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Posted: 18 May 2013 at 5:19am

my commercial 45 for the marvin gaye song 'too busy
thinking about my baby' issued as tamla 54181 lists the run
time on the label as 2:57 but actually runs 2:56....you'll
need to pitch up the motown singles box set version (2:54)
(thanks brian)by 0:03 to match the vinyl 45 pitch......even
when that is done the cd version runs 0:04 short, just like
the anthology cd....this song requires a little more
review, as there is something odd going on with the version
that all run approx 2:54-2:55.....also....the intro is
slightly different....the drum reverb part on the vinyl 45
is much more noticeable....this 45 run time should added to
the db....

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Posted: 19 May 2013 at 11:27am

Yes, Ed is correct... his 45 has about a five second longer fade than the mono version on "Complete Mowtown Singles." Ed's 45 seems to run faster, too, presuming his turntable runs at the correct speed. If you slow Ed's 45 down to match the speed of the version on "Complete Motown," then Ed's 45 would actually run almost a full three minutes, 2:59 and just a hair under 3:00.

The final line on "Complete Motown" is "'Cause she's always on my..." end of song.

Ed's 45 goes, "'Cause she's always on my mind, whooo...." and then the background vocals go on for a second or two before the end of the fade.

Can someone check perhaps Marvin Gaye "Anthology" or "The Master"? I know "Anthology" was mastered by Bill Inglot, who almost always uses the correct singles masters.

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Posted: 19 May 2013 at 11:37am

Yeah, Ed's single is a different mix than what's on "Complete Motown." In addition to the length and speed differences, at five seconds into the song, between "Listen to me people" and "I ain't got time," there's an orchestral flourish. It is very loud and pronounced on the 45, and very subdued and in the background on the "Complete Motown" mono mix.

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Posted: 19 May 2013 at 12:30pm

brian, the anthology cd has the same issue....if you pitch
it up to match the vinyl 45, it runs short....also...the
drum taps on the intro are much louder on the vinyl 45
than the mono cd versions..

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Posted: 20 May 2013 at 12:25pm

Can anyone who owns the 45 check their copy? I'm wondering if all 45s or the same or if we have two different 45 versions here. (Something VERY common with Motown singles of the 1960s.)

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Posted: 20 May 2013 at 1:51pm

Brian, my 45 is exactly like Ed's. Listed (2:57), actual (2:56), right down to
the added orchestral flourish and the "whoo" at the end. My deadwax: a
machine stamped, "X4KM-2719-1 B", followed by an upside down,
handwritten "N-S-N-573M07".

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Posted: 20 May 2013 at 4:37pm

guys, my commercial 45 has the exact same markings in the
run-out groove as jim's, no deviation.....

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Posted: 20 May 2013 at 9:05pm

My stock 45 matches Jim's copy; same deadwax details, orchestral flourish and actual (2:56) timing. Sure is a shrill-sounding single, though.

I also have a pre-MCA Motown Yesteryear Series reissue 45 (Y 422F), and while it also has the flourish/longer fade (and doesn't sound nearly as shrill) it runs four seconds slower (3:00 actual) and has a slight-but-noticeable hum prior to the orchestral flourish. Deadwax is all upside-down and hand-etched: "y422f-A CT-3 N-S-N-573MO7" and some other cryptic characters.

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Posted: 08 June 2013 at 8:24am

Guys, I just pulled out my 1969 promo 45 for this song. Just to confirm, both
sides of it exactly match the deadwax info that Ed's, John's and my
commercial copy all have. Therefore, I now consider this to be the song's
"official" 45 mix.

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Posted: 25 September 2020 at 6:59pm

...seven years later...

The following CDs of the mono version all sound the same to my ears:

Motown's 2-CD Anthology (1995)
Motown's 4-CD The Master 1961-1984 (1995) - digitally identical to Anthology
Time-Life's Legends Of Soul Vol. 2 Marvin Gaye (2001) - digitally identical to the above two
Hip-O's Complete Motown Singles Vol. 9 1969 Disc 2 (2008)

The posts above indicate that the true mono 45 doesn't match this mix.

