use the same analog transfer as Hit Singles 1980-1988, with no noise reduction.

I have three compilations that all use the same analog transfer as Night Beat - Warner Special Products' 3-CD After Hours (1990; digitally exactly 2.2 dB louder), Razor & Tie's 2-CD Totally '80s (1993) and JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll 1985-1989 (1994). All sound just like Night Beat, which is OK, not spectacular.

EMI UK's 2-CD Now 1985 (1993) and BR Music Holland's One Hit Wonders And Hard To Find Hits (1999) both fade early - avoid.

Then, for Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1985 (1994), Bill Inglot found a source tape that had the opening note intact! And sounded quite a bit clearer than the previous discs! Oddly, it had its left and right channels reversed, although that's easily fixed.

I have four compilations that all use the same analog transfer as Billboard - Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 2 1985 (1994), Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 31 Movie Hits Of The '80s (1996; differently EQ'd digital clone), Rhino's 7-CD Like Omigod (2002, much too loud and clips a lot) and Time-Life's Another Lost Decade At The Movies (2005; digitally identical to Movie Hits).

For sound quality, I'd recommend Billboard Top Hits 1985, but you need to flip the left and right channels to make it match the 45 and LP versions.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote davidclark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2012 at 10:45pm
does Pat's comment on this song of "remixed" refer to simply the switching
of channels? I always wondered about what remixed meant for this track. I
have it on only the Time Life 80s disc, so I can not compare with a non-
remixed version.
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I'm not aware of any instance where the database specifies comments for recordings where the left/right channels are reversed, so I doubt this is what is being referenced here by the "remixed" comment. Perhaps Pat can clarify this for us.
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