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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18 |
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I was listening to The Righteous Brothers' "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling" on their Retrospective 1963-1974 CD (Abkco 9235), which is in mono. From the 2:25-2:45 mark, I do not hear the strings that are prominently featured on the commonly available stereo mix, which I presume is from the stereo vinyl LP. To my ears, the mono mix also contains noticeably less reverb than the stereo mix.
I don't have a commercial 45 copy of "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling" but if it matches what's on the Retrospective 1963-1974 disc, then I would submit that a 45/LP version distinction should be noted between the mono and stereo CD entries. Edited by Todd Ireland |
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 41 |
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I have the song in mono on the Phil Spector/Back To Mono
(1958-1969) collection. I also do not hear strings on my copy either. Seeing that they are both released on the Abkco label I suspect this also may be a 45/LP designation needed. |
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18 |
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I suppose it's possible the strings could be on the mono version but are rendered inaudible as a result of being buried in Phil Spector's "wall of sound". Even so, the background vocals are so much louder on the mono version that it drastically changes the overall sound. And given the difference in reverb between the mono and stereo versions, I'd say this at the very least warrants a 45/LP mix distinction, if not 45/LP version.
I'd be interested in hearing others' opinions on this. Edited by Todd Ireland |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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i would support a "mix" designation on this one. I think the strings are there,
they simply sound different due to the mono/stereo mix difference. |
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TallPaulInKy ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 21 September 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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If you read the various books on Phil Spector you will find
it was the engineer Larry Levine that did the stereo and the LP of Lovin' Feeling without Phil's input. When the song was a hit, Larry mentioned doing an album, and Phil returned with his famous quote to the effect that an album is two hits and ten pieces of junk. Phil didn't have a second hit and wasn't interested so Larry and Bill Medley put the album together. After that Larry and Bill did all the filler tracks on resulting albums. From what I have read Phil only did the mono singles. |
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AdvprosD ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 12 June 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I don't think I've ever heard an original recording of this song that actually sounded good.
Perhaps it's because I don't have any 45 version in my collection. All the copies I have heard on CD so far seem to come from a really noisy needledrop. I took a few minutes to try and listen to where the noise starts. In the first minute or so, maybe around 00:50 there begins a series of soft pops that sort of sound like someone playing with a windscreen on a mic. This continues to occur frequently throughout the song. The more I listen to the noise the more I think it might be noise in the transfer. What I also find interesting, is at the very end when the song is fading out there is another series of muffled crackles that sound like noise reduction over a needle popping in a dirty groove. I haven't taken the time yet to listen to all of the many copies I have but, at least I think I can say that the ones I did listen to had the strings. I don't know if I own the CD that Todd mentioned in the original post. If I happen to find it, I'll also listen for the objectionable noises. It's really a great song! I also remember there were a number of versions that were re-recorded, but those don't have the sound and feel of the "Original version." Was Al Hibber the original for this? Or, was there a number of previous covers before the Righteous Brothers? |
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<Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo!
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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I'm confused. Are you asking about "Unchained Melody"? This thread is about YLTLF. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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Minutia!
Stereo LP mix The oldest CD I have with the song is Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 1 1965 (1987), where it sounds terrible. Likely high-generation source tapes, muddy EQ, and left/right channels are swapped. Avoid. There's a better analog transfer on Warner Special Products/Sessions' 2-CD Senior Prom (1987). A definite improvement over Classic Rock. And then, there's an even better analog transfer on Rhino's Righteous Brothers Anthology 1962-1974 (1989) and Rhino's Billboard Top R&R Hits 1965 (1989), which are digitally identical to each other. Although the database says "sounds like it was mastered from vinyl" for Anthology 1962-1974, I think it's just a noisy source tape. (I welcome second opinions.) But if Anthology 1962-1974 is really from vinyl, then virtually all the later CDs that include the song are also from vinyl, because the same analog transfer is used on:
One outlier that's not based on earlier masterings: EMI Virgin PolyGram's UK 2-CD Now 19 (1991), which narrows the soundstage and fades five or six seconds early; avoid. Mono 45 mix It sounds as good as it will get on Abkco's multi-disc Phil Spector Back To Mono 1958-1969 (1991). I don't have any of the handful of later discs that include the mono version. My recommendations This one is pretty straightforward. For the stereo LP version, go with Rhino's Righteous Brothers Anthology 1962-1974 (1989) if you want a single-artist disc, or Rhino's Billboard Top R&R Hits 1965 (1989) if you want a multi-artist compilation. They have identical 0's and 1's. For the mono 45 mix, I like Abkco's multi-disc Phil Spector Back To Mono 1958-1969 (1991), but I don't have any others to compare. |
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AdvprosD ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 12 June 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Sorry about that, Paul! I was reading until I was dead tired, and in my sleepy state I mis-noted YLTLF as Unchained Melody. You are rightfully confused, but to clear it up, I was meaning YLTLF. So, disregard the Al Hibber part. And as always, Thanks to Ron for the detail. I'm getting a lot done in the basement so I'll be looking for those discs if I have them. Edited by AdvprosD |
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<Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo!
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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Thanks for clarifying, Dave. Now I can stop looking for Al Hibbler's version of "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling." :)
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