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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Hi Dave/Hey You,
I assume you are asking about "Venus" .... Since I worked on this CD and the the mix, I can help you out. I hear exactly what you mean in the ending segment of the song. They are not "clicks" they way most people think of them, as you say they sound like a background noise accidentally captured by one of the mics during recording - like drum sticks dropping or the sound of a chair moving (this is a common issue with studio recording engineers, especially with drummers who move a lot while playing...the mics can pick up their movements in a noisy chair). Anyway, we consulted and decided to leave the sound in the mix because it is part of the mono master. And, taking that sound out might have damaged the sound quality of the audio - so our answer was: leave it alone. RE: Feels So Good - yes our CD has the correct 45 version with correct speed and fade. Hope this info helps. -Mark M |
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AdvprosD ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 12 June 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Thanks Mark!
Yes, "Venus" was her name, Wahhh! Wasn't that band of Dutch origins? I'm trying hard to remember. (I'm also thinking Candy Dulfer and Average White Band.) I feel better now knowing that when I do find that disc, I will hear the familiar clicks. (Even though I wish they weren't there.) As for the Chuck Mangione song, I think I will have to dig out the LP or see if I have it on a GoldDisc for that long album version. <Dave> |
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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Dave,
Yes the Shocking Blue are Dutch. The song was written by band member Robbie Van Leeuwen. Mariska Veres was the lead singer and she didn't speak a word of English ... you can hear her singing the English phonetically so some words are a little "off" .... Sadly we lost Mariska in 2006. When I was a kid and played this 45 to death, I thought it was a guy singing because her voice was so low and rough sounding. When I was 16 I acquired the Colossus album and when I saw her picture I almost fainted...she was gorgeous! But of course I was disappointed that the title cut was in mono. I've wanted that song in stereo all my life. To finally achieve a mix I liked, it took 4 engineers working together to create the stereo mix on our CD. It was a dream come true. And bless you Mariska, wherever you are now :-) BTW, Robbie based most of the backing music on this 1963 folk song by The Big Three (an early folk group that Cass Elliot was in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iodQbGZs64o You will hear "shocking" similarities between this and the basic chords of "Venus"....right down to the "WOW" scream. Enjoy MM |
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LunarLaugh ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 February 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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I really love their song "Never Marry A Railroad Man". Its a shame that they didn't achieve another big hit here in the US. |
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Bellenger1981 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 July 2019 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I have a question regarding "Words" by F.R. David on this
CD. What is the source for this track? I think that I hear a few pops/clicks in this track, but maybe those are on the master. Also, the version on this CD sounds slightly different than the versions of the song that I have on an import F.R. compilation, "Référence 80": https://www.discogs.com/release/ 3027532-FR-David-Référence-80 I assume that the version of "Words" on "Hard to Find 45s - Vol. 18" is naturally the U.S. 45 version, which actually came out about a year later than in Europe. Is it a slightly different mix, EQ, or does it just run at a different speed? To me, the version on this CD sounds like it runs faster. However, my ears are having trouble telling the difference. Thank you. Edited by Bellenger1981 |
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Jason Bellenger
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mjb50 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 28 April 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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The version of "Words" on Hard To Find 45s vol. 18 is the original international hit version as released in 1982 on the Words album and as a single.
Well, almost. It is running 0.15% faster than previous digital releases, and if the copy I found (just to check this for you) is legit, then for some reason, the last 7 seconds have been replaced with a lossy-source copy with dither added! The two versions on Référence 80 are not quite what was released in 1982. Those are previously unreleased versions which debuted on that compilation in 2011 and are also on the 2020 Words & Melodies 5-CD set. Comparing the Words & Melodies masterings with the circa 1990 German CD of the Words album... The 1982 released version on the c. 1990 CD is 123.7 BPM and runs 3:26, with the fade beginning at 3:15. On the Words & Melodies remaster, the fade goes for another ¼-second, and it's phase-inverted and louder, to the point of introducing a few moments of minor clipping. The "Original Full Mix" runs 3:37.8, and doesn't fade out as early, so you hear about 11 more seconds of music at the very end. Despite running at tempo 0.35% faster than the hit version (124.0 BPM), the pitch of everything in it is 2.85% (half a semitone) lower! This is total speculation, but I am guessing they were using an Eventide Harmonizer to mess with the pitch, and they were maybe also playing with the tempo of the synth & drum sequencer. Similar shenanigans are at play in the "Original Speed Mix", which runs 3:42.9, and is the structurally the same as the Original Full Mix, including the fade. Its tempo (121.1 BPM) is about 2.48% slower than that mix, though, and yet, it's at the exact same pitch! So you can't really make the hit version from those two "original" mixes. Edited by mjb50 |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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For "Words", it seems that Hard To Find 45s On CD Vol. 18 (2018) uses the same analog transfer as a European 8-CD box on Disky called Greatest Hits Of The '80s (2002), but sped up by 0.4% and with the ending replaced by one with a longer fade.
This is the listing on Discogs for that Disky set. Disky is a reputable Dutch label, which put out a bunch of very good 8-CD sets that (unfortunately) all have similar titles. Edited by crapfromthepast |
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There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.
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Bellenger1981 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 July 2019 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Wow. Thank you both for the wealth of information! That
explains why I am hearing such differences. |
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Jason Bellenger
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whyaduck ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 10 March 2016 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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thanks
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