"Kentucky Rain" - Elvis Presley

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   According to the database, CD entries for Elvis Presley's "Kentucky Rain" range from 3:12 to 3:23. Does anyone have actual vinyl 45 and/or LP run times to help us determine if there is a difference in version, length, and/or speed between the two?

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Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: "Kentucky Rain" - Elvis Presley Posted: 22 July 2007 at 11:31am
	According to the database, CD entries for Elvis Presley's "Kentucky Rain" range from 3:12 to 3:23. Does anyone have actual vinyl 45 and/or LP run times to help us determine if there is a difference in version, length, and/or speed between the two?

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 July 2007 at 12:13pm
	My commercial 45, which is mono, has a listed time of (3:20) and an actual time of (3:21).

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 July 2007 at 8:01pm
	The vinyl LP times in at (3:20).

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 January 2009 at 10:54am
	Pat: I just wanted to let you know that the commercial 45 and LP run time info for "Kentucky Rain" was never incorporated into the database. Edited by Todd Ireland

sriv94 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 September 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote sriv94 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 January 2009 at 12:21pm
	Just want to verify--does the correct take have strings on the intro, or is that the alternate take? Edited by sriv94
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Robert Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 04 March 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Robert Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 March 2009 at 4:21pm
	Just had a minute to check the 45 and yes, the strings are on the intro and the time is 3:22. The stereo version that I checked (From "2nd To None") also had strings on the intro and timed at 3:17. I didn't hear any glaring differences other than the time.

LunarLaugh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 February 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote LunarLaugh Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 March 2023 at 7:03pm
	I wanted to suggest a correction to the database. The 2-CD Sony set "The Essential Elvis Presley" as well as the 3-disc edition "The Essential Elvis Presley 3.0" actually contains a STEREO REMIX of "Kentucky Rain". The digital stereo reverb on the lead vocal is the first giveaway, although the rest of the mix is fairly close to the original stereo mix. The female backing singer vocals have less impact in the remix, as well. I believe this remix originated on the "2nd To None" compilation (nearly on the tracks on the "Essential" compilation are drawn straight from this and the "30 #1 Hits" collection). Edited by LunarLaugh
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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 March 2023 at 8:36pm
	I have come across two mixes of this song. One has the bass and (rather faint) backup vocal in the right channel, the other has them center. Being a mono, single-only issue in 1970 (yeah, it was on "Worldwide 50 Gold Award Hits Vol. 1" in 1970 but in mono too), it was issued on several LPs over the years in mono or "e". I believe its first stereo issue was on the 1984 compilation "Elvis' Gold Records Volume 5". Alas, I DID have that LP, but it's long gone. And on the two CD issues of it, it is in two different lengths (and I don't know which mix appears on either of the two CDs nor the LP). Anyone have the "Gold Vol. 5" LP or original CD issue can listen to the mix? In fact, there are MANY songs on CDs that are remixed that are not reflected in the database as such. I seem to recall starting a thread on this a while back, in an attempt to identify such remixes, but perhaps the sheer volume of work it would be for Pat to re-listen to the MANY CDs to show which ones have remixes on them is just too much.
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LunarLaugh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 February 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote LunarLaugh Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 March 2023 at 8:48pm
	What I refer to as the "original stereo mix" is one that, as far as I can tell, appeared within several RCA/BMG CD releases in the years before the big Sony/BMG merger of the 2000s. The reverb on the vocal in that mix is more in line with the mono mix; a sort of big, dampened echo chamber sound that lays in the center of the stereo image. On the more recent remix, the reverb on the vocal is noticeably in stereo and less 'authentic' sounding for the era the song was recorded in. This leads me to believe that the stereo mix of the pre-Sony BMG digital era was most likely an original mix from the 60s that simply never got pulled for LP release back in the day but was discovered by the time BMG's engineers started making digital transfers for CD. I failed to mention there is also a different remix that appears on "The Memphis Record". All tracks on that particular album are quite obviously (and, IMHO, unfortunately) remixed. Edited by LunarLaugh
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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 March 2023 at 9:11pm
	Yeah, "The Memphis Record" contains yet another remix (not the one I was referring to) that is missing the strings over the beginning. And yes, that LP/CD contained many (or all) remixes. Seemed 1987 at the bg. of the CD era saw many Elvis songs getting remixes that were not faithful to the original mono or stereo mixes. "In The Ghetto" and "Suspicious Minds" come to mind. In terms of the "original stereo mix", can you list a few CDs which have it? Since it wasn't issued until much later than 1970, you may be right in that it was mixed in 1969 (or thereabouts) but not issued. That's why I would like to know what was issued on the original "Gold Vol. 5". Edited by davidclark
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