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"Weve Only Just Begun" - Carpenters |
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PopArchivist ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 June 2018 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 21 |
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A Carpenter thread (a rarity around here). If I remember reading at some point those original versions are in people's collections, Richard has tinkered with them so much that often I think these shows don't know the difference. I doubt this was the original 1970 version. Though if you can point to a clip, maybe crapfromthepast can answer your question he is our resident 1970 expert here... |
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Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD."
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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I was under the impression that many of the rerun AT40s had had the original vinyl dubs of the songs replaced with CD rips. ISTR reading some discussion of this on one of the music boards. Not sure why someone would feel the need to do this...it's not like used the same beat up, cueburnt 45 as some of their affiliates... |
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Scanner ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I think you answered my question, Hykker. Sirius must
have been sourcing the music themselves for this particular show. The Carpenters were preceded on the countdown by the Supremes' "Stoned Love" and featured Kasem's intro to the song after the song's cold opening. Although I only discovered AT40 in the late 70's, I don't recall Kasem talking over or after songs that started with cold openings like "Stoned Love." Sirius must alternate how it sources the music for AT40. Last summer, I was listening to a 1978 countdown for the week that "Boogie Oogie Oogie" debuted. The show played a version of the song with the second verse and chorus edited out which, as I mentioned before, Kasem often did which made me expect the 1970 would be more "authentic." Then again, it's amazing that a 50+ year old radio program is still available in any form! I assume AT40 always provided the music for its shows as not all songs would have been on a station's playlist or library when aired. |
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 31 |
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I just listened to the segment in question from the original 1970 recording of the show and the piano flourish is
not there and it sounds like the original 1970 version to me. As has been mentioned, Premier has been known to replace recordings for the current radio rebroadcasts. Which is why I highly recommend that people seek out the originals provided by Shannon Lynn. |
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Scanner ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Thanks, Paul. I never realized I could learn so much about
AT40 just because of a piano flourish! :-) BTW - I always thought this embellishment to "Begun" was unnecessary. Richard's constant tinkering of Carpenters' music over the decades has always been frustrating dating back to "The Singles 1969-1973" and how the songs segued into one another on Side 1. I never thought it would take 40+ years before a compilation, thanks to PBS, of their singles in their original state would finally be released. |
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eric_a ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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In general, the show has always been delivered to affiliates as intact segments - first on reel-to-reel tape, then eventually on vinyl, CD, and digitally. That's why we're lucky enough to have such a complete record of 50+ years of archives. If you're curious about specific songs, you might check out the AT40 fan boards on Facebook. Shannon Lynn frequents the discussions and speaks to specific choices, which ones started with his remasters vs. down the chain at Premiere or Sirius. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 39 |
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That's exactly right.
The reel-to-reel period was very brief - from the show's origin in July 1970 until late 1971. The vinyl LPs lasted until the end of the prime AT40 years, until the late '80s at least. The show was in mono until about 1973, then stereo thereafter. The show began embedding national ads in 1982, when ABC acquired Watermark. In general, the producers at AT40 selected which version of the song to use (commercial 45, promo 45, LP, in-house edit) based primarily on timing. They had to make the segments for each hour work out to exactly 60 minutes. |
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There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 50 |
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I can't think of the gentleman's name at this point, but
may of the earlier AT40 70's shows that air on Sirius have mono2stereo conversion done by this gentleman. |
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 50 |
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*many of the earlier
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AndrewChouffi ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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To John:
Ken Martin is the man credited with mono-to-stereo conversion. Andy |
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