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Bwci Bo ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 08 August 2013 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The database states that dj copies of this 45 ran (3:28), while commercial copies were all (4:15).
Can the 3:28 version be created using the 4:15 version and if so, does anyone have the edit points, please? Thanks in advance. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 10 |
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Yes - it's two edits and a very slightly early fade.
I was on a promo-for-jukeboxes service at the time, so I have the LP version on Spotlight On Hits Pop Vol. 10 and the Edit on Hot Hits Pop Vol. 19. I'm confident that these are digital clones of the version from the actual promo CD single. The samples line up throughout, so if I align the edited portions correctly, I get partial cancellation. The Edit is also about 4 dB louder than the LP version, with a different EQ, and seems to have a small amount of compression/limiting/clipping. Here are editing instructions to recreate the Edit, using the LP version on Spotlight On Hits Pop Vol. 10 as the source: Segment 1 Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:06.8 of both the LP version and the Edit Ends on a snare Remove the 16 beats from 0:06.8 to 0:16.2 of the LP version. Segment 2 Begins on a snare Extends from 0:16.2 to 1:55.9 of the LP version Extends from 0:06.8 to 1:46.6 of the Edit Ends before a downbeat, immediately after the last tom tom hit in the drum fill Remove the 56 beats from 1:55.9 to 2:28.3 of the LP version. Segment 3 Begins slightly before the downbeat that starts the word "marry" Extends from 2:28.3 to 4:12.2 of the LP version (shortens LP version by about 6 seconds) Extends from 1:46.6 to 3:30.5 of the Edit Fade Starts about 8 beats before LP version fade starts Begins on a true downbeat Extends from 3:56.1 to 4:12.2 of the LP version Extends from 3:14.5 to 3:30.5 of the Edit Your mixdown will run 3:30.5, with edits at 0:06.8 and 1:46.6. Back when this was current in 1993, we played only the LP version. I didn't even know there was an edited version until about four years ago, when the following actually took place live on the air on Crap From The Past: Some commercial radio friends of mine were in town for a conference, so I brought them all on my show all together. Four other commercial radio heavyweights sitting in on Crap From The Past - quite a treat for me! We played a game called "Hit The Post", where I'd play the intro of some very well-known pop songs, and they'd talk over the song intro (the "ramp", in radio lingo) and stop their talking when the song vocals start (the "post"). This was how songs were introduced on top 40 radio up until about ten years ago. (Listen to some old American Top 40 shows, and you'll hear Casey doing the same thing, except that his vocals were pre-taped and laid over the song after-the-fact.) So my radio friends are having a blast with this. We're taking turns talking up the ramps to songs we know well, like "Walking On Sunshine", "Urgent", and "Love In An Elevator". When it was my friend Brad's turn, he picked "Two Princes". I played the Hot Hits version, which was the Edit, not knowing there even WAS an edit of "Two Princes". Brad was expecting 19 seconds of intro to work with, and was baffled and mortified when the vocals kicked in at 10 seconds! I was even more mortified for accidentally springing the Edit version on him, and apologized profusely for the next minute or two. I'm certain that he can recall the whole incident just as vividly as I can - we never forget the really public mistakes... |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 89 |
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Ron, I've had fun playing that game a few times with other radio buddies :)
The "Edit" version of "Two Princes" was the only version I ever heard my local top 40 station play; however, I was familiar with the longer version, too. I have both promo CD singles for "Two Princes" but the hardest one to find was the 1-track promo that contains only the full album version. I finally found a copy about 6 months ago. The 2-track promo, which has the "Edit" as the lead track, is much more common. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 10 |
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Did the one-track promo with the LP version come out
first? |
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Bwci Bo ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 08 August 2013 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Ron: Love the story... that's gold.
Thanks for the detailed information and editing instructions too. Much appreciated! |
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TomDiehl1 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I never even knew there was an edit of the song. I grew
up with the full length version and also have multiple copies of the 45 (I never even knew a promo 45 existed). |
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