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    Posted: 16 June 2008 at 5:48pm
Not sure if this has been fixed yet in the database, but my 1955-1996 copy of Pat's book has the (5:04) length entries as being "LP version". I believe they should be "LP length".

My 45 (De-Lite DE-802, 1979) has a printed and an actual time of (3:48).

The 45 has a fade that starts at 3:32. It's a second or two shorter than a 32-beat fade, but that's a pretty good approximation for it.

I like the sound of the LP version on Mercury's CD Celebration: The Best Of Kool & The Gang (1979-1987). (Apparently, so did the Time-Life people; the version on Body Talk - Just The Two Of Us is digitally identical to this, and Sounds Of The Eighties - 1980 is just a level change.)

If you want to fade the Celebration CD to match the 45 fade points, put a 32-beat fade from 3:31.9 to 3:50.2.
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I believe this would be one of those cases where the 45 is simply an early fade of the LP, but because there's more than a minute difference between the two, Pat uses "version" instead of "length".
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Originally posted by mstgator mstgator wrote:

I believe this would be one of those cases where the 45 is simply an early fade of the LP, but because there's more than a minute difference between the two, Pat uses "version" instead of "length".


Then again, that is one long fade. The LP version fades for what seems like 45 or 60 seconds and may be even longer.
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The song Too Hot on the original vinyl LP runs longer than the version on the CD of the album, not that this makes any difference for this database.
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I try to collect all Top 40 music on CD in their exact original vinyl 45 and LP lengths, so I would certainly like to see the original vinyl LP run time of "Too Hot" mentioned in the database. Could you please provide that run time for us, Grant, so we know how much sooner the LP version on CD fades out compared to its vinyl LP counterpart?
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A further look at the database shows CD run times for the LP version ranging from 4:54 to 5:03. This would make knowing the actual vinyl LP run time all the more helpful.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Hits Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2008 at 6:23pm
The LP listed time is 5:05.

The actual LP time on this particular pressing is exactly 4:55.

I once had an LP pressing and a cassette that ran two seconds longer.
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Thanks for the info. The good news is, your vinyl LP run times all fall within the LP time range on CD.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Hits Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 June 2008 at 12:38am
I recall the original "Ladies Night" CD cutting off a bit shorter and running slightly faster. I was so PO'ed that it wasn't even close to the original vinyl that I literally threw it in the garbage!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote abagon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2011 at 8:43am
The database indicates (...; the actual LP running time is (4:55) not (5:05) as stated on the record label)
My "Ladies Night" LP's actual running time is (5:01). (Delite DSR-9513, the listed time "5:05"). My LP is :06 longer than The Hits Man's LP.

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