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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18 |
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According to one of our resident 45 experts Jim, the actual commercial 45 run time of Blondie's "Call Me" is 3:29, not 3:30 as stated on the record label. The reason I post this information is because CD run times for this song range from 3:26 to 3:32 in the database.
This also leads me to a question for Pat... I think a strong case can be made that the parent LP for "Call Me" is the American Gigolo movie soundtrack from 1980. Though I don't have a copy of the vinyl LP, I'm assuming the song has a run time of approximately 8:03 just like on the soundtrack's CD reissues. That said, shouldn't the CDs with the 8:02-8:03 versions in the database contain an "LP version" comment, while all CDs with a run time around 3:29 be tagged with a "45 version" notation? |
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Underground Dub ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 10 July 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I agree with Todd on the 45/LP notation.
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Indy500 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 January 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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A version of this song missing in the database is:
Call Me (Spanish version) 3:29 Chrysalis 21990 Blonde And Beyond Edited by Indy500 |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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Nearly all the CDs out there include the 45 version of the song. I'll try to decipher the mastering history.
The first analog transfer is on the US Best Of Blondie CD (copyright 1981), where it runs 3:32 and 142.0 BPM throughout (played with a click track). At the very, very end of the tail, I think I hear bleed-through from one of the other tracks on Best Of - it's not a big deal, but it's still a little weird to hear. The same analog transfer is used on:
There are a bunch of others that I couldn't identify:
There's a dreadful remix that grazed the bottom of the UK charts in 1989. It first appeared on Once More Into The Bleach, and also appears on EMI UK's Time To Remember 1989 (1997). Bleh. As you probably know, I usually prefer early '90s Bill Inglot mastering, which typically uses the lowest-generation source tapes in existence, and doesn't add any noise reduction or extra compression/limiting. I recommend Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1980 (1992) for the 45 version of "Call Me". The LP version runs 8:02 - it's kinda rare on CD so grab it when you can find it. (The American Gigolo soundtrack was on Polydor! Who knew?) Edited by crapfromthepast |
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vinyljay69 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 02 June 2014 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Here's something I discovered awhile back - there are/were two edit versions of "Call Me" available on CD. One is the proper single version - a remix/edit, while the other appears to be an edit of the long "American Gigolo" LP version/mix!
Though the edit points and runtimes are the same, the distinctions are immediate and obvious. The LP edit has a cymbal crash at 0:02 following the drum intro, and a bass slide note at 0:09 that repeats six times before the first verse. Neither of these are present on the single, but are on the LP version. To my ears, the single mix is also subtly different - at least in the intro - with the drums sounding slightly hotter, and the guitars slightly drier and pulled back a bit. Both Rhino's "Billboard Top Hits 1980", and "Billboard Top Dance Hits 1980" feature the alternate edit, while their "Like Omigod" box features the single version. So presuming CFTP's mastering info above is accurate, Inglot's early 90's transfer is not the single version. I don't have many other sources to cite and compare, but all the Blondie comps I've auditioned have the correct single version. Certainly, the possibility exists the original single was an edit of the LP version, then was quickly replaced with a reworked intro. But more likely, Inglot's transfer was pulled from a mislabeled tape. Since the mixes are similar - if not the same - after the :15 intro, this is a distinct possibility. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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Good ear, VJ!
There were a handful of tracks on the Billboard discs that were re-edited from great-sounding source tapes. "Kiss On My List" is one that springs to mind - it sounds great, but it misses the 45 edit point by a beat or two (i.e., cuts to a different part of the song too early or too late by a beat or two). The version on is Billboard Top Hits 1980 (1992) is indeed an edit of the LP version, and is not the true 45 version. I'm 99% sure that this new version originated on this disc, and didn't exist when the song was a hit in 1980. The group of CDs following the BB listing are also this edit of the LP version/mix, as well as Rhino's Hard Rock Cafe New Wave (1997), which I didn't have back then, and Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 5 Dance (1999). All the others are the true 45 version. Out of the remaining discs, the sound on the US and UK Best Of Blondie is muddy, the sound on The Platinum Collection is a little loud and aggressive, and the sound on Like Omigod is VERY clear and crisp, but way too loud and clips a lot. Overall, I prefer The Platinum Collection for the true 45 version. |
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vinyljay69 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 02 June 2014 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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That would explain why there were more than a few incorrect edits on those comps. Air Supply's "Making Love" is another example of an inaccurately recreated single edit. Whoever was in charge of recreating those edits did poor research, and/or simply did not pay enough attention to detail. I never recreate an edit from memory or without some type of blueprint from a trusted source.
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 88 |
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If there's an incorrect edit on the Air Supply, please post details in a
separate thread for the song. Pat's database has the Billboard disc listed as "45 version." |
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vinyljay69 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 02 June 2014 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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You seem to have inside information ;). Do you know why they simply didn't use the single masters? Were they inaccessible at the time? Perhaps lost? Deteriorated? |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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I wouldn't call it inside information; it's more like outside information but viewed through a hundred different windows. I've done a lot of A/B comparisons, for the different masterings of hundreds of tracks. After a while, I noticed patterns. If there was a slightly incorrect edit on a track with great sound quality, I could usually trace it back to a Rhino disc from the early 1990s. I (I say I, but it's really we here on the board) noticed some small discrepancies on a few tracks:
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