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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 140 |
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Is the original 2-track master tape lost? All of the CDs Ron lists above with the original '67 stereo mix sound like a mediocre vinyl transfer with plenty of groove distortion. Many years ago, someone pointed me to the Bang Masters CD but never pointed out that it's a remix. I've used that as my go-to version ever since, and I don't plan on going back to the '67 stereo version unless someone knows a good sounding source for it.
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LunarLaugh ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 February 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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It's possible that the original stereo mixes have
deteriorated. This seems to be common with several 1960s artist catalogs that Sony controls. Simon & Garfunkel, Bob Dylan and The Byrds are just a couple that have had selected works of their output subtly given the remix treatment. Edited by LunarLaugh |
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LunarLaugh ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 February 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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AndrewChouffi ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 11 |
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Regarding the Mark Wilder remix first released on the
Amy Herot produced ‘Bang Masters’ CD: You can tell the difference as the original stereo mix has high-volume nasal male Sha-la-las in the phantom center channel at about 2:40. The original mono mix has low-level nasal male Sha-la- las at approx. 2:40 buried by the predominately female Sha-la-la chorus vocals. The Wilder remix has mid-level nasal male Sha-la-las at 2:40-ish with the predominately female Sha-la-la chorus vox in the right-channel more audible than the original stereo mix. I know this is a weird description but it’s the best way for me to describe the differences between the 3 versions… I remember I was working with Bob Irwin on a Sundazed project when he gave me “insider information” that he was working with Amy Herot & Mark Wilder on a Bang material Van Morrison multi-track project. I played “Brown Eyed Girl” at just about every mobile gig I booked and I always played the stereo version, even though I hated the loud nasal Sha-la-las of the stereo mix. I remember asking Bob if he could goose the project leaders to mix it more like the 45, but with the stereo placement of the LP mix. I was reasonably happy with the result; I think they took a nice middle-ground approach. Andy |
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Bounder's Bay ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 02 July 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The 3CD release The Authorized Bang Collection from
2017 has the "original stereo mix" and the "original edited mono single mix" as the lead tracks on the first and second discs, respectively. (Unfortunately, no unedited mono version included.) This set was compiled by Andrew Sandoval and mastered by Vic Anesini. |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 140 |
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Thanks for the tip! How's the sound quality on "Brown Eyed Girl"?
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 140 |
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I just downloaded it from Qobuz, and the quality is excellent. It's definitely from tape source on this disc. The levels are a bit lower that expected, reminiscent of a late '80s CD with plenty of headroom.
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PopArchivist ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 June 2018 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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So doing my 1967 assembly this is a gem of a song, it should have done much better back then on the charts. Great song of course, a classic and one of my favorites.
I went to the Prof on youtube and of course at 2:20 the mono 45 has the lyrics "making love in the green grass" as confirmed by Hykker. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6KzkJ5L2j0 Is it possible to just fold down the stereo LP with the making love in the green grass lyrics to make the 45 version of the mono unedited and then download the two files from the 3CD release The Authorized Bang Collection to have the stereo and the mono edited mix for completeness? Listening I hear nothing unique about the mono 45 at all as compared to the stereo. Edited by PopArchivist |
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Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD."
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AndrewChouffi ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 11 |
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The mixes may be close for most of the tune, but the ending mixing is quite different as documented in my above older post from July 2021. Edited by AndrewChouffi |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43 |
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Revisiting my post from above...
I can confirm that the Best Of from my original post was the 1998 reissue, not the original 1990 release. The 1998 reissue is a digital clone (about 3 dB louder) of the CD Bang Masters (1991), which was remixed by Mark Wilder. The Sony, Realm, and Time-Life discs I listed above are all differently-EQ'd digital clones of Bang Masters (1991). In addition to the sha-la-las-at-2:40 difference that Andrew noted above, the fade on the Mark Wilder remix starts much earlier than the 1967 stereo mix. The end of the fade stops about one beat before the 1967 stereo mix. So to tally up, I count four versions of the song:
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