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995wlol ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 10 December 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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I got my first CD player for high school graduation in
1994, but didn't take long for me to realize that many of the CD albums I was buying lacked the "correct" version of the songs I heard on the radio during the 80s. This started my pursuit of greatest hits and VA compilations to find those elusive "hit" versions. It wasn't long before I bought a turntable so I could at least listen to those versions on vinyl that I couldn't find on CD. Of course, this wasn't as convenient as CD. Not to mention I couldn't mix in those 45s the way I could program CDs on my 5-disc changer. Things started to change in the late 90s when I began ripping CDs and converting vinyl to MP3 on my PC, which I hooked up to my stereo. Finally, I could have all of my music available in a single "jukebox". Even so, I was working with a low quality turntable, so having a song on CD was still preferable to vinyl in most cases. However, over the last 20+ years, between upgrading my vinyl setup, the introduction of easy-to-use noise- removal software, and upgrading my files to FLAC, the majority of my needle drops now meet (or sometimes exceed) the quality my CDs. I've actually replaced many brickwalled and digitally-futz-with CD versions with vinyl transfers. While it's still nice to discover a well-mastered 45 version on CD, it just isn't as important to me as it once was if there's a quality vinyl option available. Wondering if anyone else has followed a similar path over time? |
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mjb50 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 28 April 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 32 |
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Yes, absolutely, when you find you have 5, 10, or 25 copies of the same song on various releases, you can't help but start comparing them, and you gain an appreciation for how much work goes into the transfers and mastering, and how "sound quality" is about more than just the technical capabilities of the format. A good vinyl mastering, transferred well, with very judicious use of noise reduction, can easily outperform a crappy CD mastering, despite CD being the more technically capable format. That said, most of the time, I either prefer CD, or it's toss-up.
When processing my own vinyl transfers, I am always trying not to idealize things too much. There's a balance to be struck between the raw needledrop (which include peculiarities of your playback system), and what we think it was supposed to sound like as a record (undoing some of those changes), what it was supposed to sound like on master tapes (mitigating some changes made in the vinyl mastering process), and just whatever we think sounds good today vs. in the past. It's very easy to overdo it! Edited by mjb50 |
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Yah Shure ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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That path is pretty well worn! I do a weekly show on what was once one of the Storz top-40 stations, and among its features is a top 20 countdown based on one of the station's original record surveys from the '60s and '70s. One of the major selling points of the show is playing as much original vinyl as possible, and my goal is to have each song sound just as it did when it was originally a hit on the station.
There have been many instances where I've gone with a vinyl dub over a CD option, either because it's truer to (or is) the original mono mix or it just plain sounds better. The opposite also does happen, when it's abundantly clear that the CD came from a lower generation source, but that's still the exception, rather than the rule. Pointing out album vs. single differences, as we do here on the board, has also sharpened listeners' ears, as noted by this Facebook poster after I played the mono vinyl (okay, styrene) 45 on the show: I've heard "Like A Rolling Stone" a million times, but as we listened to the show in our hot tub via my phone and a Bluetooth speaker, I couldn't believe how loud the tambourine was. I don't think I even noticed tambourine on the recording before! Just listened on the same speaker to the YouTube official audio... tambourine is there, but doesn't leap out at you. Strange! It's amazing what you can coax out of those grooves sometimes. Not even the same song from the original mono Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits LP made the tambourine "pop" like the 45 did. |
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LunarLaugh ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 February 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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It all gets into balancing nostalgia and authenticity with quality and technology.
Older popular recordings, particularly those made in the 1960s, were typically made with only the limitations of vinyl in mind. Singles were mixed to sound good on transistor radios just as today's singles are mixed to sound good on air pods and Amazon Echo units. I don't think there is any right or wrong answer across the board. Vinyl has its drawbacks to be reckoned with (eg. surface noise, groove wear, distortion, sibilance, off-center pressings) while digital tends to be more plug-and-play friendly. I personally have a decently sized vinyl collection alongside a huge CD collection. That's because I was never all in on digital downloads or streaming. |
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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Good points Lunar.
I embraced CDs when they came out, though I waited until they were well-established ('87-88 or so) to do so and never went all-in replacing perfectly good vinyl just for the sake of replacing it. Likewise digital downloads for current releases...I had a newmusicserver.com account when I was still working in radio, though it has since lapsed. I've digitized much of my collection, and find it way more convenient. The one thing I don't have much interest in is streaming. Other than occasionally listening to a non-local radio station I just don't see the appeal. I can put together my own mixes that (1) sound better and (2) are just songs I like. I really don't get the Great Vinyl Revival™, other than nostalgia for some of us older guys (I'm 72) I don't see any upside to it. I've thinned out my LP collection by about 40% over the last few years. Not ready to part with any of my 45s though. |
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995wlol ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 10 December 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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Great feedback from everyone! One thing I'll add to my original sentiments: even back when I was still all-in on getting as much music as possible on CD, the one genre I always preferred on vinyl were 12" mixes. Maybe it was the fact that vinyl remained the primary format for club DJs well into the CD era, or the fact that many of those 12 inchers just sounded so good, but vinyl always seemed like the "right" format for that style of music.
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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I didn't start collecting vinyl 45's again until 2007
when I discovered an internet interview with Jim Abbott (RIP) who was a vital part of this forum for many years. That interview made me realize that many songs I had in my library were LP versions vs. 45 versions and I wanted to replace them with 45 versions which led me here. I bought a Technics 1200 turntable (after a short run with an Audio- Technica turntable) and began to dub 45's which weren't available digitally. Since then, I've recreated many 45 versions and discovered through the database which CD's have 45 versions. I also discovered Qobuz which allows me to purchase lossless files. I've shifted more away from vinyl and look for 45 versions digitally these days, purchasing a CD only if it's not available to purchase on Qobuz. |
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AutumnAarilyn ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 22 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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I've never run out of cds to buy as I also like jazz.
I never liked albums on vinyl but singles (45's) were okay but many were styrene. There was a big quality difference between the better sounding Warner 45's and RCA's 45's. RCA's labels even turned white. I also collect some gray market stuff on cd (live jazz concerts, vinyl masterpiece compilations, etc.) I dropped a grand just to get a couple Madonna single versions on that Japanese box set. The tough part was finding a US seller so I didn't have to pay customs in addition to already paid sales tax. Cds in various forms (3", standard 5"), box sets, singles various artist compilations, gray market, high quality bootleg all abound in my collection. I started 27 years ago and don't have any regrets. Now I'm building a barn dominium to put them in and buying small collections to resell focusing on cd with vinyl is clean and cheap. Edited by AutumnAarilyn |
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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But not all styrene sounded bad, nor did all vinyl sound good. Most labels used regional pressing plants, and quality of pressings could vary considerably from one plant to another. |
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NightAire ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 20 February 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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My understanding was that styrene sounded OK... for ONE playing.
By the second playing, they started deteriorating, as I understand. Those with more first-hand experience will clarify if I am wrong. |
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