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    Posted: 06 February 2009 at 5:17pm
Pat, in the database you list the LP version as being the "hit" version. I was wondering about that,
because you have the song listed under 1996, when the studio version hit the charts in June, 1995
(though it did last for 32 weeks according to Mr. Whitburn). However, the single for "You Learn" has as
the flip (or Track 2) the live version of "You Oughta Know" from the Grammy Awards show in 1996, and
again Mr. Whitburn lists this single (Maverick 17644) as a double-sided hit. So, I wanted to clarify that
you meant the '95 studio version as the "hit", and was not counting the live "flip" version.

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This sounds like an error on Whitburn's part. The "Jagged Little Pill" version was the hit (with some editing), though some stations (including the one I was music director at) did play a cleaned-up edit of the accoustic version (as a recurrent) when that was released (not an easy edit BTW).

Curiously, for those on this board who were working in radio when "You Oughta Know" was a hit...did you "clean up" the record company edit (in which the f-bomb was only slightly edited)? I did, I also cleaned up the edit on her follow-up, "Hand In My Pocket" so as to say "brave but I'm chicken" as opposed to the record company edit which left sh-t nearly intact.

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The discrepancy in the database exists because Pat doesn't list airplay-only hits prior to the Hot 100 methodology change that allowed non-singles to chart (in late 1998). The live version of "You Oughta Know" was the only version that charted on the main Hot 100 (thanks to the "You Learn" single), so 1996 is considered the hit year for database purposes. (At least that's my theory.)

Of course if we want to really get technical, I'd propose that many pop stations played the "Jimmy The Saint Blend Clean Version" (track one on the Maverick promo single PRO-CD-7732-R) which was a remix (and clean edit) of the album version, making that the true hit version. :)

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eek, double post

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I only remember the album version (or an edit of it) getting airplay in Frederick, MD where i lived at the time....i've never even heard the other version.
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Originally posted by Hykker Hykker wrote:

This sounds like an error on Whitburn's part.


This is NOT an error! The Jagged Little Pill version hit the Hot 100 Airplay chart only (and peaked at #13) in 1995. When the live version was added to the commercial single of "You Learn" in 1996, Billboard showed "You Oughta Know" as the B-side on the actual Hot 100.

Obviously, the studio version was the "hit" version we all know and love. In fact, that was the #1 song on my personal 1995 countdown:)
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Originally posted by mstgator mstgator wrote:

Of course if we want to really get technical, I'd propose that many pop stations played the "Jimmy The Saint Blend Clean Version" (track one on the Maverick promo single PRO-CD-7732-R) which was a remix (and clean edit) of the album version, making that the true hit version. :)


Well heck... it turns out this version does also appear on Jagged Little Pill as hidden track 13 (albeit with the F-bomb intact). The differences between this and the main album version are subtle, but definitely noticeable, especially on the first verse. (I believe the video used this mix as well.)

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It's really a "double" hidden track because after the song "ends" at 4:10, there is then 1:12 of silence and at 5:12 she continues to sing acappella.

I always thought the ending of the hidden track was very, very strange - stalker-type stuff.
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There was also a MTV Clean Edit that really removed the f bomb and removed the part of going down on you in the theater. We played that version at our CHR station.
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Wow, I never knew about "track 13" I just dug out my copy of the CD and sure enough there it is.

I was working the "alternative rock" format at a college-owned station at the time. We were never serviced with an edit for "You Oughta Know" so we focused on "All I Really Want" which we DID receive a single for. Later on we did receive the edit for "Hand In My Pocket" as well as just about every other single on the album.

By the way, how many edits were there for "Hand In My Pocket"? The one we received was just censoring the F word, but years later, I heard one on a Muzak-type service that just simply eliminated the whole offending line. It cut out the whole "sad but laughing" part and went "I'm shy but I'm friendly baby and what it all boils down to..." I was quite impressed with that since it sounds so seamless. Does this version exist anywhere?
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