Fortunes - "You’ve Got Your Troubles"

If you could just get the timing information on both sides that should be sufficient. I assume the cold horn ending is the LP version ending that you are referring to.

Unfortunately, my friend Mike M. had already sold that promo 45 test pressing before he could furnish me with its timings. But I can at least report that my commercial 45, which is mono, features the faded ending, has a listed time of (3:00), but an actual time of (3:06).

John, Press typically had both Monarch and Columbia pressings during the mid-'60s. Your copy appears to be from Monarch, as indicated by the delta (triangle) number. I wonder if Jim might have a Columbia pressing.

On my original Press mono LP, the track's length is (3:22). Matching the fade points from your slower-pitched 45, it times out to (3:07).

Edited by Yah Shure

Steve, I appreciate your orange label promo info - I don't own one. I, too, had also never before (or since) seen a white-label promo from the London/Associated family of labels; they were always orange. The promo 45 I saw/tried later to buy had just a plain white label, on both sides, with no label design/print on it at all. All of the title/artist details appeared to be "rubber-stamped" onto both sides of the two blank white labels. My friend Mike is finally about to publish a long-anticipated book, called "Teenbeat Mayhem". He is the #1 most thorough music researcher I have ever known, and I know dozens. If it was a boot/import, #1, he would immediately have picked up on that. Deadwax, pressing plants, he knows it all. #2, it was styrene, making its existance as an import unlikely. My main reason for "believing" in the legitimacy of the U.S. promo I saw is the fact that I heard about a 50/50 split of the short/long versions on my AM radio back in 1965. This always perplexed me when I was a kid. How common was it, for AM radio back then, to reject a 45 version of a hit, and instead decide to pull out a Fortunes LP to play, just to feature the full horn ending? Besides, my best research regarding this Fortunes self-titled, non-BB-charting 1965 debut LP indicates that the album may not yet have even been released stateside until December of '65; whereas the single was already peaking in the U.S. by early October. My point: radio likely didn't even have an LP (with the long version) in their possession when the song was a current hit, yet I heard it. What could they have possibly played it off of then, if the only U.S. promo 45 had the fade, excepting for a possible UK import LP copy? Hence, my belief that a long/short promo 45 of the song legitimately existed in 1965 continues. That, combined with the fact that I've both seen it and held it in my hand! That faded 45 version, at just :15 seconds shorter than the full, cold end version, was/is truly a train wreck, to my ears. Besides, in later years, us receiving similarly-rubber-stamped white label promo 45s to the station was not really all that uncommon. When I saw this 45, I was on the air, doing a hectic request show. Mike had left the studio and gone home before that show ended, or I would've made complete notes as to that promo's details. Just wasn't meant to be, I guess.....

Edited by jimct

Tom, thanks for your clarification. I painted my "all-London-promo-45s-had-orange-labels" statement with too broad a brush. Allow me to be more specific. The London "exclusive-orange-promo-45-label" era coincided with their stock 45 label design change, from "white-with-purple-circles" to "different-shades-of-blue-swirl", in the early months of 1965. To your point, it was absolutely mindboggling to note how many subsidiary label 45s that London pressed/issued during both 1963 & 1964, including those "Round Robin" singles you speak of, Tom. (For example, even the earliest Joe Tex singles on Dial were distributed by London!) And yes, many of those assorted promo & stock copies both appeared on plain white 45 labels; I do own dozens myself. A small "Promotion Only" label statement was usually the only way to distinguish between the promo/stock copies. And yes, I have also seen white label stock copies called promos, in error. So, please allow me to tighten up/synch the orange-label-promo-years with the "different shades of blue swirl" years, from sometime in 1965, until approximately 1976.