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edtop40 
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 Topic: four seasons save it for mePosted: 25 August 2012 at 12:37pm |
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the db lists the mono versions of this song as 'mono lp
mix'....what are the differences between the stereo, non described versions and the mono lp mix? Edited by edtop40 |
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Bill Cahill
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Posted: 26 August 2012 at 8:06pm |
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The database notes that the mono issues are the mono LP mix in order to let readers know it's not the 45 rpm mono mix. I'd have to check to hear if the mono LP version is simply a fold down of the stereo LP version, I'm not sure. The 45 differs as there is extra reverb on the main vocals, plus it is a more agressive mix, the guitars are really cranked up right before the first vocal starts.
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eriejwg
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Posted: 26 August 2012 at 9:55pm |
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Found this on a blog...
with another Top Ten hit (Nr 10) in 'Save It For Me' the group had hit their 'Golden Era'. MONO and STEREO versions tended to be similar/or the same mixes but Bob Crewe had a habit of taking the MONO masters to Bell Studios after completion and overdubbing or adding echo to get the radio sound he needed. This would apply for the recordings in the latter half of the 60s so checking the versions on CD and vinyl is well worth the research. |
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Hykker
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Posted: 27 August 2012 at 5:46am |
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Keep in mind that on many 4 Seasons hits, the stereo version was a different take than the mono/45 version. Not sure if I have a mono LP of this particular song, but "Tell It To The Rain" and "Big Man In Town" are rather glaring examples of this.
How common were fold-downs in 1964? Since AM was king, one would think that it would be the stereo that was the afterthought, not the mono. |
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MMathews
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Posted: 27 August 2012 at 5:55pm |
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Well, i can't debate the stereo / mono preference, since
we all have our favorite medium, and for sure mono/AM was king at the time .. but Hykker, i'm not so sure about "alternate takes" - my mono 45 of "Big Man In Town" and the stereo mix are the same take. In fact i can't really agree that "many" of their hits are not the correct take in their LP counterparts. Of course some of the mixes are different, and there are the 2 tracks famously missing their intros on the stereo. For "Save It For Me" tho, i would be interested to hear the mono 45, don't have that one. I only have the 2 different stereo mixes. MM |
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bwolfe
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Posted: 28 August 2012 at 10:29am |
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Me too. I used to have "Tell It To the Rain" when I was a kid. There needs to be a 45s collection from the Four Seasons! I'd stand in line for that one!
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the way it was heard on the radio
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MMathews
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Posted: 29 August 2012 at 3:46am |
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Well,
For those who may have missed it, there is an Ace CD that features most of the bigger hits in their mono 45 mixes. It was their CD re-iaaue of the 2 record set "Edizione D'oro" in 1997. It would not be in the database of course because it's an import. The original Philips 2-record set was all stereo, but what Ace did since most of their hits were already readily available in stereo, chose the mono single masters except for the 5 tracks that had stereo mixes unique to this album. Those are: Save It For Me Ain't That a Shame Dawn (Go Away) Girl Come Running Let's Hang On It was a single disc, so they ommitted 3 titles that were in the original record set. Those are: Tell It To The Rain Watch The Flowers Grow Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow But, that leaves a hefty 21 tracks, which the notes specify are the original VeeJay and Philips mono single masters. Happy hunting. MM |
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Posted: 29 August 2012 at 7:02am |
Just to clarify: For "Sherry," the Ace Edizione D'oro CD contains the mono LP mix from the Sherry LP (Vee-Jay 1053) rather than the single mix with unique reverb issued on the Vee-Jay 45 and mono copies of the Golden Hits Of The 4 Seasons LP (Vee-Jay 1065.) As for "Save It For Me," the 1968 Edizione D'oro stereo mix found on the Ace CD features a single-tracked Frankie Valli lead vocal. On both the earlier 1964 stereo mix and the mono Philips 45, Frankie's lead vocal is double-tracked. Another interesting thing is the coda on "Save It For Me," where Frankie channels Diane Renay before and into the fadeout. His soaring vocals are comparatively buried in the mono mix and are just a tad less-so if you fold the Edizione D'oro mix to mono. They're more prominent on the 1964 stereo mix, even when folded to mono. That coda, in one form or another, seemed to be a favorite end-of-song device for Bob Crewe, beginning with "Navy Blue," then becoming further refined on both the intro and coda of "Kiss Me, Sailor," and THEN being lifted pretty much intact for "Save It For Me" a few months later. Bo Gentry paid homage to the master in 1969, utilizing the same coda to usher out the ending of Tony Orlando/Wind's "Make Believe" in style. Edited by Yah Shure |
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MMathews
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Posted: 29 August 2012 at 4:31pm |
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Another interesting difference to note about the 1968
stereo mix of "Save It For Me" is the keyboard solo (organ, synth, clavioline, not sure what it is) is different from the 45 or '64 stereo mix. It is much lower key on this one. Yah Shure, thanks for tip about Sherry! didn't now that. You, know, when i discovered 4 Seasons as a kid (coincidentally because my Mother had just got the Edizione D'oro set!) that "soaring coda" as you describe it, was a feature I found incredibly awesome, almost "mystical" sound. And, you can laugh, as a kid i had no concept of "double tracking" - i thought that effect was a magical thing that singers could do with their voice! LOL. MM |
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edtop40
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Posted: 04 July 2014 at 9:40am |
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i go back to my original question regarding 'save it for
me'.....i just compared my vinyl 45 to the mono mix on the 'jersey beat' box set and they sound identical to me......i did convert the stereo version to mono from the 'anthology' cd and that has less reverb on it when converted....but the 'jersey beat' mono version sounds spot on, unless someone can point to the exact spot in the song where the alleged differences are....i contend that the 'jersey beat' box set version is not only the 'mono lp mix' as identified in the db, but also the vinyl 45 version.....in addition the songs length is actually 2:37 NOT 2:35....you'll need to pitch down the 'jersey beat' box set version by 0:02 to get the proper 45 speed and thus length....this 45 run time s/b added to the db... Edited by edtop40 |
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