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    Posted: 01 January 2008 at 7:25pm
In my copy of Pat's book, it says that on the full Will To Power CD Journey Home the song runs 3:48. My Epic commercial 45 has a printed time and an actual time of 3:48, and says "Taken from the Epic release: Journey Home", and I would assume that it's the same as the Journey Home version. No remix credit or anything like that is listed. I found this commercial 45 version on Madacy's Rock On 1991, also with a run time of 3:48.

I found a longer version with a different mix on both Body Talk - Sweet Nothings (Time-Life, 1997) and Body Talk - Hearts On Fire (Time-Life, 2000). These both run 4:08. To my ears, the 4:08 version sounds like a slightly less polished version of the song, sort of what I would have expected to hear before a "single remix" is commissioned.

Aside from the length difference, the quickest way to tell them apart is the tamborine sound on every other snare hit. The 4:08 version has a double tamborine hit - one on the beat and one quickly following the beat. In contrast, the 3:48 version has only one single, very pronounced tamborine hit on the beat. The structure of the song is basically the same for both versions, with one fading about 20 seconds earlier than the other.

Does anyone know where this 4:08 mix comes from, since the book says that it's not from the Journey Home CD?

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Ron, my promo CD single (ESK 73636) has only one, non-described version on it. It has both a listed & actual time of (4:09), with the "double tambourine hit" you describe appearing on it.

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Hmmm... does that mean that the (4:09) version is the "hit" version? I assume that it's the one that got all the airplay back then?
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We did play the promo CD single version I own at our station, Ron. That's all I can vouch for.
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Originally posted by crapfromthepast crapfromthepast wrote:

Does anyone know where this 4:08 mix comes from, since the book says that it's not from the Journey Home CD?


Although I don't own a copy myself, I'm willing to wager that the 4:08/4:09 version of "I'm Not in Love" that appears on your Time-Life CDs and jimct's promo CD single is the one found on the cassette single. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: You're talking 1990-91 here, and the cassette single had long since toppled vinyl 45s. The labels were also doing all they could to get as much $$$ as possible from us music consumers by putting different versions/mixes of the hits on different formats, thus forcing hard-core fans to buy both (cassette & vinyl), or in rare cases, all three (if a CD single was issued as well). edtop40 has already brought several other examples to light here on this board, thanks to his extensive collection of '90s cassette singles, and I highly suspect this is yet another...

If edtop40 can prove my hunch, then that would definitely make the 4:08/4:09 version the "hit" version...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 January 2008 at 11:06am
If the 4:08/4:09 version is indeed the 'hit' version, would some kind of notation need to be made in the database?
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i will check my notes over the weekend.....i do believe the cassingle version runs in that 4:08 range, but, off the top of my head i don't know if it's the cd/lp version or a remix.....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote edtop40 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 January 2008 at 5:14pm
after looking at my notes....the cassingle contains a non descibed version running 3:48....are we sure we're talking about that song and not "baby i love you're way?freebird medley" which runs 4:08 and is the lp/cd version...if anyone wants a copy of this 3:47 cassingle version send me a pm...

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Originally posted by edtop40 edtop40 wrote:

after looking at my notes....the cassingle contains a non descibed version running 3:48....


Well, I guess that completely shoots down my theory, lol. Do you no longer have that cassette single, ed???

Oh, and just out of curiosity, exactly when did you make the switch from vinyl 45s to cassette singles for your collection, or was it more of a gradual thing??? :-)
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when whitburns books started using cassingle as the way to id which song had a picture sleeve...i started using jan 1990 as the point of cassingles as the universal single format....i believe after that there where many songs issued as cassingles ONLY and NO vinyl 45, which forced me to use that format as the standard....
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