Sounds like a mono tape was mislabeled at some point.

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	my commercial 45 for the marvin gaye song 'too busy thinking about my baby' issued as tamla 54181 lists the run time on the label as 2:57 but actually runs 2:56....you'll need to pitch up the motown singles box set version (2:54) (thanks brian)by 0:03 to match the vinyl 45 pitch......even when that is done the cd version runs 0:04 short, just like the anthology cd....this song requires a little more review, as there is something odd going on with the version that all run approx 2:54-2:55.....also....the intro is slightly different....the drum reverb part on the vinyl 45 is much more noticeable....this 45 run time should added to the db....
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Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2013 at 11:27am
	Yes, Ed is correct... his 45 has about a five second longer fade than the mono version on "Complete Mowtown Singles." Ed's 45 seems to run faster, too, presuming his turntable runs at the correct speed. If you slow Ed's 45 down to match the speed of the version on "Complete Motown," then Ed's 45 would actually run almost a full three minutes, 2:59 and just a hair under 3:00. The final line on "Complete Motown" is "'Cause she's always on my..." end of song. Ed's 45 goes, "'Cause she's always on my mind, whooo...." and then the background vocals go on for a second or two before the end of the fade. Can someone check perhaps Marvin Gaye "Anthology" or "The Master"? I know "Anthology" was mastered by Bill Inglot, who almost always uses the correct singles masters. Edited by Brian W.

Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2013 at 11:37am
	Yeah, Ed's single is a different mix than what's on "Complete Motown." In addition to the length and speed differences, at five seconds into the song, between "Listen to me people" and "I ain't got time," there's an orchestral flourish. It is very loud and pronounced on the 45, and very subdued and in the background on the "Complete Motown" mono mix.

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2013 at 12:30pm
	brian, the anthology cd has the same issue....if you pitch it up to match the vinyl 45, it runs short....also...the drum taps on the intro are much louder on the vinyl 45 than the mono cd versions.. Edited by edtop40
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Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 May 2013 at 12:25pm
	Can anyone who owns the 45 check their copy? I'm wondering if all 45s or the same or if we have two different 45 versions here. (Something VERY common with Motown singles of the 1960s.)

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 May 2013 at 1:51pm
	Brian, my 45 is exactly like Ed's. Listed (2:57), actual (2:56), right down to the added orchestral flourish and the "whoo" at the end. My deadwax: a machine stamped, "X4KM-2719-1 B", followed by an upside down, handwritten "N-S-N-573M07". Edited by jimct

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 May 2013 at 4:37pm
	guys, my commercial 45 has the exact same markings in the run-out groove as jim's, no deviation.....
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	My stock 45 matches Jim's copy; same deadwax details, orchestral flourish and actual (2:56) timing. Sure is a shrill-sounding single, though. I also have a pre-MCA Motown Yesteryear Series reissue 45 (Y 422F), and while it also has the flourish/longer fade (and doesn't sound nearly as shrill) it runs four seconds slower (3:00 actual) and has a slight-but-noticeable hum prior to the orchestral flourish. Deadwax is all upside-down and hand-etched: "y422f-A CT-3 N-S-N-573MO7" and some other cryptic characters.

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 June 2013 at 8:24am
	Guys, I just pulled out my 1969 promo 45 for this song. Just to confirm, both sides of it exactly match the deadwax info that Ed's, John's and my commercial copy all have. Therefore, I now consider this to be the song's "official" 45 mix.

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 September 2020 at 6:59pm
	...seven years later... The following CDs of the mono version all sound the same to my ears: Motown's 2-CD Anthology (1995) Motown's 4-CD The Master 1961-1984 (1995) - digitally identical to Anthology Time-Life's Legends Of Soul Vol. 2 Marvin Gaye (2001) - digitally identical to the above two Hip-O's Complete Motown Singles Vol. 9 1969 Disc 2 (2008) The posts above indicate that the true mono 45 doesn't match this mix. Sounds like a mono tape was mislabeled at some point.
	There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.