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    Posted: 01 November 2005 at 1:14pm
Now that the database is back up and running, I've wondered if Pat was ever going to go back and add some of those Airplay-only hits from the 1990s. I'm talking Green Day, Dave Matthews Band, Counting Crows, Natalie Imbruglia, etc. I'm sure most music fans consider them essential Top 40 hits from that era.

What do you guys think?
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absolutely....they should be included
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I agree -- songs like "Torn" or Fastball's "The Way" are considered hits, and I'm sure anyone purchasing Pat's book (or database) would appreciate having that info.
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I also agree that they should be included.

Though, I can see the problem with determining what is and isn't an official top 40 hit in the 90's. There were just too many charts to go by.

Hot 100, Mainstream Top 40, Rhythmic Top 40, Adult Top 40... the list goes on and on.
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It wouldn't be such a headache if Billboard hadn't started tampering with the way they compiled their charts. At one point, didn't they give very little weight to airplay for their Hot 100 chart?
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Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

It wouldn't be such a headache if Billboard hadn't started tampering with the way they compiled their charts. At one point, didn't they give very little weight to airplay for their Hot 100 chart?


Seems like I've read that airplay was only about 40% of the equation in the Hot 100 until around 1972 or 1973, when they upped it to 50%. Don't know how true that is, though. I think it stayed at 50% till at least the late '80s.

I always hear that Cash Box was almost completely sales based up until the mid-'70s, but I have been unable to determine if that's true for sure. I'm pretty positive it was totally sales based at least through the end of '62, because Bing Crosby's "White Christmas" hit #12 in Billboard that year, but only #90 in Cash Box.

While there was no weekly indication of how the Cash Box chart was compiled, the year-end charts always contained the notation, "Compiled from the Cash Box Top 100 BEST SELLING Singles chart" up through 1974. Starting in 1975, the year-end charts just referred to it as the "Cash Box Top 100."

I actually obtained the email address of Irv Lichtman a couple months ago, who was Cash Box's editor in chief during the 1970s, and sent him an email to try to get some more info on how their charts were compiled, but he didn't answer me.

Then of course we've got the Variety sales charts from '76 to '85... if I ever get my lazy ass in gear and get done transcribing them.

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If I remember correctly, Billboard favored sales data over airplay through the early part of their "actual sales & airplay" charts compiled in the early '90s. At the same time, though, the record companies all but stopped servicing commercial singles, and instead began releasing songs directly to radio. This led to the advent of the "radio hit", which was ineligible for the Hot 100.

No one said anything until "Don't Speak" by No Doubt became the undisputed #1 hit of 1997... undisputed that is, by everyone but Billboard who, since a commercial single had never been released, never charted the song on the Hot 100. (It did spend 16 weeks at #1 on their airplay chart.)

After that, enough voices were raised to cause Billboard to change their policy, and include airplay hits on the Hot 100 chart, at the same time, raising the balance of airplay over sales (based on the fact that most "singles" were unavailable for sale) in the compiling of the chart. However, at the same time, they also decided to stop using just top 40 airplay, and instead added airplay from all other radio formats. The result (in my eyes) was a heavily R&B leaning "pop" chart.

All of this has caused me to abandon the Hot 100 as my source for what warrants a "top 40" hit after 1989. When I research the '90s for Top 40 hits, I tend to lean on the Mainstream Top 40 airplay charts myself. I also like to look at more than one source, using both Billboard & R&R, as well as ARC.

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I know many people (myself included) that abandoned the Hot 100 after they took the "pop" out of the pop chart and started adding all the other formats.
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Ditto. I don't put much weight into Billboard charts after 1989. I generally use the R&R CHR/Pop chart as an indicator for 90s hits. However, in the past few years, I've even been doubting the integrity of the R&R pop chart.

Since Clear Channel and Infinity basically own every station who reports to the chart, the R&R chart has essentially become the Clear Channel chart. After all, every Top 40 station owned by CC plays the exact same songs, picked by some VP who is probably getting major "perks" for adding certain songs to their playlists. How else can you explain why you see awful songs making it into the airplay top 10, while bands like Coldplay can't even land a song in the top 30, yet their album has sold over 2 million copies and stayed for weeks in the Billboard 200 top 10.

OK, I'll get off my soap box now.
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Oh, yeah, I don't give much heed to the Hot 100 anymore. Hot Digital Songs is the chart I feel most accurately reflects "the hits." But I wish Billboard would merge the physical singles sales and the digital downloads charts and just come up with one standard "single sales" chart... I believe they are merged for the Hot 100, but each has a separate chart of its own.

And I still don't think the Hot 100 will ever reflect reality until some formula is devised that will allow album sales to be factored in. There's gotta be some logical way to do that.
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